Black Hat Upgrade

[Tr&Lokumu]

SPEED
Black Hot always says that they do these things to keep up with Black Hat, he wants to be at his level Black hat is superior to Black hot by a large margin, it is a weaker Black hat clone, its speed should be compared to Black hot.

Black Hot Speed;
This feat was achieved in 05:42:12 minutes. This impact came at 05:43:28. 24 fps i.e. 1.5 seconds.
Distance Sol-Tierra: 149,597,870,000m.
Speed: 149597870000 / 1.5 = 99731913333.33m/ie
Mftl provides speed
HAX
•Existence and evil,passive corruption stated as corroding the sea around the island
•Crossover erased Aku from existence to punish him he can remember Aku after erasing all traces of his existence. He is not affected by changes in the past after the action he has committed. Flug cannot remember Aku afterwards. Type 1 causality and erasure from existence.
•Being around Black Hat In causes people to turn into loyal slaves frenzy manipulation.)
•9:09 There is chaos manipulation in the meantime (described by Aldo Maldonado as "Reflecting the sun as a barrier of protection against the darkness itself, And order... and fear... KOAS")
•Black Hat is clearly affected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is sunbathing in the meteor shower.Black Hat is clearly unaffected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is basking in the meteor shower.

Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm.

Characters with such powers may not be affected by normal attacks and will receive Invulnerability
•Heard Demencia message outside orbit Adds enhanced senses
•It is also stated that the puppet form is summoned by the puppet form acting as a container.possible avatar creation

RANGE
Black Hat ties in all over other crossover verses The boundaries of these crossover multiverses are unknown and Black Hat interacts on these multiverses This could open portals to multiverses Shouldn't range be multiverse level?

 

[Thelastmlg]

The speed feat was him throwing a gym into the sun, it does not scale to his speed at all, is just a incalculable strength feat

You should put the time stamps for the videos, especially when they are 20 minutes long

 

[Tr&Lokumu]

Actually the calc I showed will meet this speed and what is your comment about other things?

 

[DaReaperMan]

SPEED
Black Hot always says that they do these things to keep up with Black Hat, he wants to be at his level Black hat is superior to Black hot by a large margin, it is a weaker Black hat clone, its speed should be compared to Black hot.

Black Hot Speed;
This feat was achieved in 05:42:12 minutes. This impact came at 05:43:28. 24 fps i.e. 1.5 seconds.
Distance Sol-Tierra: 149,597,870,000m.
Speed: 149597870000 / 1.5 = 99731913333.33m/ie
Mftl provides speed

Throwing a gym doesn't scale to normal speed

plus Black Hat already has a much better attack speed Feat in the Black Hat Magisword.

HAX
•Existence and evil,passive corruption stated as corroding the sea around the island

Wait for the episode to come out.

•Crossover erased Aku from existence to punish him he can remember Aku after erasing all traces of his existence. He is not affected by changes in the past after the action he has committed. Flug cannot remember Aku afterwards. Type 1 causality and erasure from existence.

Sure, fine I guess, I'm no expert though.

•Being around Black Hat In causes people to turn into loyal slaves frenzy manipulation.)

That's already on his profile.

•9:09 There is chaos manipulation in the meantime (described by Aldo Maldonado as "Reflecting the sun as a barrier of protection against the darkness itself, And order... and fear... KOAS")

I don't think this is sufficient for Chaos Manipulation.

•Black Hat is clearly affected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is sunbathing in the meteor shower.Black Hat is clearly unaffected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is basking in the meteor shower.

Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm.

No thats Black Hat having Low 2-C durability and Heat Resistance, also I can't find the specific comic.

Characters with such powers may not be affected by normal attacks and will receive Invulnerability

Not if said character can literally eat a timeline bust to the face and be fine.

•Heard Demencia message outside orbit Adds enhanced senses

Yes.

•It is also stated that the puppet form is summoned by the puppet form acting as a container.possible avatar creation

This sentence is Incoherent but Avatar Creation is fine.

RANGE
Black Hat ties in all over other crossover verses The boundaries of these crossover multiverses are unknown and Black Hat interacts on these multiverses This could open portals to multiverses Shouldn't range be multiverse level?

We don't know how he does this, could be Flug's tech for all we know.

 

[Aolphl]

Dude... Do you know how CRTs work? Do you know how a CRT is created? None of the videos here have a timestamp either, and some videos are more than 10 minutes long. You're forcing we to watch the whole video for one scene. Pls review the pages I will leave and learn how to create a Crt.

