Buhan Downgrade - Dragon Ball

[AguilaR202]

It’s low 2-C minimum because he is breaking down walls separating different space times from the living universe, 2-C at max because every other time a portal was made the spacetimes didn’t slip on their own into the universe.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Imma just put this here.

The Outside Space is the anime version of the Vice Shout; Buu ripped through a hole through the boundary separating the Room of Spirit and Time and Earth, allowing him to escape after Piccolo destroyed the door, which is the natural entrance and exit.

Buuhan was not threatening to destroy anything by himself with this technique. Rather, his plan was to:

1. Warp and twist space and rip through the wall between dimensions once more
2. Open up the doors for random alternate dimensions to just enter and mingle with his own reality
3. Stand by while these alternate dimensions crushed the Living Universe

Nothing in the original anime ever mentioned Buuhan creating some kind of space like the Daizenshuu excerpt might lead you to believe, nor does it mention his power engulfing the universe or anything like that. He just opened up a bunch of portals.

All he is doing is opening up portals.

 

[Jaakor48]

Imma just put this here.

He did more than that tho, clouds were basically turning solid and the entire area changed colour, it was defs more than portals

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Imma just put this here.

It just looks like the Living Realm getting warped I don’t see any portals and they don’t even look like portals it seems to be exactly how the daizenshuu explained it Buu’s attack covered the living universe and would destroy the universe as the universe breaking down from the other dimensions in the macrocosm is coming from Buu destroying the living world until Vegito stops him

 

[pineappleman]

It really doesn't. There is no macrocosm in the Daizenshuu, it's just "the world of Dragon Ball".

異次元空間☆【系】能力【人】魔人ブウ (悪)【特】ベジットに圧倒され、逆上したブウがが発生させた。ブゥの周囲の空間が歪み、出現する。ブウが精神と時の部屋から脱出できたのもこの力のせいらしい。この空間がこの世をおおうと宇宙が消滅する。 (Daizenshuu 7 [1996] pg.127)

Another dimensional space ☆ [System] Ability [People] Majin Buu (Evil) [Special] Overwhelmed by Vegetto, Buu went into a frenzy/rage. This caused distortions to appear in the space around him. It seems that it is because of this power that Buu was able to escape from the Room of Spirit and Time. This space would engulf the Living World, and would annihilate the Universe.

A clear distinction is made. They are not the same. One refers to the Living World, the other the verse

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Having said these arguments, I strongly disagree with the downgrade, there seems to be a misunderstanding here.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

異次元空間☆【系】能力【人】魔人ブウ (悪)【特】ベジットに圧倒され、逆上したブウがが発生させた。ブゥの周囲の空間が歪み、出現する。ブウが精神と時の部屋から脱出できたのもこの力のせいらしい。この空間がこの世をおおうと宇宙が消滅する。 (Daizenshuu 7 [1996] pg.127)

Another dimensional space ☆ [System] Ability [People] Majin Buu (Evil) [Special] Overwhelmed by Vegetto, Buu went into a frenzy/rage. This caused distortions to appear in the space around him. It seems that it is because of this power that Buu was able to escape from the Room of Spirit and Time. This space would engulf the Living World, and would annihilate the Universe.

A clear distinction is made. They are not the same. One refers to the Living World, the other the verse

Unquantifiable normally, around 4-B in Dragon Ball (via Super Buu... Which he already scales above)

Maybe High 3-A? Standards are weird around these parts.

Neutral for now.

I'll switch to neutral and wait for other staff members to comment.

What do you think about it now?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I'm neutral overall.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I’m confused if the staff are neutral about it only being the Living World or neutral about it scaling to AP because the scan makes it quite clear Buu’s attack engulfing the living world is the reason the chain reaction happened and with the anime statements

異次元空間☆【系】能力【人】魔人ブウ (悪)【特】ベジットに圧倒され、逆上したブウがが発生させた。ブゥの周囲の空間が歪み、出現する。ブウが精神と時の部屋から脱出できたのもこの力のせいらしい。この空間がこの世をおおうと宇宙が消滅する。 (Daizenshuu 7 [1996] pg.127)

Another dimensional space ☆ [System] Ability [People] Majin Buu (Evil) [Special] Overwhelmed by Vegetto, Buu went into a frenzy/rage. This caused distortions to appear in the space around him. It seems that it is because of this power that Buu was able to escape from the Room of Spirit and Time. This space would engulf the Living World, and would annihilate the Universe.

