Armored Gorilla vs Skips [2-2-0]

[Arkansalter2]

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Arguably didn't see this. One sec.

A very casual swing from him was 3166.60669 Metric Tons so the LS gap is pretty nonexistent.

I wouldn't say that. Skip's LS feat ALSO comes from casual shit. He legit beat all of the park members in arm wrestling extremely easily. Additionally, he casually overpowers 2 of those comparable to him.

Somebody also needs to elaborate on Skips' skill because unless he's some sort of dodge god with absurd martial ability

His fighting style is legit slow, predictable, and clunky. He couldn't even land a hit on genos who is much more agile. Skips casually dodges lasers and crap. Additionally, he apparently like tanking shit in which nothing is stopping him from being ragdolled.

Theres also everything much else but I'll still give it to skips but I'll upgrade it to it being a mid-high diff.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

It's not even that bro. His fighting style is legit slow, predictable, and clunky. He couldn't even land a hit on genos who is much more agile. Skips casually dodges lasers and crap. Additionally, he apparently like tanking shit in which nothing is stopping him from being ragdolled.

Uhh, so first off right. Speed is equalized. I don't understand this point. The skips clip shows him playing Hop Scotch and trying to outpace the shooter. I literally don't see anything impressive and its surely not impressive as you were making to seem. This kinda feat has nothing to do with active agility either because he quite literally isn't even focused on the shooter but running away lmao, AND he gets caught.
Second, the OPM clip is gold. I want you to replace Skips with Genos (Who is showing combat agility in the same clip btw), and watch how those HEAVY MONSTROUS hits would absolutely MUTILATE Skips once they land. Sure, Gorilla isn't a agile foe nor is he showing incredible combat skill either, but a single swing is sending Skips to Hell.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Gorilla isn't a agile foe nor is he showing incredible combat skill either, but a single swing is sending Skips to Hell.

How is he gonna land the shit with his clunky fighting style?

 

[Kachon123]

I wouldn't say that. Skip's LS feat ALSO comes from casual shit. He legit beat all of the park members in arm wrestling extremely easily. Additionally, he casually overpowers 2 of those comparable to him.

This doesn't prove much if I'm being completely honest. The LS gap will be almost completely irrelevant here because they're values are so close in the and there's no real way for Skips to exploit it in the first place.

Theres also everything much else but I'll still give it to skips but I'll upgrade it to it being a mid-high diff.

You're skill wanking Skips because he... ran in a straight line? I'm not sure if you saw the clip you sent, but the guy shooting lasers at Skips had Storm Trooper level aim and still somehow managed to hit Skips in the leg. I'm not gonna lie, you're going to need something much better than that to say he beats Armored Gorilla.

They're literally relative in every single stat except for the fact that Skips is a glass cannon while Armored Gorilla has shown that he can survive heavy amounts of punishment. I genuinely don't know how you can say Skips wins this. Seems like satire.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Arguably didn't see this. One sec.

I wouldn't say that. Skip's LS feat ALSO comes from casual shit. He legit beat all of the park members in arm wrestling extremely easily. Additionally, he casually overpowers 2 of those comparable to him.



Theres also everything much else but I'll still give it to skips but I'll upgrade it to it being a mid-high diff.

Since they're both Class M, the LS argument is null, no? LS doesn't help Skips case either because his opponent is armored in spikes and the difference isn't that detrimental to where he can crush anything on Gorilla's body armor. Its now skill and a AP debate. Which Skips gets absolutely washes by. Any stray hit targeted at his body is turning him into paste and his Fist Of Justice is getting turned into Fist Of Metal Scraps overtime anyway

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

How is he gonna land the shit with his clunky fighting style?

Not really a defeater, Gorilla using hard hits really does not prove a clunky fighting style. Its actually advantageous since he's literally coated in armor his opponents can't break. Because he's a heavy hitter. Anyways, Seeing Kachan's arguments, he outlasts Skips until he's tired and slaps his jaw in.