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SPEED
Black Hot always says that they do these things to keep up with Black Hat, he wants to be at his level Black hat is superior to Black hot by a large margin, it is a weaker Black hat clone, its speed should be compared to Black hot.

Black Hot Speed;
This feat was achieved in 05:42:12 minutes. This impact came at 05:43:28. 24 fps i.e. 1.5 seconds.
Distance Sol-Tierra: 149,597,870,000m.
Speed: 149597870000 / 1.5 = 99731913333.33m/ie
Mftl provides speed

First of all, you need to have it approved by a Calc staff, if a Calc staff does not approve it, no one can take it into consideration. And in addition, if I have to express my opinion about this, it just looks like Attack Speed. So there is no reason for Black Hat to scale up to this. To give an example from our wiki; Alien X will be the best example of this. Alien X is currently listed as having Attack Speed (Because it carries galactic mass throughout the infinite universe.). And he himself, after this feat, fights against the Galactic Gladiator on equal terms. But neither of them scales to this Feat. I hope I can explain.

•Existence and evil,passive corruption stated as corroding the sea around the island
•Crossover erased Aku from existence to punish him he can remember Aku after erasing all traces of his existence. He is not affected by changes in the past after the action he has committed. Flug cannot remember Aku afterwards. Type 1 causality and erasure from existence.

No, we're not doing that. If any character Deletes another character from Existence, we don't give him Aca1 directly, you have to prove that Black Hat remembers Aku.

Black Hat is clearly affected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is sunbathing in the meteor shower.Black Hat is clearly unaffected by the meteor shower coming towards him, he is basking in the meteor shower.

Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm.

Black Hat currently has a Low 2-C Dura, so this is unnecessary.

•It is also stated that the puppet form is summoned by the puppet form acting as a container.possible avatar creation

Needs timestamp

Black Hat ties in all over other crossover verses The boundaries of these crossover multiverses are unknown and Black Hat interacts on these multiverses This could open portals to multiverses Shouldn't range be multiverse level?

Black Hat already has Multiverse range, so this is unnecessary.

9:09 There is chaos manipulation in the meantime (described by Aldo Maldonado as "Reflecting the sun as a barrier of protection against the darkness itself, And order... and fear... KOAS")

I don't think this is sufficient for Chaos Manipulation

Fra

Existence and evil,passive corruption stated as corroding the sea around the island

The episode needs to be published.

 

[Tr&Lokumu]

I'm sorry for the late reply

Throwing a gym doesn't scale to normal speed

The factor I gave covers this

Wait for the episode to come out

This sketch was shown anyway, this is a talent he showed

I don't think this is sufficient for Chaos Manipulation

Aldo Maldonado has already stated that he needs to meet this chaos manipulation

No thats Black Hat having Low 2-C durability and Heat Resistance, also I can't find the specific comic.

I don't understand how you deduced a low 2C durability from the argument I presented. The factors I mentioned are encountered.

We don't know how he does this, could be Flug's tech for all we know

Black Hat doesn't do this with Flug's technology

 

[Jason_Courne]

I don't know spanish so take it with a grain of salt

I agree with most of these, Existence Erasure makes sense and Black Hat should get Acausality due to stating it would be like Aku had never existed (meaning he still has knowledge of Aku, despite him being erased from existence)

"En el efecto a que merceria un castigo postumamente jefecito ese tonto sello su destino desde el momento en que envio al samurai al futuro pronto doctor se dara cuenta de que todo por lo aqui trabajo tanto tiempo se esfuma como si nunca hubieras."

Google translate: "In the effect that a posthumous punishment would merit little, that fool sealed his destiny from the moment he sent the samurai to the future, soon he will realize everything he worked for so long here disappears as if it had never existed"
Shown as Aku is erased from a photograph of him, Him, and Black Hat

I think Evil Existence should be applied as a Possibly ability since it hasn't been yet shown in the show (and things could change during development), but WoG would be enough to justify it possibly existing

also I can't find the specific comic.

It's this one

Idk about Chaos manipulation or Range

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm sorry for the late reply

I don't really care, patience is a virtue.

The factor I gave covers this

That factor still doesn't matter, why would we put that feat on the profile when Black Hat himself has literally done better like thrice now?

This sketch was shown anyway, this is a talent he showed

Does not matter. Wait for the episode to come out. This is the end of my words on the matter.

Aldo Maldonado has already stated that he needs to meet this chaos manipulation

Which isn't sufficient proof for a frankly ridiculously hard power to get.

I don't understand how you deduced a low 2C durability from the argument I presented. The factors I mentioned are encountered.

