Boku no Hero Upgrades

[Shadowbokunohero]

there seems to be a problem with Tenya and Stain's page, Stain is 8-C for hurting Tenya and Tenya is 8-C for hurting stain circular scalling, instead Stain should be upgraded considering he tanked attacks from Todoroki who is High 8-C Here for reference and Tenya was capable of harming Stain which would result in him being High 8-C along with Midoriya who was able to damage him, this means that Deku full cowl is High 8-C not just his 100 percent smash.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

bump

 

[Reppuzan]

Hmm... I suppose this would make sense, but it would undercut the point of 100% being ridiculously more powerful than Full Cowl.

I wonder if 100% needs an upgrade. Have there been any calcs involving Deku's 100% vs Shouto's ice?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

not that i know off, personally 100 percent being 8-B doesnt seem to farfetch but we need the calcs

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

well Bakugou destroyed Todoroki's ice so im not sure if it can scale

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

When did Todoroki hit Stain? As far as I know he just kept evading. Also, him being called the strongest member doesn't mean he can take on Deku in a physical brawl (he cannot) just that with his abilities he can handidly take on anyone in his class.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Stain was about to harm tenya when he hit with a fireblast and second time as team combo with tenya and Deku, as for him taking Deku in a physical brawl according to his stats on the wiki he should.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"according to his stats on the wiki he should."

Which I also disagree with, his durability implies he withstood a full on 100% hit from Deku which never happened. The only hits Todoroki took were punches which Deku held back on as he just wanted to make Todoroki going all out via using his left side and flattening him with one blow would be counter productive to that. There's also Deku muttering not to let it (all for one) explode when he struck Todoroki. His striking strength being classed as the same as Deku going 100% (without justification at that) makes no sense when he displays zero physical feats of that caliber and is heavily reliant on his quirk abilities to deal out damage.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

well Stain did destroy some of his ice attacks aswell which should make Stain High 8-C anyway and Deku harmed Stain if anything Todoroki is the only one who should get a downgrade. but this should still justify stain being High 8-C

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"Stain did destroy some of his ice attacks aswell which should make Stain High 8-C"

Why should Stain destroying these ice attacks scale to Deku's 100% punches when the latter could blast through large sections of these ice attacks with 100% finger flicks? That would only imply that ice has a durability which is lower than High 8-C.

"but this should still justify stain being High 8-C"

That's assuming Deku threw a punch at him with 100% which he didn't do, he used full cowl instead which isn't as strong as an attack.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

well Todoroki was capable of freezing and restraining large building level fodder villains early on and it took Bakugou a couple of blasts to get through his ice and Bakugou scales from defeating those villians aswell, so it's only logical to assume his ice would be large building aswell

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

after fixing some of the profiles i noticed something all 8-C characters scaling from fodder villains should be High 8-C not 8-C,which validates Stain being High 8-C anyway as he he should be far superior to those fodder villains.

 

[Therefir]

Stain must be High 8-C because he can harm Todoroki, Deku and Tenya should be scaled from him and for one for all 100% is probably 8-B, because is at least 20 times stronger than one for all full cowl.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"so it's only logical to assume his ice would be large building aswell"

That would be the case if Deku's and Bakugo's full power attacks failed to damage the ice, but that wasn't the case. Therefore the ice is not large building; by the way, all those fodder villains did not manage to withstand a 100% punch from Deku. The only one who done so was Muscular and he never interacted with Todoroki.

 

[Therefir]

Stain is High 8-C not because he can destroy the ice, but because he can harm Todoroki who manage to survive this

 

[Therefir]

And Todoroki's Ice can harm nomu who is low 7-C

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

The ice shielded Todoroki from the full brunt of the explosion, it did not hit him directly. Also, you're going to need to calculate this attack. And seeing as it differs in the manga , you're going to have to argue which variation we have to go with.

 

[Therefir]

The ice shielded Todoroki from the full brunt of the explosion, it did not hit him directly.

What suggest that? I see that Bakugo is punch destroy the ice and create the explosion, anyway Todoroki durability is at least large build level in the page, Stain can harm him so he should be scaled from that

 

[RadicalMrR]

How is stain weaker than a fodder villains, who are High 8-C?

 

[Therefir]

I suggest Deku full cowl should be High 8-C and his 100% should be 8-B, Stain and Iida should be High 8-C, but I have a question, since Todorki is ice can harm Nomu who is small town level, Todoroki is attack potency should be low 7-C or I forgot something? Todoroki's ice can ignore durability?

Sorry for bad english

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"What suggest that? I see that Bakugo is punch destroy the ice and create the explosion,"

That's precisely it, if I was behind a big wall of concrete and a 20kg tnt explosion on the other side blew through it sending me backwards in the process. I wouldn't scale exactly to a 20kg tnt explosion, I would need to be right in contact with the explosive before it was set off if I want to scale.

