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(trading sword blows can scale up to AP)
AP
Maelys Balckfyre killed horse with single punch
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In ASOIAF verse destrier horse described as: are tall, strong, splendid animals, often high spirited. Destriers give knights a majestic air at tourneys. They are normally the most valuable type of horse, being well bred and highly trained but quite expensive
Since exact durability of Real World horse is varies. There are some difficulties with scaling this feat.
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Following was suggested by LordTracer:
Scale Maelys to At least Street level, at most Street level+; Put his Street level value at baseline (300 joules) and Street level+ at 7758.167439 joules per Flashlight’s calc.
Baseline Street level (300 joules) Based on the fact that Jaime's profile indicates that In 19 years of career as a knight Jaime had traveled through almost all of Westeros and knows every knight, freerider and squire, and of all of them, Jaime thinks only seven are or was stronger than him in terms of physical strength: Arhur Dayne, Robert Baratheon, Sandor Clegane, Gregor Clegane, Jon Umber, Lyle Crakehall and prime Gerold Hightower. That is, Jaime should be superior to most of warriors and knights of seven kingdoms, which are indicated as 10-A in main verse page, and they logically should be 10-A
Flashlight accepted calc of horse kicks
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Uses Consistent (High) (7758.167439) end because of fact that Maelys AP should be superior to horse at most Street level+ durability (low end of street level+ is 7650 joules)
Since Maelys and Horse both can kill horse wth one blow and their AP superior to horse durability (they somewhat should be comparable)
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I think the best way to scale Maelys feat because no one has figured out how to calculate Maelys feat or how to scale it without using a horse kick
Okay Maelys Blackfyre doesn't have his own profile (yet). He scales to At least Street level, at most Street level+
Who also scales:
[Barristan Slemy (Prime key)]: Traded blows with Maelys and killed him
The Wolrd of Ice and Fire; The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys II
"a young knight named Ser Barristan Selmy slew Maelys in single combat, winning undying renown and deciding the issue in a stroke"
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Slew Maelys the Monstrous, last of the Blackfyre Pretenders, in single combat during the War of the Ninepenny Kings."
Offical illustration of Barristan vs Maelys in The World of Ice and Fire book (by José Daniel Cabrera Peña)
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[Arthur Dayne]: George Martin wrote what Arhur and Barristan should be comparable to each other (if they both have equivalent weaponry)
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This is also indicated in profile of Arthur Dayne in ASOIAF wiki
[Jaime Lannister] (Two Hands key): Both Barristan and Arthur foght against Smiling Knight
(Barristan) A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Rescued Lady Jeyne Swann and her septa from the Kingswood Brotherhood, defeating Simon Toyne and the Smiling Knight."
Smiling Knight is a member of Kingswood Brotherhood. Kingswood Brotherhood is disbanded in 281 AC. Barristan was born in 236-237 AC. That is, at the time of KB disbandment, he was 44-45, but it must be borne in mind that he fought against Smiling Knight even earlier before KB disbandment. That is, somewhere in early his 40s. I think Barristan was still in his prime back then. All this information can be found on ASOIAF wiki
(Arhur) A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"What a fight that was, and what a foe. The Smiling Knight was a madman, cruelty and chivalry all jumbled up together, but he did not know the meaning of fear. And Dayne, with Dawn in hand … The outlaw’s longsword had so many notches by the end that Ser Arthur had stopped to let him
fetch a new one. “It’s that white sword of yours I want,” the robber knight told him as they resumed, though he was bleeding from a dozen wounds by then. “Then you shall have it, ser,” the Sword of the Morning replied, and made an end of it."
And Jaime held his own against Smiling Knight
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"He had saved Lord Sumner's life
as Big Belly Ben was about to smash his head in, though the outlaw had escaped him. And he'd held his own against the Smiling Knight, though it was Ser Arthur who slew him."
And for that, he was knighted.
