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Related threads: Ancient Magic hax
Ancient magic users: Gravity, Time, Space, Soul, Creation, Metamorphosis, Information
Ancient Magic:
Concept Magic:
Goddess/Spirit Authority:
Conception:
Apparition only depend on conception
They could nullify and resist A.M.
Apparitions could damage the Heaven Tree barrier
Conclusion:
Anciens Magic(Law&CM2): is knowledge on how to use energy to manipulate reality on a fundamental level. (Universal laws, concepts, facts, aspects)
Concept Magic(Law&CM2 or CM1):
2)They need energy to materialise which prove they're not a part of reality.
3)These concepts are superior and beyond all of A.M. which are the concepts of gravity, time, space, soul, matter and informations(1&2) which further support it being outside of reality.
4)These concepts are independent from their creator.
Authority(Law&CM2 or CM1): The goddess and spirits power come from the great trees. Their authority could manipulate conception and was stated to be equal to C.M.
Conception(Law&CM2 or CM1):
1)Conception is just ideas from the collective mind given power by it.
2)It's fundmental (Possibly beyond info type 2)
3)It's similar to C.M. in its nature(will/emotion) and it could provide a resistance to authorities and C.M.
4)It's also independent of the person or thing it govern.
Agree: @PrinceofPein(Except CM1) ,@Community_Gamer(Except CM1) ,@Everything12(Except CM1) ,@Lloydblitzed ,@Reiner04(Except CM1) ,@Elizhaa
Disagree:
Neutral:
Ancient magic users: Gravity, Time, Space, Soul, Creation, Metamorphosis, Information
Ancient Magic:
Ancient magic users are just people with knowledge and affinity for it.
The three of them stepped inside it. Since Miledi herself had been the one to test them here, there was no spell that searched their memories like the one in Orcus’ home. Instead, the knowledge of how to use the ancient magic she protected was transferred directly to their brain. Hajime and Yue had gone through this once before, so they didn’t show any reaction, but Shea jumped in surprise when it happened.
In just a few seconds, all three of them had the knowledge of how to use Miledi’s ancient spell.
“This is... I knew it, a spell that lets you manipulate gravity"
“That’s right~ My specialty was gravity magic. Make sure you use it well... Or so I’d like to say, but it looks like you and that bunny girl over there don’t have any affinity for it. Like none at all, holy cow!”
“Oh shut up. I figured that would happen anyway.” Just as Miledi had said, though Hajime and Shea now had the knowledge of how to manipulate gravity, they wouldn’t easily be able to use it. It was like how Yue didn’t have any aptitude for the creation magic Hajime used.
“Well, that bunny girl over there can at least use it well enough to make herself heavier. And you... you’ve got your creation magic, so think of something. At least Blondie over here is fit to use it. Train hard until you master it, okay?” Vol 2 p335
The memory scan finished, and the circle deemed that they had indeed conquered the labyrinth. Another branch of magic from the age of the gods was inscribed into their minds. Vol 5 p244
Hajime braced for the usual memory-reading that happened when he stepped into one of these. However, this time, it was different. It felt like the memory probe was reaching far deeper into his brain, and he groaned in pain. He worried he might have walked into a trap, but that worry vanished a second later. He was verified as someone who had conquered this labyrinth, and the ancient magic of this labyrinth’s Liberator was imprinted into his mind.
“Spirit magic?”
“Hrm. It seems this magic lets you interfere directly with others’ souls." Vol 6 p145
The usual sensation that accompanied having their memories read assailed the party, then Hajime and the girls felt knowledge of this labyrinth’s ancient magic forcibly imprinted onto their minds. Vol 8 p270
"The power of my ancient magic, evolution magic, allows you to enhance all other forms of power, no matter how weak. You should already have been granted the knowledge of how to use it. But that’s not where the true worth of this magic lies." Vol 8 p272
"Well, the reason for that is... I guess, simply put, our brains got overheated with information.”
“What do you mean by that?”
Shea cocked her head in confusion.
“Uh, so, when the knowledge of how to use the final ancient magic, metamorphosis magic, reached our brains, we learned how to do something else too. But that knowledge put too much stress on our minds, and we lost consciousness.”
“Hrmmm... The only thing powerful enough to bring you two to your knees would be... the knowledge of how to use concept magic, correct?” Vol 10 p211
"Mmm... Plus, understanding them all is so difficult that you need to be strong enough to clear every labyrinth to withstand the burden the knowledge places on your mind.”
That was the reason the Liberators had required potential challengers to clear every labyrinth before bestowing upon them the knowledge of concept magic. Now that Hajime and Yue had acquired all seven of them, they realized their understanding of each ancient magic had been lacking.Vol 10 p215
「The magic circle for pillaging soul that is used in “God’s Eye” and the magic circle for recovering soul that woman used looked really similar to each other. I think that they are the inverse of each other.」
「Certainly, that might be the case.」
「The memo recorded the magic circle for passing down age of god magic that we ran into at the great dungeons. I think the knowledge transfer and memory browsing should be similar with this magic circle.」
「In other words……you’re telling me to reproduce the soul recovery magic?」Ch 4
A.M. govern laws and concepts
“Asura.” That was the trigger for her spell. A spell that incorporated the gravity magic she had inherited from Miledi Reisen, powerful enough to influence the laws of the universe. It was such a difficult spell to master that even Yue, a vampire princess gifted with godlike talent in all areas of magic, needed time to build up the mana to cast it. Vol 3 p240
"Umm, so Shizuku-chan. You know how all the magic we use is a degraded version of the magic they had in the age of the gods, right?”
