Blizzard verses need help

[Arkenis]

Stadium goes against most of what the game has in common with the lore.

Like what? Idk anything for lore

 

[Hixkaryana]

Like what? Idk anything for lore

Like most characters’ abilities. For instance Ashe can summon a baby B.O.B in Stadium, she can’t do that lorewise.

 

[Arkenis]

Like most characters’ abilities. For instance Ashe can summon a baby B.O.B in Stadium, she can’t do that lorewise.

When's it stated she can't do that in lore?

 

[Hixkaryana]

When's it stated she can't do that in lore?

B.O.B is a singular omnic that she owns, he’s one size only, she can’t shrink him

 

[Arkenis]

B.O.B is a singular omnic that she owns, he’s one size only, she can’t shrink him

It's a baby bob, why can't there just me a mini one in lore that hasn't been mentioned yet?

 

[Jinx666]

Could just potentially be an alternate model she has of him rather than outright shrinking him. I dont think its a canon thing she has either tbh but its nothing completely denied in-lore either.
Its an ability based on Ultimate charge though, which in-lore mostly isnt a thing (having to wait or charge up to use those ultimate abilities.) I doubt it has bearing on abilities like Moira's ability to make multiple of her death balls. It can be talked about case-by-case or have notes made about it potentially?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Y’all can’t be serious we shouldn’t go on the basis that Stadium is canon because it hasn’t been disproven in the lore. Assuming Ashe has multiple models of B.O.B is silly.

 

[Jinx666]

Not saying stadium is canon, but it instead can reflect more on a character's versatility on their abilities that the standard game cant.

Having a mini-B.O.B is something Stadium gives a basis to say she has one (and is likely only smaller so its obvious to opponents what ability it is for gameplay reason). What should be looked for now is if theres any lore content that references stadium abilities`to support/debunk it

 

[Arkenis]

Could just potentially be an alternate model she has of him rather than outright shrinking him. I dont think its a canon thing she has either tbh but its nothing completely denied in-lore either.
Its an ability based on Ultimate charge though, which in-lore mostly isnt a thing (having to wait or charge up to use those ultimate abilities.) I doubt it has bearing on abilities like Moira's ability to make multiple of her death balls. It can be talked about case-by-case or have notes made about it potentially?

Yea pretty much.

Y’all can’t be serious we shouldn’t go on the basis that Stadium is canon because it hasn’t been disproven in the lore. Assuming Ashe has multiple models of B.O.B is silly.

What? If something hasn't been contradicted in the lore and is right in the game then why would we ignore it? Is there a reason besides the absence of it in lore, that it doesn't exist?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Not saying stadium is canon, but it instead can reflect more on a character's versatility on their abilities that the standard game cant.

Having a mini-B.O.B is something Stadium gives a basis to say she has one (and is likely only smaller so its obvious to opponents what ability it is for gameplay reason). What should be looked for now is if theres any lore content that references stadium abilities`to support/debunk it

I don’t think we should do that either.
Stadium is clearly designed as a fast-paced, high intensity mode where abilities are intentionally exaggerated or upgraded to create a new and more interactive gameplay. Those changes exist to serve the mode itself, not to reveal some “truer” version of each character’s power.

 

[Hixkaryana]

What? If something hasn't been contradicted in the lore and is right in the game then why would we ignore it? Is there a reason besides the absence of it in lore, that it doesn't exist?

Because it’s a mode? Should we add April Fools’ event and all it came with into the equation as well?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gonna agree with Hix here. I'm all for more versatility, but we really should have something solid stating that Stadium reflects their versatility in lore. Even random WoG or an ability being reflected in a short story.

 

[Arkenis]

Because it’s a mode? Should we add April Fools’ event and all it came with into the equation as well?

I don't remember that event. But I don't know why we'd ignore a games add ons. If that's a standard then by all means do it that way.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Scale everyone to Doomfist, Vendetta, and Mauga, then. I mean directly to them. Ignore every bit of lore where Doomfist one-shots someone or something for acting unwise. Gameplay can do iffy shit in Overwatch people. That's why I spent meticulous time going out of my way and finding scaling for everyone I did. Baseline feat for the cast is 9-B.