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Served against the Kingswood Brotherhood as squire to Lord Sumner Crakehall. Knighted in his 15th year by Ser Arthur Dayne of the Kingsguard, for valor in the field."
[Brienne Tarth]: Traded blows with weakened Jaime and overpowered him (Jamie was weakened because he had been in captivity for a long time, and was in chains)
A Storm of Swords Jaime III
"Steel met steel with a ringing, bone-jarring clang. Somehow Brienne had gotten her own blade out in time. Jaime laughed. “Very good, wench.”
"He sprang to his feet and drove at her, the longsword alive in his hands. Brienne jumped back, parrying, but he followed,
pressing the attack. No sooner did she turn one cut than the next was upon her. The swords kissed and sprang apart and kissed again. Jaime’s blood was singing. This was what he was meant for; he never felt so alive as when he was fighting, with death balanced on every stroke. And with my wrists chained together, the wench may even give me a contest for a time. His chains forced him to use a two-handed grip, though of course the weight and reach were less than if the blade had been a true two-handed greatsword, but what did it matter?"
"Grunting, she came at him, blade whirling, and suddenly it was Jaime struggling to keep steel from skin. One of her slashes raked across his brow, and blood ran down into his right eye. The Others take her, and Riverrun as well! His skills had gone to rust and rot in that bloody dungeon, and the chains were no great help either. His eye closed, his shoulders were going numb from the jarring they’d taken, and his wrists ached from the weight of chains, manacles, and sword. His longsword grew heavier with every blow, and Jaime knew he was not swinging it as quickly as he’d done earlier, nor raising it as high.
She is stronger than I am."
"Jaime drove his shoulder into her legs, bringing her down on top of him. They rolled, kicking and punching until finally she was sitting astride him. He managed to jerk her dagger from its sheath, but before he could plunge it into her belly she caught his wrist and slammed his hands back on a rock so hard he thought she’d wrenched an arm from its socket. Her other hand spread across his face. “Yield!” She shoved his head down, held it under, pulled it up. “Yield!” Jaime spit water into her face. A shove, a splash, and he was under again, kicking uselessly, fighting to breathe. Up again. “Yield, or I’ll drown you!”
[Loras Tyrell]: Traded blows with Brienne, but was overpowered by her
A Clash of Kings Catelyn II
"The blue knight let his broken shield drop to the ground to free his left arm, and then
the Knight of Flowers was on him. The weight of his steel seemed to hardly diminish the grace and quickness with which Ser Loras moved, his rainbow cloak swirling about him. The white horse and the black one wheeled like lovers at a harvest dance, the riders throwing steel in place of kisses. Longaxe flashed and morningstar
whirled. Both weapons were blunted, yet still they raised an awful clangor. Shieldless, the blue knight was getting much the worse of it. Ser Loras rained down blows on his head and shoulders, to shouts of “Highgarden!” from the throng. The other gave answer with his morningstar, but whenever the ball came crashing in, Ser Loras interposed his battered green shield, emblazoned with three golden roses. When the longaxe caught the blue knight’s hand on the backswing and sent the morningstar flying from his grasp, the crowd
screamed like a rutting beast. The Knight of Flowers raised his axe for the
final blow. The blue knight charged into it. The stallions slammed together, the blunted
axehead smashed against the scarred blue breastplate … but somehow the
blue knight had the haft locked between steel-gauntleted fingers. He wrenched it from Ser Loras’s hand, and suddenly the two were grappling mount-to-mount, and an instant later they were falling. As their horses pulled apart, they crashed to the ground with bone-jarring force. Loras Tyrell, on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact. The blue knight pulled a long dirk free
and flicked open Tyrell’s visor. The roar of the crowd was too loud for Catelyn to hear what Ser Loras said, but she saw the word form on his split, bloody lips. Yield."
