Batman vs Spider-Man (1-7-0) (GRACE)

[King_Dom470]

The Rules:
- Speed Equalized

• Battle takes place in new york
• Spider-noir is bloodlusted
• SBA for everything else

Batman: (Knifeman29)

Spider-man: (Doggo, JustANormalLemon, SeijiSetto, AnAverageUsername, Marvel_Champion_07, XSOULOFCINDERX, King_Dom470)

 

[Doggo]

No need to equalize speed when they are even

Noire seems to have the ap advantage, given he can kick down metal doors in comparison to Bats upscaling from a guy who destroyed a wooden door.

LS also foes to him since he has actual numbers while Bruce is baseline.

Both are even in skill and intelligence. Bats has homing attack and explosions, but Noir counters with precog

Voting for Spidey

 

[King_Dom470]

No need to equalize speed when they are even

Noire seems to have the ap advantage, given he can kick down metal doors in comparison to Bats upscaling from a guy who destroyed a wooden door.

LS also foes to him since he has actual numbers while Bruce is baseline.

Both are even in skill and intelligence. Bats has homing attack and explosions, but Noir counters with precog

Voting for Spidey

Counted and I equalized the speed because Batman had supersonic+ while noir only had supersonic

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Sounds fair argumentation to me, Noir fra. Spider senses are busted, and spider senses while holding a gun even more

 

[King_Dom470]

Sounds fair argumentation to me, Noir fra. Spider senses are busted, and spider senses while holding a gun even more

Counted

 

[Knifeman29]

I will vote Batman. He should have superior dura. He has faced opponents who have massive strength advantages in lifting and strength than him or noir. Going off of dialogue in the movie he knows the weak points of the body. And he is capable of fighting off multiple trained assassins with different fighting styles possibly giving him somewhat of a skill advantage. Also Homing Batarangs And Explosives which can do a lot of damage.

BTW how does the wiki treat Death In The Family? Different Or Same Character As Under The Red Hood?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I will vote Batman. He should have superior dura. He has faced opponents who have massive strength advantages in lifting and strength than him or noir. Going off of dialogue in the movie he knows the weak points of the body. And he is capable of fighting off multiple trained assassins with different fighting styles possibly giving him somewhat of a skill advantage. Also Homing Batarangs And Explosives which can do a lot of damage.

Spider senses basically nulifie this advantage, and well shooted gun can one shoot almost anyone

 

[JustANormalLemon]

BTW how does the wiki treat Death In The Family? Different Or Same Character As Under The Red Hood?

Almost sure we considere diferent characters

 

[Knifeman29]

Spider senses basically nulifie this advantage

Is his spider-sense as good as 616? are there any feats that he has to show he could dodge homing attacks

and well shooted gun can one shoot almost anyone

Yeah but Batman can just like dodge.

 

[SeijiSetto]

spidey with a gun FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yeah but Batman can just like dodge.

Same thing with spider, but he can do It better

Is his spider-sense as good as 616? are there any feats that he has to show he could dodge homing attacks

He can dodge bullets, I doubt a batrang is faster them that

 

[Knifeman29]

Same thing with spider, but he can do It better

Not my point. my point is any bullets Peter shoots he's just going to dodge,

He can dodge bullets, I doubt a batrang is faster them that

No. But if it homes in on you while you have to also fight batman then it's going to be a problem.

 

[SeijiSetto]

No. But if it homes in on you while you have to also fight batman then it's going to be a problem.

Wouldn't throwing batarangs be liable to get redirected with webs a la pumpkin bomb style?

 

[Knifeman29]

Wouldn't throwing batarangs be liable to get redirected with webs a la pumpkin bomb style?

Has he ever dealt with this situation before where he needed to dodged homing explosive? is there anything saying he is equal to 616 in terms of his skill and experience with certain things?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

With spider senses I doubt that Will be any harder to dodge the batrangs them a bullet, probable even easier sinse It's slower and spider senses would allow him to dodge whem the batrang is to close to change tragetory and hit him while dodging

 

[Knifeman29]

He's been tagged by bullets before and its constantly chasing you before it explodes, and which he can remotely activate his explosives so the moment it's close and he could just set it off, also still asking for proof that his spider-sense is on the level to do this against tech he is not familiar with, and peter probably wont immediately see coming especially since batman purposely misses with the homing batarang to take his opponents off guard.

 

[Knifeman29]

also I think Batman might have the ap advantage for staggering amazo

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He's been tagged by bullets before and its constantly chasing you before it explodes, and which he can remotely activate his explosives so the moment it's close and he could just set it off, also still asking for proof that his spider-sense is on the level to do this against tech he is not familiar with, and peter probably wont immediately see coming especially since batman purposely misses with the homing batarang to take his opponents off guard.

