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Hi y’all. This isn’t that profile overhaul for Eon that I’m still not done with (procrastination’s no joke lol), however there is one part of Eon’s profile that majorly bothers me.
Section 1: Eon
Looking at his profile, we can see this:
The highlighted part is what I take issue with: why only “possibly”? Not only is there nothing in the episode to contradict the claim, but if anything there’s a big thing supporting it. Professor Paradox treated it as a serious threat, and threatened to hunt Eon down should he have succeeded. If someone like Paradox treats a blatant threat to the timestream as serious, and there’s nothing else to contradict the threat, then the rating should be solid.
I will say though that the rating should probably be “potentially up to Low 1-C” rather than just “up to Low 1-C”, as while the statement should be considered fully valid it is still a level he never fully achieves in the episodeactually thinking about it, maybe that’s what the “possibly” is already meant to mean. However he would be extremely close to that level, so maybe just “up to Low 1-C” is fair in this case. Speaking of which…
Regardless of where amped Eon actually scales, we know Ultimate Ben scales to the level we see him at in the episode. He overpowers Eon’s Time Ray (1:58), takes an uppercut (0:46) and blocks a Time Ray with a mana shield for a few seconds (1:38). Furthermore, Eon specifically went to the past because Ben Prime was younger and less powerful, suggesting that defeating Ultimate Ben isn’t easy for him. The reason I mention this is because while Eon isn’t fully Low 1-C during the episode, he is only one Ben away out of many years worth (1:41) from reaching that level. As such I propose that Ultimate Ben could be upgraded to “At most Low 1-C” (Addendum: It was suggested in the thread that 2-A would be a more appropriate rating).
I’d also like to mention that everything surrounding this version of Ben 10K is extremely vague. Not only do we know basically nothing about the Ultimate Ben form, but we also know next to nothing else about this Ben or his adventures or any other tricks he might have. All this to say that Ultimate Ben being anything higher than Tier 4 shouldn’t directly affect any other Omnitrix transformation, at least from what I can think of.
However I would be remised to not mention that Ben 10K does also knock Eon back once while in base. There’s no way to really explain this away, however based on the fact that this is a sufficiently amped Eon that’s already blatantly comparable to this Ben 10K’s aliens I think it would make the most sense to just consider it an outlier. Also given how all Ben 10Ks would be comparable in human form, this would lead to a completely different convo about how OV Ben 10K is weaker than Maltruant, as well as how he takes audible damage from both Exo-Skull (0:40) and Vilgax (0:20). I don’t think this Low 1-C downscaling chain across the entire verse is all that reasonable, so I’d say to just ignore it.
For Eon, he should gain “potentially up to Low 1-C with Energy Absorption” in his Striking Strength section. This is simply for him tripping up Ultimate Ben with an uppercut, as while he’s not at full power yet it does show that his physical strength scales linearly with his other stats.
For Ben 10K, I’d like to remove his Ultimate Way Big key and add something like “higher with the powers of stronger aliens” to his Ultimate Ben key, as not only are two “At most Low 1-C” keys redundant but it also accounts for weaker powerhouses like Ultimate Humungousaur. He should also have “even higher with mana shields” in his Durability section.
So Striking Strength ratings can usually be used as Durability justifications, right? Since the character is withstanding the force of their own attack on their body and all. I just realised Feedback has 1-3 examples of doing exactly that, and I figured I’d just slap them in here since Ben 10 threads are kinda flooding the forum rn.
Most notably, he kicks Ultimate Humungousaur’s missile back to him after zapping him with his conductors and seemingly absorbing his energy. His arms’ punches can also harm Malgax and they can hold back Malgax’s energy blades (skip to 1:08 for the Feedback stuff). The Malgax ones are a bit more iffy since both of them involve some form of visible energy (though the blades are arguably a physical-enough construct) and Feedback already has a massive resistance to energy attacks, but I feel the Ultimate Hugh thing is pretty blatantly physical Striking Strength being buffed by his absorption (which means his Durability would be too).
This would change his Durability section to:
Section 1: Eon
Looking at his profile, we can see this:
The highlighted part is what I take issue with: why only “possibly”? Not only is there nothing in the episode to contradict the claim, but if anything there’s a big thing supporting it. Professor Paradox treated it as a serious threat, and threatened to hunt Eon down should he have succeeded. If someone like Paradox treats a blatant threat to the timestream as serious, and there’s nothing else to contradict the threat, then the rating should be solid.