Likely [Gregor Clegane]:
Jamie said that Gregor is stronger than him. (A Storm of Swords Jaime III). I understand that Jaime is a skilled and experienced warrior, but since this is only statement I think Likely should be used and Gregor should be scale like this: At least Street level (3000-3900 joules. At least-because Gregor crushed Oberyn skull with single punch while he was mortally wounded), likely at most Street level+
Likely [Sandor Clegane]: At least Street level, likely at most Street level+ Traded blows with enraged Gregor. And Ned Stark noticed that Sandor didn't want to kill his brother in fight while Gregor wanted to kill Sandor. (And Jaime also said that Sandor stronger than him)
Likely [Beric Dondarrion]: Traded blows with Sandor Clegane (but inferior to him). You can say that Sandor could not fight at full power because he was afraid of Beric fire sword, but TV Show Beric is scaled from Sandor, although in tv series it was also clear that Sandor was afraid of fire in fight against Beric.
A Storm of Swords Arya VI
"The flaming sword leapt up to meet the cold one, long streamers of fire trailing in its wake like the ribbons the Hound had spoken of. Steel rang on steel. No sooner was his first slash blocked than Clegane made another, but this time Lord Beric’s shield got in the way, and wood chips flew from the force of the blow. Hard and fast
the cuts came, from low and high, from right and left, and each one Dondarrion blocked."
This is just an excerpt from fight between Beric and Sandor. They traded blows with swords and shields throughout their fight. So Beric should be scale like this: Street level (3000-3900 joules downscales from Sandor because Sandor was afraid of fire from Beric's sword), possibly at most Street level+
Likely [Oberyn Martell]: Traded blows with Gregor Clegane (but inferior to him)
Street level (downscales from Gregor), possibly at most Street level+
A Storm of Swords Tyrion X
"Oberyn’s long spear jabbed, but Ser Gregor took the point on his shield, shoved it aside, and bulled back at the prince, his great sword slashing. The Dornishman spun away untouched. The spear darted forward. Clegane slashed at it, Martell snapped it back, then thrust again."
"Prince Oberyn parried a savage cut with his
spearhead."
"Suddenly the Mountain was close enough to strike, his huge sword flashing in a steel blur. The crowd was screaming as well. Oberyn slipped the first blow and let go of the spear, useless now that Ser Gregor was inside it. The second cut the Dornishman caught on his shield. Metal met metal with an ear-splitting clang, sending the Red Viper reeling. Ser Gregor followed, bellowing. He doesn’t use words, he just roars like an animal, Tyrion thought. Oberyn’s retreat became a headlong backward flight mere
inches ahead of the greatsword as it slashed at his chest, his arms, his head."
About Oberyn durability (In some thread, question has already arisen about how Oberyn can scale up to skull crushing if his body could not withstand skull crushing from Gregor?). I have an answer to this question. Gregor did not immediately crush his skull. Before that, he had punch Oberyn.
"He thrust his free hand into Oberyn’s
unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. “Then I raped her.” Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman’s mouth, making splinters of his teeth."
And so Oberyn just downscales from At least Street level to Street level Instead of at most Street level
Lifting
[Gregor Clegane]: Class 5 to Likely Class 5
I don't know how does Gregor have class 5 LS in his profile if it was accepted in thread to upgrade his LS that he can have Likely class 5 LS
So that LS of Mountain should be slightly downgraded to likely class 5
[Sandor Clegane]: Class 5 to Likely Class 5
Traded blows with Gregor
[Oberyn Martell]: Likely at most Class 5
Traded blows with Gregor (inferior to him). And briefly wrestled with wounded Gregor before was overpowered
A Storm of Swords Tyrion X
"Then the sword was forgotten as
Gregor’s hand tightened and twisted, yanking the Dornishman down
on top of him. They wrestled in the dust and blood, the broken
spear wobbling back and forth."
