(Blue Archive) Major CRT

[FantaRin_The_First]

'ey, 'ey. Fanta here. Here's my second CRT for Blue Archive, let's have a good time with it... I hope.

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Abilities
Addition

Regeneration (Low: Students can heal critical, extremely grotesque injuries in under an hour with medical assistance.<ref>Blue Archive Get Set, Go! Kivotos Halo Festival! EP 4: A Late Lunch</ref> Comparable to Kenzaki Tsurugi, who could heal from her injuries from battling Mikamo Neru as soon as they finished conversing with each other<ref>Blue Archive Volume Final: Where All Miracles Begin Chapter 2 EP.3: Planning an Operation 1</ref>)

Reworking

• Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Statistics: Students' are able to fight battles more efficiently and become crazy strong when they are being lead by Schale's Sensei as their leadership can defy calculations based on flawless data on a student's abilities and cause the students to grow in strength)
  • For Mikamo Neru (Yada yada yada, same as the above. Went from being instantly overwhelmed by Mode 2 Toki to matching her Mode 2 on their second battle by improving in real time) [the necessary references are already on the profiles]
  • For Sunaookami Shiroko (Yada yada yada, same as the above. Despite having been repeatedly beaten by Takanashi Hoshino both by herself in the past numerous time and on two seperate occasions while backed up by Foreclosure Task Force, she gained a second wind just moments after her latest defeat and managed to defeat Hoshino by herself and was then said she outright surpassed her after her victory) [the necessary references are already on the profiles]

So we have this "mess" on the Blue Archive pages.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Students should be able to damage the Mimesis Justina Council of Saints, whom are akin to ghosts as they are stated to be intangible and can manifest and dissipate from and into thin air.
• Likely Soul Manipulation and Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Students have been consistently shown to be capable of damaging and taking down powerful enemies with mostly conventional weaponry and technology that should otherwise have little to no effect. These include entities like Perorodzilla and Myouki Kurokage, who are manifested embodiments of ghost stories and/or urban legends, as well as The Fury of Set, who is stated to be a transcendental godlike being that embodies concepts like natural elements and disasters, and comes from the Celestial Pantheon, a realm in which its inhabitants can only be described as alien and otherworldly. Such capabilities can only be possible by directly affecting the soul or embodied concept to a certain degree.)

I removed NPI in a past CRT and I have no idea where Likely Soul Manipulation and Limited Conceptual Manipulation came from whatsoever, and I am the one who made all of the Blue Archive pages, barring Alice's page... However, I've came around to NPI (and wish to remove Likely Soul Manipulation and Limited Conceptual Manipulation). Thus, I propose to rework it into this:

• Non-Physical Interaction (Can interact with Perorodzilla, which is the manifested embodiments of creepypastas and a variant of a sign, which should be akin to the signs of Golconde and Decalcomaia, who are the signs of illusion and non-realism.<ref>Blue Archive Total Assault: Perorodzilla - The World of Signs</ref> Can fight against Myouki Kurokage, which is the manifested embodiments of ghost stories and stated to be a ghost itself, as the students can interact with it by the time of its raid battle.<ref>Blue Archive Volume 4 Chapter 1 EP 18: Rumors of the Street 2</ref><ref>Blue Archive Volume 4 Chapter 1 EP 19: The Bard of Nature's Beauty 1</ref><ref>Blue Archive Total Assault: Myouki Kurokage - The Fate of an Unfinished Ghost Story</ref> Can interact with The Fury of Set, a manifested transcendental god-like figure that embodies the sands, the storm and the lightning itself<ref> Blue Archive Final Restriction Release: The Fury of Set</ref>)

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Tiering
My High 6-A to 6-A calculation recived a re-calc that downgraded it to 6-B to Low 6-B and I, myself, find it the better calc, so let's apply it in this thread and talk about it how it affects scaling.

• The 6 False Sanctum fires off a beam that parts clouds and make a massive hole that can be seen from outerspace.
• One False Sanctum, after all other False Sanctums were destroyed, gathers "more" energy and becomes a single False Sanctum that holds the power of all six Sanctums that then revives a defeated Sanctum Guardian, Perorodzilla Chroma. As a response, a mecha called Kaiten FX gets empowered by a single Sanctum and goes on to defeat Perorodzilla cuz Schale Sensei (The Player Character) wanted the mecha to fight the kajiu because they are a mecha fan.

Here's how the students scale to Low 6-B via 'Zilla Chroma and Kaiten FX.