 

[Arkenis]

If there's some ability in stadium or perk that contradicts the lore then I guess that's fine.

 

[Jinx666]

Stadium being a game mode focused on a skill-tree shouldnt really disprove that the characters cant canonically have access to those upgrades either. Obviously gameplay cant 1:1 reflect the characters' in-lore power level or capabilities either for the base game.

And theres no comparison to be made because April Fools is outright a joke, while Stadium is a seriously designed mode.

Its also heavily implied that stadium abilities were just reusing abilities that were made for the scrapped PvE content, which in that case would've definitely be considered canon (at least for the first batch of heroes added? Dont think that counts for Ashe)

 

[Hixkaryana]

If there's some ability in stadium or perk that contradicts the lore then I guess that's fine.

If we did that we’d find a lot of contradictions, which would be enough to discredit the mode entirely.

 

[Jinx666]

If we did that we’d find a lot of contradictions, which would be enough to discredit the mode entirely.

Should probably find them then so we can reach an outright proven consensus tbh.

Then again we're neck deep into a new era of lore, Vendetta is coming to Stadium who is going to have a lot more focus in upcoming stuff so maybe we should stay tuned. They might just show off/reference some of her new abilities outside of her kit for the sake of continuing to make her look like a prominent fighter.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Should probably find them then so we can reach an outright proven consensus tbh.

Then again we're neck deep into a new era of lore, Vendetta is coming to Stadium who is going to have a lot more focus in upcoming stuff so maybe we should stay tuned. They might just show off/reference some of her new abilities outside of her kit for the sake of continuing to make her look like a prominent fighter.

I definitely will look at every ability thoroughly! I still think our only sources of scaling should be the standard gameplay, cinematics and comics.

 

[Jinx666]

They will be, but I think there could be a place for separately mentioning Stadium, like in 'Optional Equipment' or another tab in Notable Attacks/Techniques.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If there's some ability in stadium or perk that contradicts the lore then I guess that's fine.

Stadium being a game mode focused on a skill-tree shouldnt really disprove that the characters cant canonically have access to those upgrades either. Obviously gameplay cant 1:1 reflect the characters' in-lore power level or capabilities either for the base game.

That's not my requirement, I need something, people! I can't just say "I like it so it's fine", ya need rock solid reasoning, or at least some reasoning beyond wanting more versatility. I can't just say somethings Canon or Non-canon for no reason, nor can I play fast and loose with shit that is canon that I don't like.

Find something in the many short stories reflecting whats done in stadium, and maybe you can srgue a little for it. But if a hardass mod looks at it right now it'd disintegrate instantly.

They will be, but I think there could be a place for separately mentioning Stadium separately, like in 'Optional Equipment' or separately tabbed Attacks/Techniques.

Doesn't solve a damn thing.

If we did that we’d find a lot of contradictions, which would be enough to discredit the mode entirely.

Not using something isn't a contradiction.

I definitely will look at every ability thoroughly! I still think our only sources of scaling should be the standard gameplay, cinematics and comics.

And short stories... gameplay should be used for abilities, interactions, and little else.

 

[Arkenis]

Find something in the many short stories reflecting whats done in stadium, and maybe you can srgue a little for it. But if a hardass mod looks at it right now it'd disintegrate instantly.

I don't know how canon and non canon shit works for games, so if add ons aren't usable then we can forget it is how I feel.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't know how canon and non canon shit works for games, so if add ons aren't usable then we can forget it is how I feel.

It's very case-by-case, but especially for something with as much lore as Overwatch, Gameplay is really going to be at the wayside when trying to scale. If you don't, you get a League of Legends situation where basically everyone scales to everyone.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Not using something isn't a contradiction.

That’s not what I meant by contradictions. For example, D.Va can release lava in stadium when she self-destructs, that never happened in her cinematic and there’s no chamber to store lava in her mech’s design. That’s what I call a contradiction.

And short stories... gameplay should be used for abilities, interactions, and little else.

Yeah I engulfed that with the term cinematics.

 

[Jinx666]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/overwatch-general-discussion-thread.188084/

Made a General Discussion Thread for Overwatch, can hopefully gain some more traction alongside the new Season 1 and Lore changes