A clear distinction is made. They are not the same. One refers to the Living World, the other the verse

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I’m confused if the staff are neutral about it only being the Living World or neutral about it scaling to AP

This in my case.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

This in my case.

Ah okay that makes a lot more sense

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This space would engulf the Living World, and would annihilate the Universe.

An attack can cover Texas and only destroy Dallas.

You are right, though (look at that), the Living World is not the Universe. The Living World is the Universe and the Demon Realm.

 

[Jaakor48]

If Buu messed with the dimensional border of the living world, it would still affect the afterlife, since the barrier separating them would be weakend and might cause them to bleed onto each other, it makes sense that it would threaten the entire structure.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

An attack can cover Texas and only destroy Dallas.

You are right, though (look at that), the Living World is not the Universe. The Living World is the Universe and the Demon Realm.

What? The Universe consists of the living world the afterlife and the kaioshin realm the living world is just the one that’s based off the real world along with the demon realm

 

[AguilaR202]

Why is this even an argument?

If the guide wanted to tell you only the living world would be destroyed then it would be worded differently, ie this space would cover the living world and destroy it, the way universe is used in that sentence is clearly referring to the larger macrocosm as a whole.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, this is not obviously working. I'm going to cobble together every piece of evidence for my counterargument and put it towards a single post
(in the SPOILER box down below) so that nobody gets confused and nobody has to, God forbid, backtrack, okay?

Spoiler

Things to take away from this:

1. Dende directly referenced the Vice Shout that Majin Buu used to open a rift in the Room of Spirit and Time and escape before describing the mechanics of the Outside Space, establishing a common ground between the two techniques—creating portals.
2. Dende explicitly stated that the Outside Space technique consisted of Majin Buu's power swelling and warping space, causing the "wall between dimensions", which is what separates the Room of Spirit and Time from the real world, to break down, opening up rifts to alternate dimensions. In the process, said alternate dimensions would begin to rush through the rifts and into the universe.
3. Vegito explicitly states that if Majin Buu was allowed to continue his attack, then the alternate dimensions that Dende previously mentioned as entering into the universe through cracks in the "wall between dimensions" would ultimately crush the universe.
4. Rifts in space are explicitly shown to emerge from Majin Buu's technique, as bolts of lightning from his aura crash into the stormy sky and break open the clouds, revealing strange, blue, swirling lights—the alternate dimensions; later, after Vegito manages to floor Buu, the pods of swirling lights disappear, further reinforcing the idea that said pods were rifts to alternate dimensions, as Dende and Vegito suggested.

The tl;dr is: Majin Buu's Outside Space warps and distorts space, tearing down the wall between dimensions, and opens up spatial rifts, allowing unknown, alternate dimensions to begin flooding the universe, ultimately crushing everything inside. The alternate dimensions are doing all of the heavy lifting in this ordeal, and Majin Buu is merely inviting the dimensions inside. And if the above clip, in its entirety, is not enough, the recapping narration in the following episode clarifies that the only thing Majin Buu did was "[destroy] the wall between dimensions", which is how he intended to crush the universe. Stop treating the Daizenshuu 7 as though its (Caramel Mama's) text is irrefutable fact and infinitely superior to the dialogue presented in the original TV anime. Majin Buu never created a space that engulfed the Living World, the only thing he did was force open spatial rifts, which was a feat achieved effortlessly by Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. This is the information presented by the TV anime, and that is that.

The Daizenshuu 7 presents a contradiction. Therefore, its text is disregarded in this case.