I will say though that the rating should probably be “potentially up to Low 1-C” rather than just “up to Low 1-C”, as while the statement should be considered fully valid it is still a level he never fully achieves in the episode
- Agree: @Hellformer, @Reiner04, @Celestial_Scaler25, @Firestorm808, @DarkDragonMedeus
- Disagree:
- Neutral:
Regardless of where amped Eon actually scales, we know Ultimate Ben scales to the level we see him at in the episode. He overpowers Eon’s Time Ray (1:58), takes an uppercut (0:46) and blocks a Time Ray with a mana shield for a few seconds (1:38). Furthermore, Eon specifically went to the past because Ben Prime was younger and less powerful, suggesting that defeating Ultimate Ben isn’t easy for him. The reason I mention this is because while Eon isn’t fully Low 1-C during the episode, he is only one Ben away out of many years worth (1:41) from reaching that level. As such I propose that Ultimate Ben could be upgraded to “At most Low 1-C” (Addendum: It was suggested in the thread that 2-A would be a more appropriate rating).
I’d also like to mention that everything surrounding this version of Ben 10K is extremely vague. Not only do we know basically nothing about the Ultimate Ben form, but we also know next to nothing else about this Ben or his adventures or any other tricks he might have. All this to say that Ultimate Ben being anything higher than Tier 4 shouldn’t directly affect any other Omnitrix transformation, at least from what I can think of.
However I would be remised to not mention that Ben 10K does also knock Eon back once while in base. There’s no way to really explain this away, however based on the fact that this is a sufficiently amped Eon that’s already blatantly comparable to this Ben 10K’s aliens I think it would make the most sense to just consider it an outlier. Also given how all Ben 10Ks would be comparable in human form, this would lead to a completely different convo about how OV Ben 10K is weaker than Maltruant, as well as how he takes audible damage from both Exo-Skull (0:40) and Vilgax (0:20). I don’t think this Low 1-C downscaling chain across the entire verse is all that reasonable, so I’d say to just ignore it.
- Agree: @Reiner04, @Celestial_Scaler25 (With certain powers), @Firestorm808 (2-A instead of “at most”), @DarkDragonMedeus (2-A instead of “at most”
- Disagree: @Celestial_Scaler25 (Physically)
- Neutral: @Hellformer
For Eon, he should gain “potentially up to Low 1-C with Energy Absorption” in his Striking Strength section. This is simply for him tripping up Ultimate Ben with an uppercut, as while he’s not at full power yet it does show that his physical strength scales linearly with his other stats.
For Ben 10K, I’d like to remove his Ultimate Way Big key and add something like “higher with the powers of stronger aliens” to his Ultimate Ben key, as not only are two “At most Low 1-C” keys redundant but it also accounts for weaker powerhouses like Ultimate Humungousaur. He should also have “even higher with mana shields” in his Durability section.
- Agree: @Hellformer (Eon’s Striking Strength), @Reiner04, @Celestial_Scaler25 (Key merge), @Firestorm808 (only “likely” for Eon’s Striking Strength), @DarkDragonMedeus (only “likely” for Eon’s Striking Strength)
- Disagree:
- Neutral: @Celestial_Scaler25 (Eon’s Striking Strength)
So Striking Strength ratings can usually be used as Durability justifications, right? Since the character is withstanding the force of their own attack on their body and all. I just realised Feedback has 1-3 examples of doing exactly that, and I figured I’d just slap them in here since Ben 10 threads are kinda flooding the forum rn.
Most notably, he kicks Ultimate Humungousaur’s missile back to him after zapping him with his conductors and seemingly absorbing his energy. His arms’ punches can also harm Malgax and they can hold back Malgax’s energy blades (skip to 1:08 for the Feedback stuff). The Malgax ones are a bit more iffy since both of them involve some form of visible energy (though the blades are arguably a physical-enough construct) and Feedback already has a massive resistance to energy attacks, but I feel the Ultimate Hugh thing is pretty blatantly physical Striking Strength being buffed by his absorption (which means his Durability would be too).
This would change his Durability section to:
Also can we change the “at most”s in his profile to “up to”? I’m pretty sure that’s the standard phrasing.
- Agree: @Hellformer, @Reiner04, @Celestial_Scaler25, @Firestorm808 (disagrees with Ultimate Humungousaur reasoning), @DarkDragonMedeus (disagrees with Ultimate Humungousaur reasoning
- Disagree:
- Neutral:
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