Okay, but this is one of many possible ways the battle can go, noir can use his web to trow the batrangs back to batman or glue them to walls, spider webs are much more spamable as well so he has a better chance of hitting batman with them, in terms of LS noir also has the advantage sinse batman scales from lifting people and noir scales from restling tigers, and if Noir tap batman on webs he can just shoot him

Noir just has a lot more ways to win

and yes, Noir is kinda comparable to 616 spidy

 

[Knifeman29]

Okay, but this is one of many possible ways the battle can go, noir can use his web to trow the batrangs back to batman or glue them to walls, spider webs are much more spamable as well so he has a better chance of hitting batman with them,

There Batarangs, they are gonna cut through his webs. and batman can dodge lasers and bullets and is percise enough to do this. a web isnt going to just hit him, hes gonna evade or slice through it

in terms of LS noir also has the advantage sinse batman scales from lifting people and noir scales from restling tigers.

Amazo is stronger than noir in every way so that isn't gonna matter

and yes, Noir is kinda comparable to 616 spidy

explain


also batman can stagger A.M.A.Z.O so he should have the ap advantage. and again his durability is alot better than noir's.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

There Batarangs, they are gonna cut through his webs. and batman can dodge lasers and bullets and is percise enough to do this. a web isnt going to just hit him, hes gonna evade or slice through it

Speedd equalized, and no, webs are stick, they would get all tangled on them ad glued

Amazo is stronger than noir in every way so that isn't gonna matter

This don't apply to LS

explain

Both have the same combat style, noit just get's a gun and a bit more to the side of a noir detective

also batman can stagger A.M.A.Z.O so he should have the ap advantage. and again his durability is alot better than noir's.

With noir ability, better mobility, precognition and the habilitie to use webs to glue anything batman trows at him and batman him self this hardly matter

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Time skip

This scans should give a good idea how he acts and fights, his precognition letted him counter a guy behind him with a gun from shooting by trapping him in webs for exemple

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He also has some insane resilience to pai as he was beaten up for a extreme long time by a guy that was completly unfazed by punches to the face, beingh shooted by a gun in the back and has a insane super human strengh and was still awake untill he got to felicia home

 

[Knifeman29]

Speedd equalized, and no, webs are stick, they would get all tangled on them ad glued

His webs have been torn off before by brute strength. and speed equal or not batman is still agile and evasive enough to dodge his webs if he's able to dodge something like a bullet or laser.

This don't apply to LS

He fought someone with a massive lifting strength edge before, an edge much bigger than this, so this wont effect him much. considering the edge.

Both have the same combat style, noit just get's a gun and a bit more to the side of a noir detective

Having the same fighting style does not equal similar levels of skill, they have differing enemies, experiences, and settings. 616 is in a world with more out their enemies that challenge his quick thinking skills and agility, and his senses, when met with someone stronger than him noir almost died. while peter faces opponents stronger than him pretty regularly.

With noir ability, better mobility, precognition and the habilitie to use webs to glue anything batman trows at him and batman him self this hardly matter

ap does matter, his precognition does not mean he will never be hit, it just helps him in avoiding it but he can still just get beat up.

also scans of mobility feats in combat for him?

He also has some insane resilience to pai as he was beaten up for a extreme long time by a guy that was completly unfazed by punches to the face, beingh shooted by a gun in the back and has a insane super human strengh and was still awake untill he got to felicia home

He has better endurance but batman is more durable. tanking massive explosions and hits from super humans stronger than Sandman.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Here we have the colection of his comics first edition, trough I would be carefull entering this ling sinse It's one of thouse sites that anywhere you click will open a new tab

 

[King_Dom470]

His webs have been torn off before by brute strength. and speed equal or not batman is still agile and evasive enough to dodge his webs if he's able to dodge something like a bullet or laser

To be totally fair Batman knew that Jason was going to shoot him and was actually waiting for it, Noir didn’t know there was a guy with a gun behind him. plus even though speed is equal spidey would probably still have an advantage because of his precognition.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

His webs have been torn off before by brute strength. and speed equal or not batman is still agile and evasive enough to dodge his webs if he's able to dodge something like a bullet or laser.

We are talking about cutting not ripping apart

He fought someone with a massive lifting strength edge before, an edge much bigger than this, so this wont effect him much. considering the edge.

It's a lot diferent to fought someone with high LS and fight someone with high LS that can shoot stick strings at you and apply this LS at distance

Having the same fighting style does not equal similar levels of skill, they have differing enemies, experiences, and settings. 616 is in a world with more out their enemies that challenge his quick thinking skills and agility, and his senses, when met with someone stronger than him noir almost died. while peter faces opponents stronger than him pretty regularly.

In scans I showed he fought armies of tugs at the same time without getting hitted

ap does matter, his precognition does not mean he will never be hit, it just helps him in avoiding it but he can still just get beat up.

also scans of mobility feats in combat for him?

Did batman ever faced someone with precognition to beging with
and
Give me some time to get the scans

has better endurance but batman is more durable. tanking massive explosions and hits from super humans stronger than Sandman.