Majin Buu has zero grounds for scaling to the potential aftermath of the Outside Space through sheer power, as the High 3-A (space is exclusively described as the scope of affect and destruction) result is derived exclusively from the combined "weight" of the alternate dimensions that Dende and Vegito mentioned. If there is any possible way to determine the Destructive Capacity or the Attack Potency that would be required to break down the "wall between dimensions" and open up spatial rifts, Buu would have a case, but as the matter stands, this is bogus.

Disagree.

 

[pineappleman]

Okay, this is not obviously working. I'm going to cobble together every piece of evidence for my counterargument and put it towards a single post
(in the SPOILER box down below) so that nobody gets confused and nobody has to, God forbid, backtrack, okay?

Spoiler

Things to take away from this:

1. Dende directly referenced the Vice Shout that Majin Buu used to open a rift in the Room of Spirit and Time and escape before describing the mechanics of the Outside Space, establishing a common ground between the two techniques—creating portals.
2. Dende explicitly stated that the Outside Space technique consisted of Majin Buu's power swelling and warping space, causing the "wall between dimensions", which is what separates the Room of Spirit and Time from the real world, to break down, opening up rifts to alternate dimensions. In the process, said alternate dimensions would begin to rush through the rifts and into the universe.
3. Vegito explicitly states that if Majin Buu was allowed to continue his attack, then the alternate dimensions that Dende previously mentioned as entering into the universe through cracks in the "wall between dimensions" would ultimately crush the universe.
4. Rifts in space are explicitly shown to emerge from Majin Buu's technique, as bolts of lightning from his aura crash into the stormy sky and break open the clouds, revealing strange, blue, swirling lights—the alternate dimensions; later, after Vegito manages to floor Buu, the pods of swirling lights disappear, further reinforcing the idea that said pods were rifts to alternate dimensions, as Dende and Vegito suggested.

The tl;dr is: Majin Buu's Outside Space warps and distorts space, tearing down the wall between dimensions, and opens up spatial rifts, allowing unknown, alternate dimensions to begin flooding the universe, ultimately crushing everything inside. The alternate dimensions are doing all of the heavy lifting in this ordeal, and Majin Buu is merely inviting the dimensions inside. And if the above clip, in its entirety, is not enough, the recapping narration in the following episode clarifies that the only thing Majin Buu did was "[destroy] the wall between dimensions", which is how he intended to crush the universe. Stop treating the Daizenshuu 7 as though its (Caramel Mama's) text is irrefutable fact and infinitely superior to the dialogue presented in the original TV anime. Majin Buu never created a space that engulfed the Living World, the only thing he did was force open spatial rifts, which was a feat achieved effortlessly by Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. This is the information presented by the TV anime, and that is that.

The Daizenshuu 7 presents a contradiction. Therefore, its text is disregarded in this case.

Majin Buu has zero grounds for scaling to the potential aftermath of the Outside Space through sheer power, as the High 3-A (space is exclusively described as the scope of affect and destruction) result is derived exclusively from the combined "weight" of the alternate dimensions that Dende and Vegito mentioned. If there is any possible way to determine the Destructive Capacity or the Attack Potency that would be required to break down the "wall between dimensions" and open up spatial rifts, Buu would have a case, but as the matter stands, this is bogus.

Disagree.

I'll do a full rebuttal when I have the time, probably tomorrow since it's 2AM for me now.

 

[Tyri456]

people really say disagree without posting a single evidence, for beerus we have the old kaio saying his realm would be destroyed, for omega we have the same, that’s why they are 2C, there is absolutely nothing suggesting buhan would destroy the after life and other realms.The word universe and think it’s the whole cosmology it’s not the case, given what videl stated is also insied the dainzeshu.
In the anime the after life or the kaio realm Where never threatened By buhan, just the living world.

 

[Tyri456]

Ngl this crt makes me realize that Buuhan should scale to Low 2-C for his AP by causing the 2-C chain reaction by covering the living world and then eventually destroy the universe might do that after this lol

covering the living world with the space warp is not a low 2C feat, a low 2C feat is destroying past present and future of a timeline, and you really think buhan covering the space of the living universe is low 2c, make absolutely no sense.

