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the Nomu clones arnt nearly as powrful as the one that fought AllMight even shigaraki said so himself, they were giving hero's like gran torino a little trouble but not much.
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Boku no Hero Upgrades
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The fact that this villain is barely given any attention to by the plot indicates that he is worthless compared to the real villains who are perceived as threats, so you can scale them to him.
Just like if a Tiger Threat monster from One-Punch Man did a City Block level feat, you could easily scale that to Demon Threat monsters.
Or how in Warhammer 40,000 we have a random Daemon type capable of sucking up the energy of a Red Giant Star and they are never given much attention when compared to things like Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons, so you can clearly scale the later two to it.
Just like if a Tiger Threat monster from One-Punch Man did a City Block level feat, you could easily scale that to Demon Threat monsters.
Or how in Warhammer 40,000 we have a random Daemon type capable of sucking up the energy of a Red Giant Star and they are never given much attention when compared to things like Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons, so you can clearly scale the later two to it.
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so....
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I think we can upgrade the characters based on the High 8-C calc and the scans that Reppuzan showed.
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I think that Todoroki should be possibly low 7-C with ice since he did harm a powerful Nomu.
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Just that it's weird Deku's 5% mode is technically the same (or greater than) his 100% attacks based on scaling a villain to someone he's never interacted with just because "the narrative leads us to believe this villain is physically stronger" even though they have feats which lead us to believe otherwise. Like Deku staggering Stain with attacks that at maximum (if there's any other better 5% feat let me know), don't come close to large building level.
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Doesn't come close? Deku's feats are Small Building level. The gap between it and Large Building level is tiny and doesn't constitute enough of a difference to be considered an Outlier, and everything points out to this fodder one-off villain being weaker than the bad guys Deku has fought.
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@Matt
That's on top of the fact that even Mineta's sticky balls can prove a hindrance to (handicapped) Pro Heroes, who disposed of villains on this level with little effort.
Combined with the fact that even "weak" members of Class 1-A can knock over apartment complex-sized Villains, and it's the most logical thing to do.
That's on top of the fact that even Mineta's sticky balls can prove a hindrance to (handicapped) Pro Heroes, who disposed of villains on this level with little effort.
Combined with the fact that even "weak" members of Class 1-A can knock over apartment complex-sized Villains, and it's the most logical thing to do.
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"Deku's feats are Small Building level."
At max power, at 5% he doesn't come close.
"The gap between it and Large Building level is tiny and doesn't constitute enough of a difference to be considered an Outlier"
I don't think a 14x difference is "tiny", and that's assuming Deku even has a 5% feat right on the upper end of small building (he doesn't).
"and everything points out to this fodder one-off villain being weaker than the bad guys Deku has fought."
I don't really care, if Stain were as strong as that villain an attack way below 9-A would not have staggered him at all. Use whatever narrative devices you want but the showings speak for themselves.
"That's on top of the fact that even Mineta's sticky balls can prove a hindrance to (handicapped) Pro Heroes, who disposed of villains on this level with little effort."
How does this correlate to anyones physical strength? I'd only keep that in mind if someone grabbed the sticky ball and tore it off with brute strength.
"Combined with the fact that even "weak" members of Class 1-A can knock over apartment complex-sized Villains, and it's the most logical thing to do."
I'd like to know why you think Todoroki shouldn't scale to All Might even though he trapped a nomu in ice. Because the reasons for that, are going to most likely be the reasons as to why I disagree with this line of reasoning.
At max power, at 5% he doesn't come close.
"The gap between it and Large Building level is tiny and doesn't constitute enough of a difference to be considered an Outlier"
I don't think a 14x difference is "tiny", and that's assuming Deku even has a 5% feat right on the upper end of small building (he doesn't).
"and everything points out to this fodder one-off villain being weaker than the bad guys Deku has fought."
I don't really care, if Stain were as strong as that villain an attack way below 9-A would not have staggered him at all. Use whatever narrative devices you want but the showings speak for themselves.
"That's on top of the fact that even Mineta's sticky balls can prove a hindrance to (handicapped) Pro Heroes, who disposed of villains on this level with little effort."
How does this correlate to anyones physical strength? I'd only keep that in mind if someone grabbed the sticky ball and tore it off with brute strength.
"Combined with the fact that even "weak" members of Class 1-A can knock over apartment complex-sized Villains, and it's the most logical thing to do."
I'd like to know why you think Todoroki shouldn't scale to All Might even though he trapped a nomu in ice. Because the reasons for that, are going to most likely be the reasons as to why I disagree with this line of reasoning.
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1) Deku still fought Bakugou, who made short work of the fodder villains sent by the alliance and matched Todoroki's ice.
2) Deku can still borderline knockout other villains like the members of the Yakuza with a single kick.
3) Fiction is only so consistent when logic dictates otherwise. Goku hasn't done a universe destroying feat since BoG, but he still gets Universal scaling from his previous feat.
4) Mineta's sticky balls correlate because they were used to bind the villain that did the boat cutting feat in the first place. They couldn't move and were completely restrained after being stuck to other fodder villains.
5) I never said Todoroki should scale to All Might and in fact called it an outlier.