[Beric Dondarrion]: Likely at most Class 5
Traded blows with Sandor (inferior to him)
[Maelys Blackfyre]: Class 5 to at least Class 1
I don't know why Maelys LS is listed as class 5 on ASOIF main page. Because he didn't quite rip off head. He was doing it:
The Wolrd of Ice and Fire; The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys II
"and then twisting Daemon's head until it was torn from his shoulder"
1. We don't know how long was Maelys rip his head off.
2. It's more like high end of neck snapping-twisting, and I think it's more suitable for at least Class 1 LS
[Barristan Slemy]: At least Class 1
Traded blows with Maelys
[Arhur Dayne]: At least Class 1
Comporable to Barristan
[Jaime Lannister]: At least Class 1
At the age of fifteen held his own against Smiling Knight, who traded blows with Arhur and Barristan
[Brienne Thart]: At least Class 1
Traded blows with weakened Jaime amd overpowered him
Supporting feat (She pushed large boulder from cliff)
A Storm of Swords Jaime I
"Those who had wits enough to understand raised their eyes just as a boulder the size of a cow detached itself from the top of the
bluff. Ser Robin shouted in dismay. The stone tumbled through the air, struck the face of the cliff, cracked in two, and smashed down on them. The larger piece snapped the mast, tore through the sail,
sent two of the archers flying into the river, and crushed the leg of a rower as he bent over his oar."
[Loras Turell]: Class 1
Downscales from Brienne. Traded blows with Brienne (but was overpowered and inferior to her)
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AP
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In ASOIAF verse destrier horse described as: are tall, strong, splendid animals, often high spirited. Destriers give knights a majestic air at tourneys. They are normally the most valuable type of horse, being well bred and highly trained but quite expensive
Since exact durability of Real World horse is varies. There are some difficulties with scaling this feat.
Horse
The horse (Equus ferus caballus) is one of two extant subspecies of Equus ferus. It is an odd-toed ungulate mammal belonging to the taxonomic family Equidae. The horse has evolved over the past 45 to 55 million years from a small multi-toed creature, Eohippus, into the large, single-toed animal...
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In Questions and Answers forum there were also difficulties with scaling this feat and average durability of horse.
In RW horse page it is written that horses have street level to at most street level+ durability
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But what is scale of this durability? How much joules-kilojoules?I just didn't find any references or notes in durability section which would indicate an accurate durability scale.
What do I need it for?
Character can kill destrier horse with one punch.
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In this verse destrier horse described as: are tall, strong, splendid animals, often high spirited. Destriers give knights...
Horse
The horse (Equus ferus caballus) is one of two extant subspecies of Equus ferus. It is an odd-toed ungulate mammal belonging to the taxonomic family Equidae. The horse has evolved over the past 45 to 55 million years from a small multi-toed creature, Eohippus, into the large, single-toed animal...
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But what is scale of this durability? How much joules-kilojoules?I just didn't find any references or notes in durability section which would indicate an accurate durability scale.
What do I need it for?
Character can kill destrier horse with one punch.
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In this verse destrier horse described as: are tall, strong, splendid animals, often high spirited. Destriers give knights...
Following was suggested by LordTracer:
Scale Maelys to At least Street level, at most Street level+; Put his Street level value at baseline (300 joules) and Street level+ at 7758.167439 joules per Flashlight’s calc.
Baseline Street level (300 joules) Based on the fact that Jaime's profile indicates that In 19 years of career as a knight Jaime had traveled through almost all of Westeros and knows every knight, freerider and squire, and of all of them, Jaime thinks only seven are or was stronger than him in terms of physical strength: Arhur Dayne, Robert Baratheon, Sandor Clegane, Gregor Clegane, Jon Umber, Lyle Crakehall and prime Gerold Hightower. That is, Jaime should be superior to most of warriors and knights of seven kingdoms, which are indicated as 10-A in main verse page, and they logically should be 10-A
Flashlight accepted calc of horse kicks
Real World: Horse Kicks
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Uses Consistent (High) (7758.167439) end because of fact that Maelys AP should be superior to horse at most Street level+ durability (low end of street level+ is 7650 joules)
Since Maelys and Horse both can kill horse wth one blow and their AP superior to horse durability (they somewhat should be comparable)
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I think the best way to scale Maelys feat because no one has figured out how to calculate Maelys feat or how to scale it without using a horse kick
Okay Maelys Blackfyre doesn't have his own profile (yet). He scales to At least Street level, at most Street level+
Who also scales:
[Barristan Slemy (Prime key)]: Traded blows with Maelys and killed him
The Wolrd of Ice and Fire; The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys II
"a young knight named Ser Barristan Selmy slew Maelys in single combat, winning undying renown and deciding the issue in a stroke"
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Slew Maelys the Monstrous, last of the Blackfyre Pretenders, in single combat during the War of the Ninepenny Kings."