Black Hat

Black Hat may refer to: The character from Villainous The character from xkcd

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Read. Understand. Black Hat caused Pompei's eruption for God's sake, he's literally done way, way better.

Black Hat doesn't do this with Flug's technology

How do you know? Plus, as said above, BH already has multiversal range.

It's this one

Okay so yeah literally nothing.

 

[Aolphl]

Existence Erasure makes sense and Black Hat should get Acausality due to stating it would be like Aku had never existed (meaning he still has knowledge of Aku, despite him being erased from existence)

This still does not prove that he remembered her after "Deleting" Aku. But after the Samurai Jack Crossover (In another Crossover episode), if Aku was mentioned in a scene, then that would be reason enough for Aca1.

think Evil Existence should be applied as a Possibly ability since it hasn't been yet shown in the show (and things could change during development), but WoG would be enough to justify it possibly existing

There is no reason for this to be listed as "Possibly", because the episode has not been broadcast yet, and as you said, this is a scene that can be changed later. So this is a wrong thing.

 

[Jason_Courne]

There is no reason for this to be listed as "Possibly", because the episode has not been broadcast yet, and as you said, this is a scene that can be changed later. So this is a wrong thing.

It's Black Hat remembering and actively mentioning Aku as he is actively being erased from existence (shown in the photo), so it should count towards possibly an Acausality addition

There is no reason for this to be listed as "Possibly", because the episode has not been broadcast yet, and as you said, this is a scene that can be changed later. So this is a wrong thing.

I'm just sorta on the fence about what should be done with it

 

[Aolphl]

It's Black Hat remembering and actively mentioning Aku as he is actively being erased from existence (shown in the photo), so it should count towards possibly an Acausality addition

When Aku is "deleted", Black Hat talks about him, yes, because it takes about 5 seconds to delete, it's normal to mention Aku during these 5 seconds, because Aku is still there during that 5-second period. The main thing that matters here is whether Black Hat remembers him after Aku's deletion is over.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Are the crossovers canon?

 

[Aolphl]

Are the crossovers canon?

Not for me, but the Wiki currently accepts it as Canon.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Not for me, but the Wiki currently accepts it as Canon.

It´s time for a downgrade!

 

[Aolphl]

It´s time for a downgrade!

I'm looking forward to seeing this.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I'm looking forward to seeing this.

I will cook immeasurable speed for Scooby-Doo and then i will do a downgrade

 

[DaReaperMan]

Are the crossovers canon?

One-sided Canon, but yes.

 

[Aolphl]

I will cook immeasurable speed for Scooby-Doo and then i will a downgrade

I'll wait

One-sided Canon, but yes.

Although the arguments for accepting it as a one-sided Canon are very absurd, there is nothing to do right now.

 

[Half_Shiny]

Not giving my two cents in till the CRT has been fixed. Here is the reason why the crossovers are canon

Black Hat low 2-C, FTL, and abilities upgrade

Currently there is a lock on the crossovers on the Villainous verse due to the fact they are non-canon, I am here to both disprove this and show its impact. The first wave of crossovers are canon due to the fact crossover episode 11 was shown in the first episode of the show (one above the...

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TL: DR basically the impacts show up across every medium they are in.

Edit: this has also made before the episode 2-6 came out with more showings

 

[Aolphl]

Not giving my two cents in till the CRT has been fixed. Here is the reason why the crossovers are canon

Black Hat low 2-C, FTL, and abilities upgrade

Currently there is a lock on the crossovers on the Villainous verse due to the fact they are non-canon, I am here to both disprove this and show its impact. The first wave of crossovers are canon due to the fact crossover episode 11 was shown in the first episode of the show (one above the...

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TL: DR basically the impacts show up across every medium they are in.

Edit: this has also made before the episode 2-6 came out with more showings

Yes, I know that, I can do something to debunk it in the future, but now is not the time. So you can enjoy this.

 

[Half_Shiny]

Yes, I know that, I can do something to debunk it in the future, but now is not the time. So you can enjoy this.

aight just ping me whenever this goes down. I honestly want to see what ya got

 

[Jason_Courne]

When Aku is "deleted", Black Hat talks about him, yes, because it takes about 5 seconds to delete, it's normal to mention Aku during these 5 seconds, because Aku is still there during that 5-second period. The main thing that matters here is whether Black Hat remembers him after Aku's deletion is over.

I think the Black Hat mentioning Aku being erased from time would lead to some form of causality awareness, but then again I might be wrong since I don't know Spanish

 

[Aolphl]

aight just ping me whenever this goes down. I honestly want to see what ya got

We made a contract here. You can be sure that I will call you when such a thing happens.