 

[Tyri456]

Majin Buu has zero grounds for scaling to the potential aftermath of the Outside Space through sheer power, as the High 3-A (space is exclusively described as the scope of affect and destruction) result is derived exclusively from the combined "weight" of the alternate dimensions that Dende and Vegito mentioned. If there is any possible way to determine the Destructive Capacity or the Attack Potency that would be required to break down the "wall between dimensions" and open up spatial rifts, Buu would have a case, but as the matter stands, this is bogus.

I actually kinda agree with you, buhan was just opening a portal allowing another dimension to enter and destroying the living world. That’s what happening.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

"Covering" the living world is just Range by itself.

 

[Tyri456]

the whole cosmology is also called “the world of dragonball”. The universe being the under part.

異次元空間☆【系】能力【人】魔人ブウ (悪)【特】ベジットに圧倒され、逆上したブウがが発生させた。ブゥの周囲の空間が歪み、出現する。ブウが精神と時の部屋から脱出できたのもこの力のせいらしい。この空間がこの世をおおうと宇宙が消滅する。 (Daizenshuu 7 [1996] pg.127)

Another dimensional space ☆ [System] Ability [People] Majin Buu (Evil) [Special] Overwhelmed by Vegetto, Buu went into a frenzy/rage. This caused distortions to appear in the space around him. It seems that it is because of this power that Buu was able to escape from the Room of Spirit and Time. This space would engulf the Living World, and would annihilate the Universe.

the dainzehsu 4, refers to “uchu” as the living universe not the whole cosmology For example.
making already your case completely invalid since it depends on context.

when it says “universe” it is never explicitly said its the whole cosmology. it depends.

On top of that the actual original source the anime, never indicate, state or shown that the after life or other realms would be affected.

in the case of beerus and omega the anime make it very clear the whole cosmology is affected. Mentioning other realms. This is never the case with Buhan.

Beside he was just opening a huge portal covering

• おおう (oou) - to cover

the living world, that would crush the universe under him by using the weight of another dimension, so crushing the living world universe By opening a portal.
The after life or the kaio realm were never shown to be in danger in the original source. And this absolutely doesnt scale to buhan’AP.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

people really say disagree without posting a single evidence, for beerus we have the old kaio saying his realm would be destroyed, for omega we have the same, that’s why they are 2C, there is absolutely nothing suggesting buhan would destroy the after life and other realms.The word universe and think it’s the whole cosmology it’s not the case, given what videl stated is also insied the dainzeshu.
In the anime the after life or the kaio realm Where never threatened By buhan, just the living world.

The attack engulfed the living realm and would’ve destroyed the universe via chain reaction idk what you’re trying to argue

covering the living world with the space warp is not a low 2C feat, a low 2C feat is destroying past present and future of a timeline, and you really think buhan covering the space of the living universe is low 2c, make absolutely no sense.

him covering the living universe and breaking down the walls between dimensions would be a low 2-C feat since it happened from attacking the living realm the chain reaction is 2-C due to the chain reaction which would’ve annihilated the universe by causing the dimensions to fall ontop of each other

I actually kinda agree with you, buhan was just opening a portal allowing another dimension to enter and destroying the living world. That’s what happening.

That’s not what was stated or shown he was breaking the dimensional walls causing it to collapse on each other it doesn’t matter how you argue it you’ll still end up with 2-C chain reaction at the worst

the whole cosmology is also called “the world of dragonball”. The universe being the under part.

the dainzehsu 4, refers to “uchu” as the living universe not the whole cosmology For example.
making already your case completely invalid since it depends on context.

when it says “universe” it is never explicitly said its the whole cosmology. it depends.

On top of that the actual original source the anime, never indicate, state or shown that the after life or other realms would be affected.

in the case of beerus and omega the anime make it very clear the whole cosmology is affected. Mentioning other realms. This is never the case with Buhan.

Beside he was just opening a huge portal covering

• おおう (oou) - to cover

the living world, that would crush the universe under him by using the weight of another dimension, so crushing the living world universe By opening a portal.
The after life or the kaio realm were never shown to be in danger in the original source. And this absolutely doesnt scale to buhan’AP.

