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Batman Ability Additions

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This CRT is made to make 3 changes for Batman.

Pages for reference- Post-Flashpoint/Post-Crisis.

Legend- PF=Post-Flashpoint and PC=Post-Crisis.

1: Teleportation

So in Batman: The Murder Machine, Cyborg commented on how Batman can teleport and in Deathstroke #32, Batman actually teleported himself. So he should get Teleportation in his PF version. Pretty simple.

EDIT: So people are making the argument that the JL Teleporter isn't part of Batman's standard gear, but even if that is the case, Batman has other teleporters (Superman: Unchained #6) he can use to teleport to his Batcaves(Dark Days: The Forge #1). So he should still get Teleportation.

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Has been accepted!

2: Upgrade

This has to do with Richard Dragon, who, while stronger and faster than Bronze Tiger, shouldn't be overwhelmingly so(Richard Dragon #1). Batman has stalemated a slightly sloppy Bronze Tiger(Suicide Squad 1987 #62), and once even defeated him(Outsiders #50).

So Batman's PC version should either be possibly/likely 8-C or a solid 8-C


3: Dividing into two keys
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In Batman: Troika, Bruce became stronger than before(Batman Secret Files and Origins #1), even getting a new suit(Batman #515). After this point, the magnitude of Batman's feats also increased by a lot. For example, Pre-Troika, Batman struggled with a weakened KGBeast(Batman #418) while Post-Troika, Batman stomped him(Batman/Wildcat #3) multiple times(Batman: Blackgate- Isle of Men #1). Another good example is Killer Croc, who, Pre-Troika, had the advantage over Batman(Batman #358) and even nearly beat him(Batman #359) while Post-Troika, Batman(Batman 90-Page Giant Issue (1998) #2) casually(Hitman #3) beat(Batman: Gotham After Midnight #7) him(Batman: Gotham Knights #3)multiple times(Resurrection Man (1997) #7).

So I think it's made clear Batman had a power boost after Troika, and hence dividing his PC profile into "Pre-Troika" and "Post-Troika" makes sense to me.



Agree(Keys)- 4(1 staff)
 
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This has to do with Richard Dragon, who, while stronger and faster than Bronze Tiger, shouldn't be overwhelmingly so(Richard Dragon #1). Batman has stalemated a slightly sloppy Bronze Tiger(Suicide Squad 1987 #62), and once even defeated him(Outsiders #50).

So Batman's PC version should either be possibly/likely 8-C or a solid 8-C
Richard Dragon’s solo run doesn’t fit into Post-Crisis canon, completely contradicts Dragon’s pre-established history and isn’t even acknowledged outside of one issue of Birds of Prey. It shouldn’t be used for scaling.

Also all 8-C stats come from upscaling from Batman’s own 9-A+ calc (which comes from Detective Comics Vol. 1 #843, June 2007, so it’s Post-Troika). Batman himself cannot be 8-C when he is the source of the 9-A+ scaling.
 
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Richard Dragon’s solo run doesn’t fit into Post-Crisis canon, completely contradicts Dragon’s pre-established history and isn’t even acknowledged outside of one issue of Birds of Prey. It shouldn’t be used for scaling.
Oh my bad then, since Richard's profile had some things from his solo run I thought it was canon. The upgrade can be cancelled then.

But what do you think of Teleportation and the division into keys?
 
But what do you think of Teleportation and the division into keys?
In both scans, Batman is only able to teleport via the Justice League teleporter, not any of his of own gadgets. Plus the first scan is from a different universe and we can’t cross-scale those.

And as for the key split… as a concept, sure, the feats line up, but some of the logic seems a bit shaky.
This says that Bruce has a stronger arsenal, aka equipment, not that Bruce himself got stronger.

And then there’s another problem. A problem that makes the key split basically impossible to apply.

Every (Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight Vol. 1 #187, March 2005) single (Detective Comics Vol. 1 #743, April 2000) one (Detective Comics Vol. 1 #832, July 2007) of Batman’s 9-A feats are Post-Troika. So if we applied this revision as-is, we would have to put 90% of the Batman supporting cast and rogues gallery at Unknown.
 
In both scans, Batman is only able to teleport via the Justice League teleporter, not any of his of own gadgets.
Why wouldn't the JL teleporter count?
Plus the first scan is from a different universe and we can’t cross-scale those.
No, it's from the same canon, when Murder Machine came to Prime Earth. Murder Machine was able to reach the watchtower and the system registered him as Batman, and Cyborg wasn't surprised to see Batman teleporting in, he was rather ok, meaning Prime Earth Batman could teleport in as well.
This says that Bruce has a stronger arsenal, aka equipment, not that Bruce himself got stronger.
He got a new suit and was able to perform wayyyyyyyy better feats. The suit could have added some power.
And then there’s another problem. A problem that makes the key split basically impossible to apply.

Every (Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight Vol. 1 #187, March 2005) single (Detective Comics Vol. 1 #743, April 2000) one (Detective Comics Vol. 1 #832, July 2007) of Batman’s 9-A feats are Post-Troika. So if we applied this revision as-is, we would have to put 90% of the Batman supporting cast and rogues gallery at Unknown.
Can't we find new feats?
 
Why wouldn't the JL teleporter count?
Because it’s not really his own standard equipment? We don’t give teleportation to every member of the Justice League because they can access the teleporter.
and Cyborg wasn't surprised to see Batman teleporting in, he was rather ok, meaning Prime Earth Batman could teleport in as well.
Well, yeah… because he’s a Justice League member… so he has access to the teleporter.
Can't we find new feats?
Sure, if you want to go through all of Batman’s Pre-Troika comics to look for feats.
 
Neutral on key splitting. Batman's tier ultimately does come from his suit, but whether or not this remained consistent is my worry.
 
Because it’s not really his own standard equipment? We don’t give teleportation to every member of the Justice League because they can access the teleporter.
Okay, but he also has teleporters which helps him teleport to his batcaves(pretty sure you already know about those but can give you scans if you don't).

Sure, if you want to go through all of Batman’s Pre-Troika comics to look for feats.
I can't go through them all(for obvious reasons) but I can try finding some feats.
 
So if we applied this revision as-is, we would have to put 90% of the Batman supporting cast and rogues gallery at Unknown.
Ok so I checked some profiles and most characters are scaled from Post-Troika, only a few like KGBeast would be affected.
 
Ok so I checked some profiles and most characters are scaled from Post-Troika, only a few like KGBeast would be affected.
Batman’s own Pre-Troika key + the profiles that scale to said key + probably the profiles that scale to Batman without linking scans would all get yeeted down to Unknown unless we get a bunch of calcs done for them.
 
Batman’s own Pre-Troika key + the profiles that scale to said key + probably the profiles that scale to Batman without linking scans would all get yeeted down to Unknown unless we get a bunch of calcs done for them.
Ok so I have an idea, but just to confirm, Pre-Crisis feats can be used for Batman correct?
 
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