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Banning A New Certain Matchup

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So I have come before you all to request a new match ban. This match-up is Digimon vs Saint Seiya. We have tried this many times in the past but have never ended well. This latest thread has gotten out of hand. This has gotten to the point that the blog we made so that this would not happen and that we all accepted is being ignored. The threads constantly get derailed despite the request to make another thread for a completely separate matter. I for have not been the best at handling this as these threads become a massive downplay fest on both sides. And to that I apologize. So I request we ban these matches. I'm sure a fair amount of staff members who have experienced these threads would agree with this. This is starting to wear thin for Me, Reppuzan, Darkaine and Matt. And Cal and Celestial Pegasus who have observed these matches. It all delves into one side considering the abilities for the other NLF, PIS or flat out accuse on side of "forging" details, causing both sides to get incredibly heated..

The biggest example:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/553342

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/380993

Agree: 8

Disagree: 0
 
Approved. Going by that ridiculous thread that had got derailed badly, i doubt any and all other Digimon vs Saint Seiya threads will ever end if people like Tivanenk and/or whoever keeps ******* derailing it.

I approve of a ban of it. It looks like it'll cause derailments if things like this keeps happening.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, I'll have to agree. Their mechanics clash too badly to get anything other than inconclusive and we've fallen to blows constantly in trying to explain them to each other.

This gets a yes from me.
 
While I don't like the idea of banning match ups outright, almost every thread between these two verses has been derailed into an argument and just leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouths.

Supporting.
 
Reppuzan said:
As much as I hate to admit it, I'll have to agree. Their mechanics clash too badly to get anything other than inconclusive and we've fallen to blows constantly in trying to explain them to each other.
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Sweet gop, it's like a car crash.

Hop is in full support.
 
I am fine with this.
 
Would it not be better to just ban the member(s), specifically Tivanek and his sock puppets, doing the derailing in both of the threads. He seems to be the main issue in both discussions and the reason for that blog in the first place. I don't see why one guy's gotta ruin it for everyone else.
 
@Matthew

It was a thread between Omegamon X and God Cloth Seiya.

We were explaining why Seiya's usual durability negation wouldn't work (atomization against a being without atoms) and why Seiya's Acausality wouldn't save him from All Delete (Erases all concepts along with the entire timeline before rewriting it the way he wants it), when Tivanenk proceeded to derail the entire thread by questioning all of the explanations I've made for the Royal Knight's abilities despite being accepted months ago by numerous members of the Staff.

When we tried to reason with him and ask him to just make another thread, he continued to rant and refused to listen to anyone.
 
I hate to sound harsh or like I have anything personal against any other users (which I don't) but from a perspective of monitoring behavior here, it seems like Tivanenk is going to need a very significant warning.

  • I've had 3 discussion mods (which obviously I won't name the names of unless they wish to reveal themselves) come to me saying they want to report him to Antvasima.
  • 1 administrator in PM tell me he doesn't like Tivanenk's behavior.
  • Another admin I've seen talk about his attitude on a public thread.
  • I myself have noticed multiple instances of this and have tried warning him in the past with little success.
  • Dragon has warned Tivanenk about his behavior recently
  • And now it seems that two more admins (Cross and Reppuzan) are complaining about him.
Again, I'm not trying to start any bad blood or talk badly about anyone, I am merely saying as a concerned admin trying to uphold the responsibilities of his position.

To get back to the topic, I do not have a problem with this rule being implemented if other staff think it's for the best.
 
Tivanenk's always been like that, especially on anything that involves SMT or Saint Seiya. Hence why because of him as told above, this matchup type has now been banned.
 
A firm warning might be in order then. It is regrettable, as Tivanenk is one of our most intelligent members. If he learned to behave properly, he could be of great help to the wiki.

Do you wish to handle it Matthew? You know him best.
 
I think it's best to ban Tinvanenk for a while. I've seen and heard of him having been approached to change up that attitude of his yet nothing happens.

This is yet another case of letting a user go around with such attitude and still keep going like this as if anyone here thinks it's going to change.
 
I don't think Tivanenk is entirely to blame for this matchup being banned, the mechanics between digimon and saint seiya really doesn't mesh well from what i have observed, although Tivanenk does have a bias.
 
I'm only bringing up a concern that many others have brought up to me and I've somewhat picked up on myself.

I have nothing personal against Tiv. And any staff decision made regarding his behavior I'll respect.
 
