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Bleach possible upgrades

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1. I thought the Almighty doesn't give AP, durability or speed, it is just hax. If this is the case, then shouldn't Ichibei also be Moon level since he fought with Yhwach pre-Almighty?

2. Quite a while ago there was a thread concerning gremmy's meteorite. It involved a direct statement from the movie Fade to Black (which has direct author involvement ) which confirmed the soul society to have a 400 spirit mile diameter. Now if 1 spirit mile is 2.4miles... (the rest is from this thread, ignore the first two points). If we get direct statements, why aren't they used for a calc rather than some pixel scaling? The reason the thread was closed was because there was already a calc, but that doesn't mean the calc shouldn't get redone if there is better evidence rather than pixel scaling? There is even a statement by Yorouichi in the manga saying it takes the normal human 10 days to walk from one gate of the sereitei from another. Why isn't this used for the calc rather pixel scaling?

I'm not ranting but I'd just like to hear your thoughts and for the calc to be redone if need be.
 
Yhwach's 5-C feat is from after he absorbed Mimihagi and the Soul King, which definitely gave him a boost to his AP, durability, and speed.
 
Promestein said:
Yhwach's 5-C feat is from after he absorbed Mimihagi and the Soul King, which definitely gave him a boost to his AP, durability, and speed.
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Understood. But what of the 2nd point?
 
Kubo was still involved, so it counts. I'm pretty sure if he had a problem with anything said during the movie it would have been changed.

I still dont understand why we were using pixel scaling in the first place when we have a direct statement from yoruichi confirming it takes a human 10 days to walk from one end to another.
 
@The4Godlike

It's not like we don't like to do work. We just don't want to do unnecessary work. For a verse as popular (or at least, well known) as Bleach we need a lot of input to make widespread changes like this.
 
Yah it is best you ask them to comment here as most of us really only know the surface of Bleach.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
On bleach other than kuu or aizen there are not many other people that would like to work on big change like this.
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I'm willing to put in the work and do the major changes (if any) to many Bleach profiles. But I am not a calc guy. I'm only good with canon material and power scaling in this series. Any changes that need to be implemented will have to be calc'ed and approved by the calc team and LordAizenSama first.
 
Soldier Blue said:
I'm willing to put in the work and do the major changes (if any) to many Bleach profiles. But I am not a calc guy. I'm only good with canon material and power scaling in this series. Any changes that need to be implemented will have to be calc'ed and approved by the calc team and LordAizenSama first.
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I wouldnt mind putting in the work either but as mentioned by others we need the approval first.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
Well the last similar upgrade Thread, he doesn't agree on this so he might not agree again.
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He said it's because a calc has already been done, then the thread was closed for some reason that I will never know.... Like so what if there is a calc already done for it when we can get a better, more accurate calc going off statements rather than pixel scaling. I dont see why it should be a problem since they used a statement to calculate the distance between the soul society and the royal realm for the yhwach elevating the vandenreich calc.
 
HokageMangaVox said:
What Promestein said. I support the movie statement, since Kubo was involve. However, is not canon.
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Using the 400 spirit mile movie calc and the manga yorouichi 10 day statement calc both result in roughly 1500km as a diameter, so nobody can really say it was an inflated result or anything like that lol. Guess we'll just have to wait for someone or calc member for some input.
 
We also have Yhwach stating that he is going to make a country of their own, base and showing Seireitei. The meteor was also calc at Country lvl.
 
Pixel scaling is always > statements.

Yhwach saying hes creating a country is irrelevant. What he thinks a country is does not equal what we think a country is.

And i'm against using a contradictory statement from a non canon movie that serves no reason but to inflate character statistics which can undermine the legitimacy of their statistics, just because kubo had designed some characters for it and oversaw the voice acting.

And theres other cano statements we do not accept for these reasons, so yeah.
 
I agree with Aizen and Promestein.
 
LordAizenSama said:
Pixel scaling is always > statements.
Yhwach saying hes creating a country is irrelevant. What he thinks a country is does not equal what we think a country is.

And i'm against using a contradictory statement from a non canon movie that serves no reason but to inflate character statistics which can undermine the legitimacy of their statistics, just because kubo had designed some characters for it and oversaw the voice acting.

And theres other cano statements we do not accept for these reasons, so yeah.
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With all due respect, I don't know why on earth pixel scaling would ever be more accurate than statements taken directly from the manga, so I'd actually appreciate it if you could enlighten me on that?

And what is the statement that yoruichi said in the manga regarding it taking 10 days from one gate to another contradicting exactly? What are these reasons you wouldn't accept canon statements and would rather use pixel scale?
 
Let's see i tell you i'm 210 cm tall but you meassure me to be 190 cm, which one would seem more reliable?
 
Kkapoios said:
Let's see i tell you i'm 210 cm tall but you meassure me to be 190 cm, which one would seem more reliable?
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If the Doctor meassure you at 210 cm, and someone with bad background scaling meassures you at 190 cm, which one would seem more reliable? It goes both ways. Up until today, I still haven't seen a circle drawn right by Kubo. More evidence, take the distance Ichibei said, and the pixel scaling from the palace they don't match.
 
Kkapoios said:
Let's see i tell you i'm 210 cm tall but you meassure me to be 190 cm, which one would seem more reliable?
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I'm pretty sure Kubo didn't draw pictures of the soul society with then intent of it being measured, otherwise why would he contradict himself with the statements? I'm sure as hell he wasn't measuring the size of each scan and scaling it to real life. He's stated in the manga how long it takes to traverse certain places in the bleach verse, more than likely so we have an idea of how big the places are.
 
And to be honest if anything the doctor example works better the other way around. Kubo is actually the doctor as he is the author of the manga and has more knowledge than any of us, while we as readers can only take his word for it as it's his manga, not ours.
 
So your point is let's not count any calc ever made because authors don't know how big they are drawing their stuff or how strong they are making their characters.

That's not how this works.

Calcs > Statements that's one of the most basic things this wiki is based on.
 
What? I don't know how I implied that lol. I said that the author knows more than us, of course he knows how big places in his own manga are and I'm certain he's tried telling us this these statements. You tell me, why would he randomly just give us these figures for no reason?

I'm not saying lets not count calcs. Calcs are of course useful for when the author hasn't given us enough information to be sure, or if there is obvious hyperbole etc. I am actually asking us to use calcs in my initial argument, I just asked for it to be redone because there are always more accurate ways of figuring something out in just about anything.

All I am asking is for this calc to be done based on actual canon material (which makes sense), rather than reducing the accuracy of the calc by using scalings from drawings which didn't have the measuring intent in mind. Lets be honest here, I'm pretty sure Kubo knows that it doesnt take 10 days to walk 50 odd kilometers in between gates, even if walking at average human pace, and these are people like yoruichi, ichigo etc...
 
The moon calc for DBZ was re-calced once Toriyama said in an interview that the moon was the same size as ours. Where is the Calc>Statement then? Since you redo it.
 
I agree with Kkapoios.
 
Ok, I'll just assume you guys believe that Kubo thinks it takes 10 whole days for a group of superhumans to walk about 50 odd kilometres and call it a day :|
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Following the size suggested, then people lives on city sized houses and with gigantic windows...
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And why would you assume that without pixel scaling? Because I'm pretty sure you can't count the number of buildings in the sereitei.

10 days to walk 50ish kilometres is obviously an anomalous result, I don't know why it was even considered.
 
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