• The command control that's observing everything from a distance is fully capable of detecting a Sanctum Guardian's power and could tell that Perorodzilla Chroma was stronger than the other Sanctum Guardians as it is stated that it held the most powerful energy as they were trying to find its location and it is later stated it is also more dangerous than the sum of all others (Guardians) combined.
• The students are capable of battling 'Zilla Chroma and taking its attacks and could defeat it by themselves. And, after the last Sanctum does one last ditch effort and revives 'Zilla Chroma, the ones in the command center didn't detect any power increase or issue that prevented the students from battling it again. Also, the students can damage 'Zilla Chroma while it is fighting the Kaiten FX.

And that's about it... But there are some multipliers at play for Blue Archive's scaling.

• An enemy unit called Saintess Barbara from Justina Council of Saints is 10x stronger than grunt unit from the aformentioned council, which Hanekawa Hasumi, a student that is among the weaker members of the cast, acknowledged as powerful. 8.8262332e+21 joules / 10 = 8.8262332e20 joules, or 210.952036 Gigatons (High 6-C) for the weaker cast members like Hasumi, basically.
• Mikamo Neru and Tendou Alice have "tricks" that can boost their Attack Potency by 2. Doesn't scale to Alice's durability as shown by Alice taking the full brunt of the explosion generated by a point-blank release of her charged attack caused her to take 48% physical damage to capcity (she's a robot/android) and she immediately chose to retreat. 8.8262332e+21 joules x 2 = 1.76524664e22 joules 4.21904073 teratons of tnt (Low 6-B AP)

In regards to non-AP Tiering like Lifting Strength and Speed, I've upgrades for that as well.

• I've this HH+ speed calc for characters dodging lightning. That's about it. No notable anti-feats or anything. Should scale to all characters.
  • Toki and Neru upscale from this speed rating via a Higher rating by virtue of Toki blitzing the latter with Mode 2 during their first fight, and Neru amp-ing herself to Toki's level via AD during their second battle... Also applies to Kenzaki Tsurugi by keeping up with Neru in CQC but her profile will only be released after this CRT is finished, nonetheless, this should be noted.
• Aomori Mine has this Class M calc. Every student should scale as Hanekawa Hasumi, who's described as her Academy's most unathletic, uncoordinated klutz, could physically content with Aomori Mine. There is also this Class K feat that is meant to support the Class M feat. Nuff said.

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Agree: @Dragopentling, @OrangeFR (Disagrees on NPI, agrees with everything else)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Dragopentling]

Everything else seems fine. As for Concept and Soul part, it is because the Mimesis Justina Council enemies are more or less confirmed or at least heavily implied as ghosts or undead in general as I had shared in one of the links.

Idk about NPI for Zilla, Kurokage, and Set, though, tbh. That's only if they were conventional spirit forms that cannot be physically touched. However, that's quite a stretch as they're stated to be physical manifestations. Supernatural manifestations that wouldn't normally be injured by conventional weaponry, especially modern militaristic technology. In the lore for Binah, Black Suit specifically notes the students' Mystic abilities utilized to oppose a "god". Since we bring up Binah, there's heavy doubt that chip damage by itself against most mechanically armored bosses as such would be enough to significantly harm and defeat them. Hence the Soul and Concept addition.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Everything else seems fine. As for Concept and Soul part, it is because the Mimesis Justina Council enemies are more or less confirmed or at least heavily implied as ghosts or undead in general as I had shared in one of the links.

Idk about NPI for Zilla, Kurokage, and Set, though, tbh. That's only if they were conventional spirit forms that cannot be physically touched. However, that's quite a stretch as they're stated to be physical manifestations. Supernatural manifestations that wouldn't normally be injured by conventional weaponry, especially modern militaristic technology. In the lore for Binah, Black Suit specifically notes the students' Mystic abilities utilized to oppose a "god". Since we bring up Binah, there's heavy doubt that chip damage by itself against most mechanically armored bosses as such would be enough to significantly harm and defeat them. Hence the Soul and Concept addition.

... That's a translation thing, Dragon. The part in the unofficial, old translation that you got for the Mimesis being "ghost/intangible" was translated to them being strong/tough in the official translation.

Ig, I can remove NPI itself, then. Also... It isn't chip damage. The students just have the ability to damage them enough to destroy them, nuff said. Mechanically armored or not. So I think we should just throw the soul and concept stuff out... Actually, I can probs do that rn since that was added without a CRT.