I was just saying what i thought in case someone thought that Tivanenk is the issue here and if we get rid of him we can have saint seiya vs digimon match ups again, i personally don't want to have to sit through another match up between the two.

I do think Tivanenk needs a warning though he does have a huge basis i think and needs to fix his attitude.
 
You guys do understand this is the same guy who just got reported to Ant 3 times to have his position revoked for many reasons as Ryu pointed out, right?

Not only that, once again it's pointed here that he had been warned not once but quite a few times. Hell i was even told that Matt had tried to warn him about toning down that attitude of his. Only to just continue off as normal.

He is also shown to be rather bias for SMT and Saint Seiya. And he doesn't do any calcs for any series mainly unless it's Saint Seiya related. This being something that a mod came to me on about. At least that's what i've seen him only do here AFAIK. But still, i was even told that he never helped with the calc request board back when he was still a calc member here. Pretty sure that's not a calc person is supposed to do. They're supposed to at least help with at least any of them once in a while whenever they can...

Like does nobody see the issue of this guy being here? Multiple warnings of changing his attitude has been ignored by staff. That should be ban-worthy if even for a bit. Then showing some real bias and even downplay towards other series that go against Saint Seiya or SMT. Isn't that something we don't approve here, especially if this was consistantly done a number of times? Cause i see all of this and have this in mind clearly.

Right now, we're treating him as if we should keep him here. His case here of everything is nothing different from the likes of those such as Davy0 and Lord-of-Creation. Especially on the former.
 
What do the rest of you think?
 
Sounds like trouble. I agree with Cross and Matt. Get rid of the trouble maker, he has zero intention of straightening out. Us keeping him around will lead others to think they can get away with it, and we don't need people to follow in their footsteps, especially Davy's.
 
Hmm. I would like some more input first.
 
Exactly what Hop said. Again he's just like Davy0 and Lord-of-Creation. Especially on the former. I clearly remember Ant trying to help Davy out being here last year. He never changed his general attitude, and kept antagonizing everyone including those of staff. And he came back after his first ban, guess what? He still acted the same way.

And clearly, nobody liked the guy. Hell even Kavpeny hated him so much for that.

I don't know how any of you don't see this, but i am not gonna sit here and just let Tivanenk be here acting all that and doing this and that. It's just as Hop and i said: He's not gonna ever straighten out at all, nor does he intend to do that when even multiple staff have attempted to do so in the past only to fail.
 
Okay. I suppose that you can block him then. It is a shame though. He could have been a great resource for the wiki.
 
That's the truth with allot of people. However I find people like him are similar to people that could turn out to be like S.S. or Dekoshu

We should never risk that gain for someone with mad power abuse syndrome. He was also overly argumentative form my perspective.
 
I'd also like to bring up the fact that he seemed intent to be unruly before jumping on the thread, as he posted "Let's Get Rowdy" on Matthew Schroeder's Wall before making his first post on that ill-fated versus thread.

Having dealt with the brunt of Tivanenk's toxicity around the time I was a Content Moderator, I must vote in favor of banning him since he does not seem like he wishes to change at all.
 
Well i have no issue with him being banned, he has been warned before and has shown that he has no intention to change.
 
In defence of Dekoshu, he genuinely worked hard to help this wiki. His autism simply prevented him from understanding when he was being obnoxious.
 
What Ant said. I was just merely annoyed with Dekoshu. Didn't want him banned, just couldn't deal with him having constantly asking me stuff...

Anyways, i've Tivanenk now for at least a year. We won't be hearing him anytime soon by then so we're good. Also, i do personally think he's the problem mostly whenever it comes to SMT or Saint Seiya matches. He has done this before on an Arceus vs....whoever it was, probably Saint Seiya, then did this on an SMT vs Digimon thread, and has recently did this earlier.

Since he's gone, i want us to finally direct ourselves back to the actual topic of this thread. What do anyone here think we should do with this match type ban? Should we keep on or just remove it and see what happens again from here, hoping it doesn't become like how recently with Tivan?
 
Tivanenk's behavior has consistently been biased, confrontational, and overall rude. I agree with a block.
 
@Cross The match up shouldnt be banned, the one constant derailing element to them is gone so there is no need for the ban.
 
So we should lift it back up now that we got rid of the problem? Good to hear.

Anyone else?
 
I can remove the rule again, if you prefer?
 
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