Okay so you said it depends on the context whether Universe is referring to the cosmology but the Living World is the realm where there’s celestial bodies and is combined with the demon realm which is based off our world it says that the space engulfs the Living World and then annihilates the Universe this is clearly talking about the whole cosmology and this makes sense because the wall between dimensions was falling down (Afterlife Kaioshin realm and Living Realm’s dimensional walls) and DIMENSIONS were falling on each other this clearly shows that it’s referring to the entire universe idk how it can say it’ll engulf the living world and destroy the universe and you take it as only destroying the Living World that’s some strange logic

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I implore you to read my response.

 

[pineappleman]

1. Dende directly referenced the Vice Shout that Majin Buu used to open a rift in the Room of Spirit and Time and escape before describing the mechanics of the Outside Space, establishing a common ground between the two techniques—creating portals.
2. Dende explicitly stated that the Outside Space technique consisted of Majin Buu's power swelling and warping space, causing the "wall between dimensions", which is what separates the Room of Spirit and Time from the real world, to break down, opening up rifts to alternate dimensions. In the process, said alternate dimensions would begin to rush through the rifts and into the universe.
3. Vegito explicitly states that if Majin Buu was allowed to continue his attack, then the alternate dimensions that Dende previously mentioned as entering into the universe through cracks in the "wall between dimensions" would ultimately crush the universe.
4. Rifts in space are explicitly shown to emerge from Majin Buu's technique, as bolts of lightning from his aura crash into the stormy sky and break open the clouds, revealing strange, blue, swirling lights—the alternate dimensions; later, after Vegito manages to floor Buu, the pods of swirling lights disappear, further reinforcing the idea that said pods were rifts to alternate dimensions, as Dende and Vegito suggested.

The tl;dr is: Majin Buu's Outside Space warps and distorts space, tearing down the wall between dimensions, and opens up spatial rifts, allowing unknown, alternate dimensions to begin flooding the universe, ultimately crushing everything inside. The alternate dimensions are doing all of the heavy lifting in this ordeal, and Majin Buu is merely inviting the dimensions inside. And if the above clip, in its entirety, is not enough, the recapping narration in the following episode clarifies that the only thing Majin Buu did was "[destroy] the wall between dimensions", which is how he intended to crush the universe. Stop treating the Daizenshuu 7 as though its (Caramel Mama's) text is irrefutable fact and infinitely superior to the dialogue presented in the original TV anime. Majin Buu never created a space that engulfed the Living World, the only thing he did was force open spatial rifts, which was a feat achieved effortlessly by Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. This is the information presented by the TV anime, and that is that.

I'd like to point out that Outside Space and Vice Shout are not portal creation hax, but they are punching holes through reality via AP.
Proof for that being the case:

Both Vice Shout and Outside Space are a result of Buu's emotions going haywire, causing him to exert his power near mindlessly in a destructive fashion. Keep in mind that the Outside Space's power would be relative directly to Buuhan's AP:

As for the flooding alternate dimensions argument, I find it nonsensical for two reasons.
1-'The alternate dimensions are doing all the heavy lifting, Buuhan is just inviting them in': Whether alternate dimensions rush in or not are just a matter of happenstance.
Let's take two hypothetical infinite balloons, submerge one in an encased box of water while the other remains on the ground. Now say someone comes and pierces enough holes to cover both of these balloons. What happens in both cases?
Sure the first one will get flooded by the water, while the second wouldn't be, but the end result stays the same. Two destroyed balloons.
Buuhan's Outside Space would have eventually resulted in the destruction of the Living World with or without the flooding dimensions caused by the collapsing dimensional walls.