I mean, both are wall level here, so getting hitted by superhuman foes is expected, noir survived a much higher beat from people much strongher them him self only getting a bloody face, and passing out hours later, having the stamina to give all information to a policmen, I could argue that he may have a more impressive dura just from getting only this amount of damage from a guy that can no sell his punchs for exemple, that can make some impressive fragmentation on brick walls

He also beated felicia up so he has the advantage of beating up his girlfriend

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Give me some time to get the scans

Trough this ones I sended earlie alread show some of his mobility in combat

Time skip

 

[JustANormalLemon]

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He also beated felicia up so he has the advantage of beating up his girlfriend

Forget this, was the other guy who beated her up, got things extreme mixed

 

[Knifeman29]

This scans should give a good idea how he acts and fights, his precognition letted him counter a guy behind him with a gun from shooting by trapping him in webs for exemple

Batman and other characters who don't have precognition can do stuff like this, Jason as a little kid could cut ropes before they could be fully tied to him.

To be totally fair Batman knew that Jason was going to shoot him and was actually waiting for it, Noir didn’t know there was a guy with a gun behind him. plus even though speed is equal spidey would probably still have an advantage because of his precognition.

He still dodged the bullet and is comparable in agility and speed to nightwing who could avoid lasers.

It's a lot diferent to fought someone with high LS and fight someone with high LS that can shoot stick strings at you and apply this LS at distance

And again what stops him from dodging it

In scans I showed he fought armies of tugs at the same time without getting hitted

Fighting an army of random fodder thugs does not make him on par with 616 in skill nor does it mean his spider-sense is as good.

Did batman ever faced someone with precognition to beging with

No. but again his precog does not mean he isnt going to be able to be hit at all, sandman was able to tag him bullets have tagged him, and batman has exploding homing batarangs he wont be expecting.

I mean, both are wall level here, so getting hitted by superhuman foes is expected, noir survived a much higher beat from people much strongher them him self only getting a bloody face, and passing out hours later, having the stamina to give all information to a policmen, I could argue that he may have a more impressive dura just from getting only this amount of damage from a guy that can no sell his punchs for exemple, that can make some impressive fragmentation on brick walls

Batman tanked an explosion, and hits from someone who can do this and was barely hurt, he can also harm characters who tanked that explosion.


from the feats you've shown of his combat movements they seem equal. and batman has fought characters who move agile like that. he also has an experience edge.

And finally

He also beated felicia up so he has the advantage of beating up his girlfriend

Batman beating his traumatized adopted son >>>

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Noir's profile socks ass

 

[Knifeman29]

Noir's profile socks ass

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Spider-Man FRA

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Anyways, Noir FRA, but man does he need an update, it doesn't even have the 2020 miniseries on there!

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Batman and other characters who don't have precognition can do stuff like this, Jason as a little kid could cut ropes before they could be fully tied to him.

Thouse are stick ropes, is something entirely diferent from regular ones

He still dodged the bullet and is comparable in agility and speed to nightwing who could avoid lasers.

Agin, speed equalized, so having precognition still gives noir a major edge whem dodging

And again what stops him from dodging it

Can be spammed, you are kinda understimating how acurat he can shoot webs, and if I use your argument, what stops noir from dodging the batrangs?

Fighting an army of random fodder thugs does not make him on par with 616 in skill nor does it mean his spider-sense is as good.

this isn't the point, the point is that he wasn't hitten once by them, he could even crush a man head whem partially unconcious thanks to spider sense whem the man was going to cut his troath, he also could fought doc octavious multiple mechanica arms that atacked him at the same time

No. but again his precog does not mean he isnt going to be able to be hit at all, sandman was able to tag him bullets have tagged him, and batman has exploding homing batarangs he wont be expecting.

Same can be said about noir webs, and he may be hitted by a explosion once or twice, but after he seen the first time he will be able to adapt to this trick, while batman getting webed will be much harder to deal, especially if noit decides to use batman now reduced mobility to shoot him or start beating him up before getting to free him self

Batman tanked an explosion, and hits from someone who can do this and was barely hurt, he can also harm characters who tanked that explosion.

This really seen a 9-A feat

 

[King_Dom470]

Anyways, Noir FRA, but man does he need an update, it doesn't even have the 2020 miniseries on there!

Spider-Man FRA

Both counted

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Also, let's be fair, the moment one restricts the other they will talk things out and stop fighting to help one another, noit fight n4z1s after all. so the one who can get the other to stop fighting first is the winner here most likely(not ever vs wiki battle needs to end in death)

 

[King_Dom470]

Also, let's be fair, the moment one restricts the other they will talk things out and stop fighting to help one another, noit fight n4z1s after all. so the one who can get the other to stop fighting first is the winner here most likely(not ever vs wiki battle needs to end in death)

Spider-Man noir is actually bloodlusted here

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Noir FRA. Could've sworn I voted on this earlier.

 

[King_Dom470]

Also voting Noir FRA