Offical illustration of Barristan vs Maelys in The World of Ice and Fire book (by José Daniel Cabrera Peña)
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[Arthur Dayne]: George Martin wrote what Arhur and Barristan should be comparable to each other (if they both have equivalent weaponry)
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This is also indicated in profile of Arthur Dayne in ASOIAF wiki
[Jaime Lannister] (Two Hands key): Both Barristan and Arthur foght against Smiling Knight
(Barristan) A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Rescued Lady Jeyne Swann and her septa from the Kingswood Brotherhood, defeating Simon Toyne and the Smiling Knight."
Smiling Knight is a member of Kingswood Brotherhood. Kingswood Brotherhood is disbanded in 281 AC. Barristan was born in 236-237 AC. That is, at the time of KB disbandment, he was 44-45, but it must be borne in mind that he fought against Smiling Knight even earlier before KB disbandment. That is, somewhere in early his 40s. I think Barristan was still in his prime back then. All this information can be found on ASOIAF wiki
(Arhur) A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"What a fight that was, and what a foe. The Smiling Knight was a madman, cruelty and chivalry all jumbled up together, but he did not know the meaning of fear. And Dayne, with Dawn in hand … The outlaw’s longsword had so many notches by the end that Ser Arthur had stopped to let him
fetch a new one. “It’s that white sword of yours I want,” the robber knight told him as they resumed, though he was bleeding from a dozen wounds by then. “Then you shall have it, ser,” the Sword of the Morning replied, and made an end of it."
And Jaime held his own against Smiling Knight
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"He had saved Lord Sumner's life
as Big Belly Ben was about to smash his head in, though the outlaw had escaped him. And he'd held his own against the Smiling Knight, though it was Ser Arthur who slew him."
And for that, he was knighted.
A Storm of Swords Jaime VIII
"Served against the Kingswood Brotherhood as squire to Lord Sumner Crakehall. Knighted in his 15th year by Ser Arthur Dayne of the Kingsguard, for valor in the field."
[Brienne Tarth]: Traded blows with weakened Jaime and overpowered him (Jamie was weakened because he had been in captivity for a long time, and was in chains)
A Storm of Swords Jaime III
"Steel met steel with a ringing, bone-jarring clang. Somehow Brienne had gotten her own blade out in time. Jaime laughed. “Very good, wench.”
"He sprang to his feet and drove at her, the longsword alive in his hands. Brienne jumped back, parrying, but he followed,
pressing the attack. No sooner did she turn one cut than the next was upon her. The swords kissed and sprang apart and kissed again. Jaime’s blood was singing. This was what he was meant for; he never felt so alive as when he was fighting, with death balanced on every stroke. And with my wrists chained together, the wench may even give me a contest for a time. His chains forced him to use a two-handed grip, though of course the weight and reach were less than if the blade had been a true two-handed greatsword, but what did it matter?"
"Grunting, she came at him, blade whirling, and suddenly it was Jaime struggling to keep steel from skin. One of her slashes raked across his brow, and blood ran down into his right eye. The Others take her, and Riverrun as well! His skills had gone to rust and rot in that bloody dungeon, and the chains were no great help either. His eye closed, his shoulders were going numb from the jarring they’d taken, and his wrists ached from the weight of chains, manacles, and sword. His longsword grew heavier with every blow, and Jaime knew he was not swinging it as quickly as he’d done earlier, nor raising it as high.