"How is stain weaker than a fodder villains, who are High 8-C?"

The problem is that there are no fodder villains who are High 8-C, since we're assuming they've been struck by a 100% attack and withstood it which has never been the case excluding Muscular who hasn't interacted with the others.

 

[RadicalMrR]

Some random no name villain destroyed a boat. The result was High 8-C.

I'd link the calc but I'm on mobile.

 

[Cropfist]

But a fodder villain has a large building feat.

 

[Therefir]

"How is stain weaker than a fodder villains, who are High 8-C?"

The problem is that there are no fodder villains who are High 8-C, since we're assuming they've been struck by a 100% attack and withstood it which has never been the case excluding Muscular who hasn't interacted with the others.

Okay forget Bakugo, first there are fodder villains who are High 8-C, that does not mean they have that durability, BUT say that any person who is more stronger than fodders villains that his attack potency should be High 8-C.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

But a fodder villain has a large building feat.

Oh I see, for some reason I thought large building came from one of Deku's 100% feats,

 

[Jucaslucas]

Don't see why everyone should scale to a random villain that no one actually took attacks from tbh. The guy could be a villain with a powerful quirk that just ended up along with the fodder due to not being well trained.

 

[Cropfist]

The villain soldiers were confirmed to be basically random street thugs.

 

[Jucaslucas]

You can be a random street thug with a powerful quirk. On the same note, you can be a top tier hero with an average quirk (eg. Mirio).

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

That fodder villain's calc not only exceeds Deku's 100% punch , but also his 1000000% punch . Something isn't right here, agreed with Jucas.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Austrian

It should also be noted that characters who have abysmally low power by the series' standards (i.e. Tsuyu Asui, who officially has the lowest possible strength rating in the series) can still knock out Villains the size of apartment complexes.

So yes, it's consistent.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that upgrading the characters based on the new High 8-C calc is fine. I agree with Crop, RadicalMrR and Shadow. It being higher than previous Small Building level+ calcs really isn't grounds for saying it's an outlier, that is being ridiculously restrictive.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"can still knock out Villains the size of apartment complexes."

Not only that, but I think her hit launched them downwards also. Or, just knocked them out and they just spun back down to the floor. Either way, yeah that's impressive and I guess you can scale the heroes physical strength off from that. However, I'm still very wary of someone who's mentioned to be the weakest in the class actually surpass calculations of Deku giving it his 100% and in another case 1000000%,

"It being higher than previous Small Building level+ calcs really isn't grounds for saying it's an outlier, that is being ridiculously restrictive."

The guy who done the High 8-C feat never contended with anyone so we don't really know if he does scale outside of speculation.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Sure we can know that he can scale from people who are given more highlight and are treated as a bigger deal, instead of being apparently no-name fodders like this guy.

 

[RadicalMrR]

IRL who is likely to be stronger, the thug who got hired to beat up some kids or the guy actively hunting down high profile cops?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yay came from work just in time for this thread >_>

 

[Jucaslucas]

IRL who is likely to be stronger, the thug who got hired to beat up some kids or the guy actively hunting down high profile cops?

You can be more powerful, but still loose to other people. Sure, his attacks are powerful, but he doesn't have speed or durability feats, and likely couldn't replicate that attack out of water. Someone like Stain would body him, but not because he's more powerful.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We need actual proof that he is a Glass Cannon, otherwise we assume that the durability is equal to the Attack Potency, specially since he uses physical attacks (Per Newton's Third Law).

And scaling his AP to superior villains is completely reasonable.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Stain also bodied a nomu clone who was giving like 5 pro hero's a run for their money

 

[RadicalMrR]

Ur making way too many assumptions for the sake of being conservative.

• This one no name fodder was the strongest of the 100s of villians there.

• Stain has killed pro heros but none off them were physically strong enough to compete with fodder

• Teenagers without physically enhancing quirks are High 8-C but the guy who trains to kill people vastly superior to them is also weaker.

My assumption

• No name one shot villian isn't special compared to the rest of the verse

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

"Stain also bodied a nomu clone who was giving like 5 pro hero's a run for their money"

This would make Stain, Deku and the gang by association 7-C. Which would mean Deku's attacks he puts his all into are many orders of magnitude weaker than his weaker attacks. Which jumbles things up quite a lot.

"fodder"

He's just a villain with a single appearence who has better physical feats than Deku has ever shown. We haven't seen him been beaten in a physical brawl by anyone and the only way Deku took him and his group out was by sticking them together via Mirio's quirk so he could get out of the area whilst they were restricted.

With that said, why should he scale to Stain when Deku going at 5% was able to bounce Stain around the place?