The anime does not have the timeframe for Ichigo's fall anymore, so this is a non issue
The ground has gravity and atmosphere seemingly identical to earth. It even grows trees like earth, has a water cycle like earth, and houses (the souls of) humans. And even despite seeing countless humans like Orihime and Chad walking through SS, we never see them even hint at differences between things like atmospheric pressure or gravitational pull in SS.
There already is...
Multiply jogging speed by a week I guess
Que? It’s clearly over the AT MOST 6 minutes required to fall from the atmosphere
iirc can’t you just use the freefall time for Ichigo as a basis to grasp distance?
Again, different laws. The SS ground is structurally different from Earth and it's not even a planet at all as proved above. The laws being different than WotL would explain all that.
It's not a planet in the first place, at least not in the way you try to portray it. And we don't know its size unless you want to talk about Muken
Debatable
I'd say it's the opposite here, like the OP which ignores 95% of the context about Soul Society to argue for ridiculously low values. As it was already pointed out in this thread, Ichigo wouldn't even have taken 10 minutes of free falling if it was 50-80 km. And he didn't free fall at all, he used shunpo.
There being dimensional barriers debunks the assumption that it's capped by the planets atmosphere.....
Yea and also I'm pretty sure when Aizen was trying to bring down the Royal Palace, his Reiatsu wasn't just gonna cross dimensions lol.
You can argue the seals prevent him from doing it but his reiatsu did already cross dimensions
Do we have any specifics on what "different laws" actually refers to here? Because as far as I remember there's nothing noticeably different about SSs laws of physics - like I said humans regularly go to SS and soul reapers regularly go to WOTL and neither ever point out any differences.
You're being pointlessly pedantic. For all intents and purposes it acts like planet earth.
Not debatable whatsoever if you ask me. If the author draws a castle floating slightly above clouds of an earth-like place then it's very obvious they're not intending it to be dozen million kilometers away.
It doesn't. It only "argues ridiculously low values" because there's no better replacement suggested yet.
This is just a strawman because the 50-80km isn't proposed as the sole set-in-stone value but as a replacement in case no better method is found.
Genuinely doesn't support millions of kilometers whatsoever. Hell given its an upstair run and that they probably have to rest and can't run at top speed constantly I'd say such a low timeframe goes AGAINST the current distance
That's not even remotely true, what?
For how long was he falling off?
Can we not use shunpo to get the distance? i mean og calc uses Ichigo travel speed is faster than lightningYeah
Yeah, 50–80 km is just wrong for anyone who has read Bleach.
Brother if there crossing a dimension at some point the presence of clouds before outer space isn't a debunk anymore, because there crossing into a diff space
I like your methods. But I have a question, why do you guys need that distance if the place is located on a different dimension?
That's such a weird non sequitur (haha big nerd words).
9 hours 15 mins but atp you probs already know
Because after Ichigo broke the dimensional barrier, we see Yhwach launching two types of long-range attacks: one is Auswählen, and the other is a blast formed from the Soul King’s power. These attacks happen very quickly and they travel and reach all the way down from the Soul King Palace to Seiretei, likely within seconds.
I've seen people use the time on the clock tower to calculate it. This is the time when the quincies invaded the Seireitei, Ichigo started falling three hours later and we can see the time when he reached the ground.
Okay. So for your method, we see Ichigo hitting the speed of sound, but is that by the end of his travel or the beginning of? If it’s the end it probably means his speed wasn’t constant.
We see him breaking the sound barrier the very first second he start to travel as well, so likely, the sound speed is a lowball since it means he never increased the speed since the start. But that's one of the thing we can use.
He immediately breaks the sound barrier in the anime iirc
He did that at the beginning
Ri can vary immensely in value, what value are you using exactly?
Even this would again put it far into outer space
Also I wanted to point out that 1000 ri statements shouldn't be used to find a literal distance since it's a common way in japan to say a long distance.
???? Ri is a unit of measurement, they have a specific length, no?
You don't know what are the stats of a soul… Also, gravity could be one of them. If you want other laws that are different, you could check thermodynamics and what would actually happen irl if an object would rapidly go to absolute 0
You don't know that, just as you don't know Soul Society's size.
All I'm saying is that it is completely different, both shape and size wise.
Once and forever, different laws. Is this the first time you ever hear about a flat realm in fiction? At least Kubo did bring the justification of it having different laws, other authors don't even do that.
It's up to you to prove it would be crushed following Soul Society's laws
It's more than slightly and the place is explicitly extremely different from Earth. Genuinely, without Muken, you have no way to determine its size.
There is still no reason to do that and better replacements can easily be found such as using a week of shunpo speed keeping in mind it's a spiral and measuring its radius and angle to determine what the vertical distance is
Slightly lowballed?? It wouldn't even take 10 minutes to reach earth free falling from that distance, it took ichigo like half a day while dashing at full speed. The value in the OP is far worse than the already existing one
It's still what the OP argues for. There's no strawman here except yours about it having some similarities to Earth as of that would prove its size or about gravity crushing it.
I'm not saying the current rating is perfect, just saying the debunk in the OP is baseless if you apply even a tiny bit of scrunity. It relies on more asumptions(and wrong while we are at it) than the already existing value.
Ichigo doesn't have to rest, he can already run on a threadmill for an entire week without a break since before Hueco Mundo arc. Isshin could continuously do the job of 4 soul reapers for 2000 hours without a break. Unohana can fight for 3 days without any break while continuously healing herself and Zaraki. Pre SS arc Ichigo coukd fight wothout a break for 5 days. They do have the stamina.
Bro where do you guys come up with this stuff? This is unit of measurement used in Bleach since Soul Society arc. We literally know what 1 ri is in kilometers smh.
Its a unit of measurement in korea, china, japan, with different values