2-Saying that 'Buuhan destroying the Living World doesn't count because dimensions would be rushing through the holes in reality he created' would be the same as saying 'X character punching a hole through a building and causing it's collapse isn't a valid feat, since gravity is doing all the heavy lifting'

All in all, Buuhan is High 3-A (via the Original TV Anime), and 2-C via Environmental Destruction (via Daizenshuu)

 

[Tarang123]

I disagree FRA as of now. Might change in the future

 

[Nullflowerblush]

X character punching a hole through a building and causing it's collapse isn't a valid feat, since gravity is doing all the heavy lifting

Is it Building level?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Let's take two hypothetical infinite balloons, submerge one in an encased box of water while the other remains on the ground. Now say someone comes and pierces enough holes to cover both of these balloons. What happens in both cases?
Sure the first one will get flooded by the water, while the second wouldn't be, but the end result stays the same. Two destroyed balloons.

The Outside Space was never going to destroy the universe by creating portals, and nothing ever implies that maintaining a series of portals within the universe causes its spatial structure to collapse. Everything attributes the eventual destruction of the universe to being crushed by alternate dimensions.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

None of this really addresses or knocks down any of my arguments. What a limp response.

I'd like to point out that Outside Space and Vice Shout are not portal creation hax, but they are punching holes through reality via AP.

Okay?

If there is any possible way to determine the Destructive Capacity or the Attack Potency that would be required to break down the "wall between dimensions" and open up spatial rifts, Buu would have a case, but as the matter stands, this is bogus.

"Punching holes through reality via AP" and "portal creation hax" function identically. The only thing that would change this is if the "wall between dimensions" was given a durability rating. Until then, Unknown?

Keep in mind that the Outside Space's power would be relative directly to Buuhan's AP:

Heightened by anger, but yes.

As for the flooding alternate dimensions argument, I find it nonsensical for two reasons.
1-'The alternate dimensions are doing all the heavy lifting, Buuhan is just inviting them in': Whether alternate dimensions rush in or not are just a matter of happenstance.

The alternate dimensions flooding in is the basis of the technique. Dende's dialogue, Vegito's dialogue, and the recapping narration all explicitly declare that Majin Buu planned to destroy the "walls between dimensions" and crush the universe through the ensuing alternate dimensions. This is not a "matter of happenstance", that is how the technique operates.

Let's take two hypothetical infinite balloons, submerge one in an encased box of water while the other remains on the ground. Now say someone comes and pierces enough holes to cover both of these balloons. What happens in both cases?
Sure the first one will get flooded by the water, while the second wouldn't be, but the end result stays the same. Two destroyed balloons.

See above.

Buuhan's Outside Space would have eventually resulted in the destruction of the Living World with or without the flooding dimensions caused by the collapsing dimensional walls.

No, this is purely conjecture, and conjecture founded upon zero evidence, mind you. The Outside Space would have eventually resulted in the destruction of the universe by allowing a myriad alternate dimensions to crush everything. This is supported by every piece of dialogue. The only thing not supporting this notion is the Daizenshuu 7, a databook.

2-Saying that 'Buuhan destroying the Living World doesn't count because dimensions would be rushing through the holes in reality he created' would be the same as saying 'X character punching a hole through a building and causing it's collapse isn't a valid feat, since gravity is doing all the heavy lifting'

I'm not entertaining that.

How you manage to power through everything the anime has presented in the pursuit of legitimizing a flawed excerpt from a third party databook for an upgrade is beyond me, truly.

 

[AguilaR202]

Can this thread be closed because it’s not even about saying buu shouldn’t be 2-C with ED anymore, it’s about scaling it to AP.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Tyri456

Would you prefer if we close the thread?

 

[Tyri456]

@Tyri456

Would you prefer if we close the thread?

No, Pineapple man is literally making up stuff rn lol.

Saiying the living world would be destroyed without the other dimensions weight when its the entire point of the explanation it just pure anti-narrative and made up.

imma do a TDLR after with mine and Nullflowerblush points there is no rush, and then call other staff member given all said neutral.

 

[Xxiaa]

Neutral leaning towards agree

 

[Therefir]

The thread was about downgrading his Environmental Destruction rating, why are people talking about it scaling to his AP? What does that have to do with this?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

There’s no way to argue that the Universe wouldn’t be destroyed from this it’s stated in the anime and it tells us the dimensions would collapse on each other and even the guides say that the space covered the living world and would destroy the universe 2-C ED is a given I don’t see how you can say it only affected the living world when the anime and guides say otherwise

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The thread was about downgrading his Environmental Destruction rating, why are people talking about it scaling to his AP? What does that have to do with this?