 

[Kachon123]

Again I'm seeing nothing that proves that Skips is an evasive-oriented dodge god that would avoid every single attack. The fact that he has no idea how powerful Armored Gorilla is from the start means that he's more likely to try to block. Doing that would break his arm.

 

[IDK3465]

Can't Skips just BFR AG and call it a day? I mean, all he needed was one hit to launch Klorgbane away, and AG shouldn't be that much heavier

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Can't Skips just BFR AG and call it a day? I mean, all he needed was one hit to launch Klorgbane away, and AG shouldn't be that much heavier

Armor is very robust and makes him heavy. He would be much heavier than him

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Armor is very robust and makes him heavy. He would be much heavier than him

The entire shtick about the fists BFR is that they punch with enough force to send people to space. Here we have a 310 centimeter tall Gorilla in heavy robust armor who can easily withstand the forces the fist dish out and is also Class M in LS. Meaning he can stop himself from going flying with ease by Armstronging or grabbing onto something.

 

[Kachon123]

@MannyQ361 I voted Armored Gorilla btw

 

[IDK3465]

The entire shtick about the fists BFR is that they punch with enough force to send people to space. Here we have a 310 centimeter tall Gorilla in heavy robust armor who can easily withstand the forces the fist dish out and is also Class M in LS. Meaning he can stop himself from going flying with ease.

Wait, in order to resist upward force, you need to, well, apply force downward, which you can’t really do unless you have levitation or some crap

So, unless AG grabs onto something in time, he’s gonna go into space, LS can’t really save you from that

(Plus, like, if he grabs a pole or something, won’t it just break? Like, it’s a giant gorilla in metal armor being launched at MINIMUM escape velocity, nothing in the environment would be able to resist that level of force)

 

[Kachon123]

Wait, in order to resist upward force, you need to, well, apply force downward, which you can’t really do unless you have levitation or some crap

Funnily enough, Armored Gorilla's LS value comes from him applying a downward force with his arm. He could very easily clash fists with Skips and cancel out the upward force of his BFR.

 

[IDK3465]

Funnily enough, Armored Gorilla's LS value comes from him applying a downward force with his arm. He could very easily clash fists with Skips and cancel out the upward force of his BFR>

Can he do it against the air or some shit?

 

[Kachon123]

Can he do it against the air or some shit?

What do you mean?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Wait, in order to resist upward force, you need to, well, apply force downward, which you can’t really do unless you have levitation or some crap

Hold on, Hold on we're getting somewhere. How much force does Skips produce? Ohhhhh, 19 Kilotons, 3823 tons in terms of LS force? Ahhh okay okay, and Gorilla upscales HEAVILY from 16 Kilotons and has a causal LS force of 3166 tons. His armor increases his Durability aswell. That means the force would decipate when it comes into contact with his armor, because how can less than a 1.2x AP to durability difference send someone flying? It isn't nearly strong enough and its not sending him to space either

 

[Raiden38]

Read.

need to apply it to the profile

 

[Kachon123]

need to apply it to the profile

Done.

 

[Raiden38]

Done.

Nice mate
for now I'm still slightly undecided, I'll vote later maybe

 

[IDK3465]

Hold on, Hold on we're getting somewhere. How much force does Skips produce? Ohhhhh, 19 Kilotons, 3823 tons in terms of LS force? Ahhh okay okay, and Gorilla upscales HEAVILY from 16 Kilotons and has a causal LS force of 3166 tons. His armor increases his Durability aswell. That means the force would decipate when it comes into contact with his armor, because how can less than a 1.2x AP to durability difference send someone flying? It isn't nearly strong enough and its not sending him to space either

Well, the force of Skips’ punch isn’t LS, but Striking Strength, so you can’t really use the value on the profile to argue anything

Realistically, Skips would have to be punching WAY above 3823 Tons, like, in order to send Klorgbane into orbit, he’d need at least like upper Class G SS or something,

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Well, the force of Skips’ punch isn’t LS, but AP, so you can’t really use the value on the profile to argue anything