She is stronger than I am."
"Jaime drove his shoulder into her legs, bringing her down on top of him. They rolled, kicking and punching until finally she was sitting astride him. He managed to jerk her dagger from its sheath, but before he could plunge it into her belly she caught his wrist and slammed his hands back on a rock so hard he thought she’d wrenched an arm from its socket. Her other hand spread across his face. “Yield!” She shoved his head down, held it under, pulled it up. “Yield!” Jaime spit water into her face. A shove, a splash, and he was under again, kicking uselessly, fighting to breathe. Up again. “Yield, or I’ll drown you!”
[Loras Tyrell]: Traded blows with Brienne, but was overpowered by her
A Clash of Kings Catelyn II
"The blue knight let his broken shield drop to the ground to free his left arm, and then
the Knight of Flowers was on him. The weight of his steel seemed to hardly diminish the grace and quickness with which Ser Loras moved, his rainbow cloak swirling about him. The white horse and the black one wheeled like lovers at a harvest dance, the riders throwing steel in place of kisses. Longaxe flashed and morningstar
whirled. Both weapons were blunted, yet still they raised an awful clangor. Shieldless, the blue knight was getting much the worse of it. Ser Loras rained down blows on his head and shoulders, to shouts of “Highgarden!” from the throng. The other gave answer with his morningstar, but whenever the ball came crashing in, Ser Loras interposed his battered green shield, emblazoned with three golden roses. When the longaxe caught the blue knight’s hand on the backswing and sent the morningstar flying from his grasp, the crowd
screamed like a rutting beast. The Knight of Flowers raised his axe for the
final blow. The blue knight charged into it. The stallions slammed together, the blunted
axehead smashed against the scarred blue breastplate … but somehow the
blue knight had the haft locked between steel-gauntleted fingers. He wrenched it from Ser Loras’s hand, and suddenly the two were grappling mount-to-mount, and an instant later they were falling. As their horses pulled apart, they crashed to the ground with bone-jarring force. Loras Tyrell, on the bottom, took the brunt of the impact. The blue knight pulled a long dirk free
and flicked open Tyrell’s visor. The roar of the crowd was too loud for Catelyn to hear what Ser Loras said, but she saw the word form on his split, bloody lips. Yield."
Likely [Gregor Clegane]:
Jamie said that Gregor is stronger than him. (A Storm of Swords Jaime III). I understand that Jaime is a skilled and experienced warrior, but since this is only statement I think Likely should be used and Gregor should be scale like this: At least Street level (3000-3900 joules. At least-because Gregor crushed Oberyn skull with single punch while he was mortally wounded), likely at most Street level+
Likely [Sandor Clegane]: At least Street level, likely at most Street level+ Traded blows with enraged Gregor. And Ned Stark noticed that Sandor didn't want to kill his brother in fight while Gregor wanted to kill Sandor. (And Jaime also said that Sandor stronger than him)
Likely [Beric Dondarrion]: Traded blows with Sandor Clegane (but inferior to him). You can say that Sandor could not fight at full power because he was afraid of Beric fire sword, but TV Show Beric is scaled from Sandor, although in tv series it was also clear that Sandor was afraid of fire in fight against Beric.
A Storm of Swords Arya VI
"The flaming sword leapt up to meet the cold one, long streamers of fire trailing in its wake like the ribbons the Hound had spoken of. Steel rang on steel. No sooner was his first slash blocked than Clegane made another, but this time Lord Beric’s shield got in the way, and wood chips flew from the force of the blow. Hard and fast
the cuts came, from low and high, from right and left, and each one Dondarrion blocked."