Godofice brought up a Low 2-C, 2-C Environmental Destruction rating. Regardless, the counterarguments aim to debunk any belief that the attack may have resulted in a 2-C level of destruction, considering its scope is exclusively described as universal.

it tells us the dimensions would collapse on each other

It tells us "alternate dimensions" would collapse in on the universe. The uchū. The 宇宙. "Outer space". Heaven is never mentioned, Hell is never mentioned, King Kai's planet is never mentioned, the Kai's faraway planet is never mentioned, et cetera, et cetera. Said realms are not even described as "dimensions" in-universe, they are described as "worlds". For all we know, these "alternate dimensions" could be an infinite number of different Rooms of Spirit and Time, or any infinite number of Sugoroku Spaces, or an infinite number of Teleportation Zones, or an infinite number of Pendulum Rooms, or infinite copies of the universe.

The only piece of media ever suggesting that the Living World had any stake in this battle was the Daizenshuu, and even then, that excerpt clarified that only the universe was at risk of being destroyed.

I don’t see how you can say it only affected the living world when the anime and guides say otherwise

Is this a bit?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

異次元空間☆【系】能力【人】魔人ブウ (悪)【特】ベジットに圧倒され、逆上したブウがが発生させた。ブゥの周囲の空間が歪み、出現する。ブウが精神と時の部屋から脱出できたのもこの力のせいらしい。この空間がこの世をおおうと宇宙が消滅する。 (Daizenshuu 7 [1996] pg.127)

Even the Daizenshuu, as Pineappleman pointed out, refers to uchū, to 宇宙, to "outer space". This has next to nothing to do with the grand scope of the Living World or the entirety of Universe 7, stop appealing to incredulity.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Godofice brought up a Low 2-C, 2-C Environmental Destruction rating. Regardless, the counterarguments aim to debunk any belief that the attack may have resulted in a 2-C level of destruction, considering its scope is exclusively described as universal.

It tells us "alternate dimensions" would collapse in on the universe. The uchū. The 宇宙. "Outer space". Heaven is never mentioned, Hell is never mentioned, King Kai's planet is never mentioned, the Kai's faraway planet is never mentioned, et cetera, et cetera. Said realms are not even described as "dimensions" in-universe, they are described as "worlds". For all we know, these "alternate dimensions" could be an infinite number of different Rooms of Spirit and Time, or any infinite number of Sugoroku Spaces, or an infinite number of Teleportation Zones, or an infinite number of Pendulum Rooms, or infinite copies of the universe.

The only piece of media ever suggesting that the Living World had any stake in this battle was the Daizenshuu, and even then, that excerpt clarified that only the universe was at risk of being destroyed.

Is this a bit?

They’re called dimensions and stated to be seperated by a dimensional barrier which is what Buuhan is breaking down causing the Universe to get crushed by alternate dimensions the daizenshuu reaffirms this saying that Buuhan caused distortions and this space covered the living world which would’ve destroyed the entire universe answer me this are you claiming that Universe here is referring to the Living World when the Living World is already being used before and it’s telling us that the chain reaction of engulfing the living world is gonna destroy the Universe

Even the Daizenshuu, as Pineappleman pointed out, refers to uchū, to 宇宙, to "outer space". This has next to nothing to do with the grand scope of the Living World or the entirety of Universe 7, stop appealing to incredulity.

I’m not appealing to incredulity it literally differentiates the 2 are literally differentiated the scan tells us that Buuhan caused distortions in space and that this space engulfed the Living World and would destroy the Universe I would see your point of it said it’d destroy the Living World but the dimensions walls being breaking down leading to the Universe’s destruction is what is supported by the anime and daizenshuu your argument has nothing to support it

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yes, the Outside Space was going to destroy the universe.
That has been what I have tried to tell you.