Realistically, Skips would have to be punching WAY above 3823 Tons, like, in order to send Klorgbane into orbit, he’d need at least like upper Class G or something

Which means there should be a calc for it. Its clear the AP difference here isn't even close to being significantly different to the point Skips could send Gorilla flying. Applying this logic to characters with significantly greater AP than Skips, these arguments made would imply 7-C Skips could send a 6-A character flying simply because he has BFR punch to space, which isn't the case and far from it. It requires a huge force difference in AP to achieve that. Its why common feats in fiction where characters send regular humans flying get awarded at least 9-C, which at minimum is 5x higher than Human level (10-B) Iirc

 

[AppleMaker]

"I've seen this before" FRA

 

[IDK3465]

Which means there should be a calc for it. Its clear the AP difference here isn't even close to being significantly different to the point Skips could send Gorilla flying. Applying this logic to characters with significantly greater AP than Skips, these arguments made would imply 7-C Skips could send a 6-A character flying simply because he has BFR punch to space, which isn't the case and far from it. It requires a huge force difference in AP to achieve that. Its why common feats in fiction where characters send regular humans flying get awarded at least 9-C, which at minimum is 5x higher than Human level (10-B) Iirc

Ok, I think you have a big misunderstanding of how force and energy work.

Let's say you have character A, who throws away another character (B) who weighs 70 kg. How much force does A need to apply to B to launch them?
That's right, at least 70 kg, since that's the force from gravity A needs to overcome to get B off the ground.

Now, what if character B was 8-C and had Class 100 LS? Does it suddenly take more effort to lift them?
No, as the main driver of A's LS is not the force B can apply, but B's weight, and if B has no means of pulling themself back down, then there's no reason for A to struggle against B's LS when throwing them.

This is why people don't automatically scale in AP to somebody else just because they threw them around a bit, anyone with decent LS can do that. The thing that makes you scale to someone is if you can actually overpower their force or harm them.

The only reason "launch them into space" isn't as common a win-con is that it's not in-character most of the time. Skips' case is just unique because he actually used it in canon, so he can actually abuse that striking force in combat if he needs to.

So yes, even against a 6-A character, Skips could absolutely still launch them into space (assuming they're not absurdly heavy or have flight or smth).

If you still doubt me, I'd recommend you talk to the staff, they should have a better understanding than I do.

 

[Kachon123]

Now, what if character B was 8-C and had Class 100 LS? Does it suddenly take more effort to lift them?
No, as the main driver of A's LS is not the force B can apply, but B's weight, and if B has no means of pulling themself back down, then there's no reason for A to struggle against B's LS when throwing them.

This is not a case where Skips grabs Armored Gorilla and throws him in the air. He's launching him sky-high with a punch. A punch with equal energy and force moving in the opposite direction will cancel that out.

Skips punches up at Armored Gorilla -> Armored Gorilla punches down at Skips -> fists clash -> nobody gets launched

 

[IDK3465]

This is not a case where Skips grabs Armored Gorilla and throws him in the air. He's launching him sky-high with a punch. A punch with equal energy and force moving in the opposite direction will cancel that out.

Skips punches up at Armored Gorilla -> Armored Gorilla punches down at Skips -> fists clash -> nobody gets launched

You can't punch back against an upward force to cancel out the force. If you lack any leverage, then you're gonna be competing against both your opponent's force and the force of the ground acting against you. While that does mean your opponent will get hurt, you will also experience the recoil of the punch, but this time without anything to catch you, resulting in you being sent into the air.

 

[Kachon123]

You can't punch back against an upward force to cancel out the force. If you lack any leverage, then you're gonna be competing against both your opponent's force and the force of the ground acting against you. While that does mean your opponent will get hurt, you will also experience the recoil of the punch, but this time without anything to catch you, resulting in you being sent into the air.

You claimed that this was a feat of striking strength rather than lifting strength. What that means is that there will be no extended power struggle between them were Skips needs to overpower Armored Gorilla in order send him flying. Since Armored Gorilla's striking strength is similar to Skips', the two forces will counter each other without the BFR taking place.