 

[Dragopentling]

... That's a translation thing, Dragon. The part in the unofficial, old translation that you got for the Mimesis being "ghost/intangible" was translated to them being strong/tough in the official translation.

Ig, I can remove NPI itself, then. Also... It isn't chip damage. The students just have the ability to damage them enough to destroy them, nuff said. Mechanically armored or not. So I think we should just throw the soul and concept stuff out... Actually, I can probs do that rn since that was added without a CRT.

Idk if you’re aware or not, but the global translations have been known to be very controversial in the amount of inaccuracies, particularly during volume 3…the “old translation” is closer to the original JP version and was via a very reliable fansub who has unfortunately retired. Hence why I couldn’t take the official translations a majority of the time, otherwise, unless I had no other available choices. Idk why accept the less accurate translation in this matter.

I wouldn’t change anything, tbh, aside from rewording. Otherwise if there are said match threads that involve noncorporeal opponents, do we just say gg just cause non touchable? No, otherwise what was the point of Mystic ability to begin with?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

They aren't around anymore, and the translation we've rn is more further ahead then them (and is being used for most of the BA profiles, rn)

 

[Dragopentling]

They aren't around anymore, and the translation we've rn is more further ahead then them (and is being used for most of the BA profiles, rn)

that’s only cause majority of the time it’s fairly accurate, just not in that particular case with the Mimesis. There has been plenty of negative reception regarding localized official translations, otherwise I wouldn’t have went with older more accurate fansubs to begin with.

One of the most infamous butchering was Arona’s line near the end of Volume F, for example. The official translation had her say “our story”, but the original version she said “our Blue Archive”.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

That's that, and this is this. Translation 'side, we can agree that NPI can be crossed out and discarded from the CRT altogether... and Concept, Soul and NPI stuff you added has to be removed from profiles, again they were added without a CRT, but we'll cross that bridge later.

... Like the BA cosmology CRT that has to be done before Alice's revamp CRT since of the crud she pulled during VFC3 since I still haven't figured out if that is just range, hax, AP or all three. But again. That's that, and this is this.

 

[Dragopentling]

Also, generally stating “powerful” instead of something of a more ambiguous and empty description doesn’t make sense when Koharu, who is unremarkable compared to even the likes of Hasumi, was able to take out a few of those same Mimesis soldiers all by herself until help arrived. Also again, listen to how the Mimesis move and disappear…if that’s not something akin to a ghost, idk what is.

Check 25:19


If you must insist, though, you can keep your initial proposal to keep NPI, leaving in the part with Mimesis and ridding Soul/Concept (for now).

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Offscreen training, the events that Koharu took part in during Volume 3 just made her stronger over-time or Koharu and Hasumi just aren't that too far apart in terms of strength. Or all three. Or something else as Blue Archive just isn't the type of series that focus too much on power scaling... even if it did get infected by that type of brainrot when Hina vs. Hoshino was happening.

 

[Dragopentling]

Offscreen training, the events that Koharu took part in during Volume 3 just made her stronger over-time or Koharu and Hasumi just aren't that too far apart in terms of strength. Or all three. Or something else as Blue Archive just isn't the type of series that focus too much on power scaling... even if it did get infected by that type of brainrot when Hina vs. Hoshino was happening.

In that case. You can keep your very first proposed CRT like I stated before, though I personally don’t have much faith in that first part about off-screen training being enough of a difference maker to cause that scenario.

 

[Dragopentling]

That's that, and this is this. Translation 'side, we can agree that NPI can be crossed out and discarded from the CRT altogether... and Concept, Soul and NPI stuff you added has to be removed from profiles, again they were added without a CRT, but we'll cross that bridge later.

... Like the BA cosmology CRT that has to be done before Alice's revamp CRT since of the crud she pulled during VFC3 since I still haven't figured out if that is just range, hax, AP or all three. But again. That's that, and this is this.

I have the Alice volume F feat only at hax for now and that’s still very incomplete by itself tbf. I still need more rereading, tbf.

 

[Dragopentling]

NPI / Soul / Concept tag removal done.
That being said, I hate that there isn’t quite enough info despite all the strong implications there, plus the conflict between original lines and global translations. If you hit Search for “Blue Archive localization”, you’ll understand why I was stressing so much about it to begin with. Not saying official translations are completely untrustworthy, but it’s enough to make me have far less faith in them in fanmade or AI/machine-generated ones. Yes, most of the basic information we got for the profiles are from those official ones, anyways, those have been mostly accurate to begin with, anyways.