This is just an excerpt from fight between Beric and Sandor. They traded blows with swords and shields throughout their fight. So Beric should be scale like this: Street level (3000-3900 joules downscales from Sandor because Sandor was afraid of fire from Beric's sword), possibly at most Street level+
Likely [Oberyn Martell]: Traded blows with Gregor Clegane (but inferior to him)
Street level (downscales from Gregor), possibly at most Street level+
A Storm of Swords Tyrion X
"Oberyn’s long spear jabbed, but Ser Gregor took the point on his shield, shoved it aside, and bulled back at the prince, his great sword slashing. The Dornishman spun away untouched. The spear darted forward. Clegane slashed at it, Martell snapped it back, then thrust again."
"Prince Oberyn parried a savage cut with his
spearhead."
"Suddenly the Mountain was close enough to strike, his huge sword flashing in a steel blur. The crowd was screaming as well. Oberyn slipped the first blow and let go of the spear, useless now that Ser Gregor was inside it. The second cut the Dornishman caught on his shield. Metal met metal with an ear-splitting clang, sending the Red Viper reeling. Ser Gregor followed, bellowing. He doesn’t use words, he just roars like an animal, Tyrion thought. Oberyn’s retreat became a headlong backward flight mere
inches ahead of the greatsword as it slashed at his chest, his arms, his head."
About Oberyn durability (In some thread, question has already arisen about how Oberyn can scale up to skull crushing if his body could not withstand skull crushing from Gregor?). I have an answer to this question. Gregor did not immediately crush his skull. Before that, he had punch Oberyn.
"He thrust his free hand into Oberyn’s
unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. “Then I raped her.” Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman’s mouth, making splinters of his teeth."
And so Oberyn just downscales from At least Street level to Street level Instead of at most Street level
Lifting
[Gregor Clegane]: Class 5 to Likely Class 5
I don't know how does Gregor have class 5 LS in his profile if it was accepted in thread to upgrade his LS that he can have Likely class 5 LS
So that LS of Mountain should be slightly downgraded to likely class 5
[Sandor Clegane]: Class 5 to Likely Class 5
Traded blows with Gregor
[Oberyn Martell]: Likely at most Class 5
Traded blows with Gregor (inferior to him). And briefly wrestled with wounded Gregor before was overpowered
A Storm of Swords Tyrion X
"Then the sword was forgotten as
Gregor’s hand tightened and twisted, yanking the Dornishman down
on top of him. They wrestled in the dust and blood, the broken
spear wobbling back and forth."
[Beric Dondarrion]: Likely at most Class 5
Traded blows with Sandor (inferior to him)
[Maelys Blackfyre]: Class 5 to at least Class 1
I don't know why Maelys LS is listed as class 5 on ASOIF main page. Because he didn't quite rip off head. He was doing it:
The Wolrd of Ice and Fire; The Targaryen Kings: Jaehaerys II
"and then twisting Daemon's head until it was torn from his shoulder"
1. We don't know how long was Maelys rip his head off.
2. It's more like high end of neck snapping-twisting, and I think it's more suitable for at least Class 1 LS
[Barristan Slemy]: At least Class 1
Traded blows with Maelys
[Arhur Dayne]: At least Class 1
Comporable to Barristan
[Jaime Lannister]: At least Class 1
At the age of fifteen held his own against Smiling Knight, who traded blows with Arhur and Barristan
[Brienne Thart]: At least Class 1
Traded blows with weakened Jaime amd overpowered him
Supporting feat (She pushed large boulder from cliff)
A Storm of Swords Jaime I
"Those who had wits enough to understand raised their eyes just as a boulder the size of a cow detached itself from the top of the
bluff. Ser Robin shouted in dismay. The stone tumbled through the air, struck the face of the cliff, cracked in two, and smashed down on them. The larger piece snapped the mast, tore through the sail,
sent two of the archers flying into the river, and crushed the leg of a rower as he bent over his oar."
[Loras Turell]: Class 1
Downscales from Brienne. Traded blows with Brienne (but was overpowered and inferior to her)
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