 

[Aolphl]

I think the Black Hat mentioning Aku being erased from time would lead to some form of causality awareness

AFTER Aku is deleted, you need to prove that Black Hat remembers him (it will be enough to mention Aku in another episode after the Samurai Jack crossover episode.)

 

[LaserPrecision]

I don't care too much for commenting on the CRT, but I was surprised to say that throwing an object at a certain speed doesn't scale to someone's speed... the speed and energy needed to be transferred into the object in question to give it that speed. It didn't magically obtain it by itself. So why wouldn't they scale to that speed? If anyone could fill me in, that'd be much appreciated.

 

[Half_Shiny]

AFTER Aku is deleted, you need to prove that Black Hat remembers him (it will be enough to mention Aku in another episode after the Samurai Jack crossover episode.)

Shown by the BHO organization as part of what a good plan looks like

English subtitled version found here (cannot time stamp though, 6:49)

 

[Aolphl]

Shown by the BHO organization as part of what a good plan looks like

English subtitled version found here (cannot time stamp though, 6:49)

Eh, that's enough

So why wouldn't they scale to that speed? If anyone could fill me in, that'd be much appreciated.

First of all, you need to have it approved by a Calc staff, if a Calc staff does not approve it, no one can take it into consideration. And in addition, if I have to express my opinion about this, it just looks like Attack Speed. So there is no reason for Black Hat to scale up to this. To give an example from our wiki; Alien X will be the best example of this. Alien X is currently listed as having Attack Speed (Because it carries galactic mass throughout the infinite universe.). And he himself, after this feat, fights against the Galactic Gladiator on equal terms. But neither of them scales to this Feat. I hope I can explain.

 

[Greenshifter]

Alien X uses TK rather than striking. Do we currently use Boros enveloping Saitama with his aura when he kicked him to the moon as a justification for his speed?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Do we currently use Boros enveloping Saitama with his aura when he kicked him to the moon as a justification for his speed?

I believe so, yeah.

 

[Greenshifter]

Then it’s not a good example, so nvm

 

[LaserPrecision]

Then it’s not a good example, so nvm

I might've misunderstood the question. I believe he's scaled in speed to how fast Saitama was knocked to the moon via kicking him. Not sure about the aura bit tho?

 

[Aolphl]

Alien X uses TK rather than striking. Do we currently use Boros enveloping Saitama with his aura when he kicked him to the moon as a justification for his speed?

I'm not someone who knows about Saitama. The reason I gave Alien X as an example is for this Attack Speed that Black Hot has. Alien X is currently fighting on equal terms with Galactic Gladiator, which he fought equally, despite having Infinite Attack Speed. But still, both characters do not have Infinite Speed, they only have Mftl+ Speed. So, as you can see, there is no reason for Black Hat to scale up to this in the same way. Also, this Speed that Black Hot has is only Mftl. But Black Hat is currently Mftl+, so this Calc is unnecessary for now.

 

[Greenshifter]

I might've misunderstood the question. I believe he's scaled in speed to how fast Saitama was knocked to the moon via kicking him. Not sure about the aura bit tho?

At one point the aura bit was what allowed his regular speed to scale to his kicking speed IIRC.

 

[LaserPrecision]

At one point the aura bit was what allowed his regular speed to scale to his kicking speed IIRC.

That is so weird tbh. An attack (a kick) NOT scaling to COMBAT speed. But if that's how the wiki operates for whatever reason, I'll leave it be.

 

[Greenshifter]

Pretty sure the standards on this change every year or so, best to ask KLOL what the current standards are.

 

[Thelastmlg]

okay so about the boros kick:

1. The contention is the kick scaling to saitama’s launch speed, not boros’ combat speed scaling to his kick

2. We scale boros to his kick i’m pretty sure, as the speed section mentions it, i think is due to his aura “propulsing” him which allows him to kick saitama that hard, i’m not sure

 

[Greenshifter]

Could just argue conservation of momentum tbh.

 

[LaserPrecision]

okay so about the boros kick:

1. The contention is the kick scaling to saitama’s launch speed, not boros’ combat speed scaling to his kick

2. We scale boros to his kick i’m pretty sure, as the speed section mentions it, i think is due to his aura “propulsing” him which allows him to kick saitama that hard, i’m not sure

If it was Boros' aura propelling Saitama that fast and not the kick itself, I can understand. But if it were the kick itself, I believe it SHOULD scale to combat speed. Boros GAVE Saitama that speed with his kick. The speed didn't arise from out of nowhere