2) Deku can still borderline knockout other villains like the members of the Yakuza with a single kick.
3) Fiction is only so consistent when logic dictates otherwise. Goku hasn't done a universe destroying feat since BoG, but he still gets Universal scaling from his previous feat.
4) Mineta's sticky balls correlate because they were used to bind the villain that did the boat cutting feat in the first place. They couldn't move and were completely restrained after being stuck to other fodder villains.
5) I never said Todoroki should scale to All Might and in fact called it an outlier.
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"At max power, at 5% he doesn't come close."
Stated percentage values are mostly meaningless. The gap between 5% and 100% Deku could be higher than x20 and it would be fine. Feats are what matter.
"I don't think a 14x difference is "tiny" "
It is.
"I don't really care"
So you are just going to ignore the narrative and the facts?
"if Stain were as strong as that villain an attack way below 9-A would not have staggered him at all"
You are acting as if Deku is 9-A when he is High 8-C scaling from this guy.
Stated percentage values are mostly meaningless. The gap between 5% and 100% Deku could be higher than x20 and it would be fine. Feats are what matter.
"I don't think a 14x difference is "tiny" "
It is.
"I don't really care"
So you are just going to ignore the narrative and the facts?
"if Stain were as strong as that villain an attack way below 9-A would not have staggered him at all"
You are acting as if Deku is 9-A when he is High 8-C scaling from this guy.
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Considering Todoroki has a 8-A feat , him freezing a Nomu isnt that inconsistent as you might think.
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Compated to the later tiers 14X is a spec.
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It's still an outlier, since accepting it as anything otherwise would imply that:
1) Todoroki is as powerful as All Might (false).
2) Todoroki is as powerful as Noumu (false).
3) Izuku and Bakugou are both as powerful as All Might for contending Todoroki (also false).
4) Stain is comparable to All Might due to fighting both Izuku and Todoroki (also false).
It's still an outlier, since accepting it as anything otherwise would imply that:
1) Todoroki is as powerful as All Might (false).
2) Todoroki is as powerful as Noumu (false).
3) Izuku and Bakugou are both as powerful as All Might for contending Todoroki (also false).
4) Stain is comparable to All Might due to fighting both Izuku and Todoroki (also false).
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i said it isnt as inconsistent as you might think but i still regard it as an outlier,also why do we have the 8-A rating on his profile then?
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Show me a 5% feat that comes close to small building, because the best one I found will probably max out at around the mid wall-level ranges. And scaling Stain to that villain he's never interacted with despite him being staggered by this 9-B attack is just based on reasonings that contradict the whole "feats > authorial intent" rule we have.
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5% Deku isn't Wall level by scaling in the first place so why are you arguing that? And once again, you seem unable to interpret each scene as existing outside of a vacuum which leads you to think that the attack which staggered Stain was 9-B. It could simply be that it is much greater than 9-B but the destruction it caused was 9-B.
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Two of those feats are like a combined effort thing which can pretty much mean Deku himself is still wall level, and for Bakugo it's not like Deku actually matched his explosion (he threw his punch away from it's direction to the ceiling) and Bakugo was pretty flabbergasted by that punch. He even thought Deku was just toying with him after it.
With that in mind, this feat even ignoring the fact that it was a result of the shockwave as opposed to any physical contact with his fist should surpass a building level rating.
With that in mind, this feat even ignoring the fact that it was a result of the shockwave as opposed to any physical contact with his fist should surpass a building level rating.
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Deku still stated that he wouldn't have been able to win 1v1 against Bakugou even with 100%, which is why he aimed up. Bakugou being flabbergasted is his disbelief at the thought that Deku had a Quirk when he knew that Deku was born Quirkless.
Bakugou still scales to fodder villains and natural scaling from the other members of 1-A still makes this work, since Tsuyu and Uraraka are MUCH weaker than Bakugou at pure offense.
Deku still stated that he wouldn't have been able to win 1v1 against Bakugou even with 100%, which is why he aimed up. Bakugou being flabbergasted is his disbelief at the thought that Deku had a Quirk when he knew that Deku was born Quirkless.
Bakugou still scales to fodder villains and natural scaling from the other members of 1-A still makes this work, since Tsuyu and Uraraka are MUCH weaker than Bakugou at pure offense.
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"Bakugou being flabbergasted is his disbelief at the thought that Deku had a Quirk when he knew that Deku was born Quirkless."
He knew back when Deku one-shot that big robot, I don't see why he would be in disbelief at seeing Deku use his quirk again when he's already seen it. It's just that this punch's power stunned Bakugo and he thought Deku wasn't taking him seriously.
"Bakugou still scales to fodder villains and natural scaling from the other members of 1-A still makes this work, since Tsuyu and Uraraka are MUCH weaker than Bakugou at pure offense."
Alright then.
He knew back when Deku one-shot that big robot, I don't see why he would be in disbelief at seeing Deku use his quirk again when he's already seen it. It's just that this punch's power stunned Bakugo and he thought Deku wasn't taking him seriously.
"Bakugou still scales to fodder villains and natural scaling from the other members of 1-A still makes this work, since Tsuyu and Uraraka are MUCH weaker than Bakugou at pure offense."
Alright then.
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