 

[OrangeFR]

Agree with everything but NPI

 

[Dragopentling]

Agree with everything but NPI

Elaborate?

 

[Dragopentling]

Checkmate. This is what it says in the original script. Even the Jp kanji doesnt say anything like "powerful" as the official translations say. Unless the original is somehow invalid now all cause official is "easier to read"?

Whelp, checkmate. NPI going back up soon, after all.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Checkmate. This is what it says in the original script. Even the Jp kanji doesnt say anything like "powerful" as the official translations say. Unless the original is somehow invalid now all cause official is "easier to read"?

Whelp, checkmate. NPI going back up soon, after all.

... What are you talking about.

Hasumi (EN): They're so powerful... And they don't show the slightest reaction even after sustaining all of those attacks...

Hasumi (Your translation): That power.... And no matter how much I fight, I can't feel anything in my hands, this strange feeling...

Hasumi (yanagikaze translation): That power.... and this peculiar sensation. It never feels like I'm hitting anything...

All of these comments from Hasumi share the same "general" idea; of the Justina mobs actually having a note-worthy amount of power to Hasumi, and them seemingly not reacting to her attacks. That's all there is to it. Furthermore, if a student can "hit" a ghost, then, Myouki Kurokage, who itself is stated to be a ghost that can't be harmed because it's a ghost and Nagusa needing Great Prophet Kuzunoha's approval via the White Lotus to actually harm it, would a moot point entirely.

 

[Dragopentling]

Fyi not my translation, it's auto translate from YouTube.

Also no, it doesn't deny them being essentially undead, hell they disappear like most depiction ghosts in fiction when you defeat them as I've linked to before.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... You got a link for this? I've been trying to find videos for BA that are in raw JP text for awhile now.

Unless you've a direct quote that states they are a ghost that are also stated directly to be intangible, that also doesn't go against the narrative of V5C1, it doesn't really count, imo. They are just enemies that can appear out of thin-air and disappear after they are defeated.

 

[Dragopentling]

... You got a link for this? I've been trying to find videos for BA that are in raw JP text for awhile now.

Unless you've a direct quote that states they are a ghost that are also stated directly to be intangible, that also doesn't go against the narrative of V5C1, it doesn't really count, imo. They are just enemies that can appear out of thin-air and disappear after they are defeated.

Link specifically for what?
Also EN localization interpreted the lines horribly, thinking "peculiar sensation" and "not feeling anything" is akin to them "not flinching"...when it was intended originally to describe the non tangible matter of trying to interact with a ghost.

Also no, the Kurokage one feels like plot stupidity, but I'll reread that jic, ig.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

The video you got the V3EP3 YouTube closed captions translation from.

... Are you sure you aren't overthinking this. Again, Kuokage itself stands in direct proof that the cast can't interact with ghosts unless outside help is in play, I.e, Kuzunoha, so that's that. Anyways, i'mma not adding NPI back and sticking to my interpretation of the Justina mobs just being strong and tough.

 

[Dragopentling]

The video you got the V3EP3 YouTube closed captions translation from.

... Are you sure you aren't overthinking this. Again, Kuokage itself stands in direct proof that the cast can't interact with ghosts unless outside help is in play, I.e, Kuzunoha, so that's that. Anyways, i'mma not adding NPI back and sticking to my interpretation of the Justina mobs just being strong and tough.

And that interpretation is more or less wrong, still. Also, ain't Perorodzilla's case not that much different from Kurokage, then? Kurokage's case felt more like the situation with anime King Ghidorah, cause Shuro also gained invulnerability that wasn't naturally hers when she forcefully invoked Kurokage.

That being said, I will also do in kind and be adamant about the notion that “just load them up with tons of bullets and ammunition and call it a day” is just bogus, especially since majority of their firearms can’t even fire off a lot of ammunition at a time to begin with, plus as indicated, each battle is a race against time, so the purely conventional I approach doesn’t hold up quite well.

 

[OrangeFR]

Elaborate?

Since it was crossed out I was under the assumption that it was agreed to be unusable, so I didn’t actually read it. It actually seems good to me.

 

[Dragopentling]

Since it was crossed out I was under the assumption that it was agreed to be unusable, so I didn’t actually read it. It actually seems good to me.

I see. Right now I'm too mentally exhausted to even discuss it any further since now there's a problematic discrepancy between original lines with fansubs / auto translation vs official localized version (latter of which has been under notable criticism for a very long time up til now)