“Yes. I studied up a little on this world. Ancient magic is the stuff that comes up in all the old histories, right? They were able to control the core elements that govern the laws of this world, while the elements we have are all derivatives... Vol 6 p219
"Anyway, what I meant about the general idea was that. Every ancient magic lets you manipulate some fundamental fact of nature, but until now, we didn’t realize which ones they all were. And in order to use concept magic, you have to understand the fundamental aspects of every ancient magic.” Vol 10 p215
"I see. So every ancient magic can interfere with some fundamental abstract concept. I guess that’s too much for normal humans to handle. No wonder you can’t just make something to take us home... From the sound of it, it’ll be pretty difficult to combine all the right elements together...” Vol 10 p216
The true nature of restoration magic involved interfering with the concept of time, and Godspeed made it so that the time every single one of Kaori’s actions took was reduced to a fraction of its normal use. That included everything from the time it took Kaori’s attacks to reachher enemies to the time it took for her to move from place to place. Vol 13 p111
Over a dozen spheres were circling Miledi, and Ahat’s feathers could no longer disintegrate them. Miledi was darting around at supersonic speed, but her movements were as unpredictable and as smooth as a leaf in the wind. Moreover, Miledi was mitigating the g-forces acting upon her body by creating multiple gravity fields within her to absorb the force of her inertia. Her movements were flawless. This was something she could have achieved only by fully understanding the concept of gravity. Which meant she could now wield her power in new ways. Zero Vol 4 p325
A sky-blue sun. Miledi was shining with such overwhelming radiance that it felt as though she was illuminating the entire world.
“You’ll lend me your strength, right?” Miledi muttered.
Extremely dense tendrils of power gathered around her, making her dazzling radiance multiply tenfold. She was drawing power from the sky, the clouds, the air, the earth, and even the trees. The mana enveloping her was the mana of nature. Just as how rivers all flowed into the sea, power was flowing into her from all of nature. The mana spiraled around her, forming a miniature galaxy of light. One look at her was enough to make it clear who Miledi had asked for strength...
The planet itself. The planet was lending Miledi its power. Miledi’s gravity was drawing in the power of all nature. For the third time that day, the battle below came to a halt as everyone stared at Miledi. They all stared in awe at the dazzling sky-blue sun expanding above them. Zero Vol 4 p326
During the war, Miledi had only been able to reach this level of skill with Lyutillis’s help, but now things were different. According to Miledi, she’d understood the true nature of her ancient magic, and that was what had given her such a huge power-up. Supposedly, the true nature of gravity magic was the ability to interact with the energy contained within the planet itself. A normal human could only manage to affect the planet’s gravity, or its rotational forces, but theoretically gravity magic was also capable of moving the planet’s tectonic plates and messing with geothermal and magnetic forces to alter the climate.
Ancient magic was magic capable of altering the fundamental laws of the universe. In Miledi’s case, that meant she could absorb mana from Tortus itself in addition to her newfound gravity manipulation skills. Of course, there was a limit to how much her body and soul could withstand, but she could otherwise absorb an infinite amount. Zero Vol 5 p373
The true power of his gauntlet, after all.The true nature of creation magic was the ability to manipulate all inorganic matter, including minerals and metals that possessed magical properties. In fact, when he made new artifacts with Miledi and the others’ help, he had them use their magic so he could imbue it into the material he wanted. And when he’d realized the fundamental concept behind what he’d been doing, Oscar had realized he could theoretically do the same with his enemies’ magic. Zero Vol 6 p157
Natural ancient magic users had the power to interfere with one of the fundamental laws of nature imprinted onto their souls at birth. However, that meant their souls were already “dyed” in such a way that they couldn’t be modified any further. Ironically, only ancient magic users were incapable of learning other ancient magic. Zero Vol 6 p423
Concept Magic:
C.M. has showed superiority over A.M.
Ehit's domain:
It was stated to be omnipotent
Note: Evolution Magic also known as Info or Sublimation magic manipulate the fundamental informations of reality including other A.M. but not C.M."As its name suggests, evolution magic causes other power to evolve. Naturally, that includes other ancient magic. Creation magic, gravity magic, spirit magic, transformation magic, spatial magic, and restoration magic... These are all powerful branches of magic that manipulate the fundamental forces that govern this world. If you were to evolve them all and combine them, you would give birth to a magic that surpasses all others. Magic that could truly be considered godlike... Concept magic.” Vol 8 p272
"Concept magic is exactly what it sounds like. It can bring forth any concept its user can imagine, granting them the powers of a god. However, even if you manage to collect all the ancient magic, mastering concept magic won’t be easy. For concept magic operates not on theory, but on force of will. You will need an unbelievably powerful will to bend this magic to your desires.” Vol 8 p273
"You guys have already fulfilled the conditions necessary to use concept magic.”
According to Alfard, concept magic quite literally allowed someone to materialize concepts into physical reality. There were no rules, no restrictions to what could be done with it. It truly was the ultimate type of magic. But in order to use concept magic, a person needed to interact with the seven fundamental rules of the universe, understand them intimately, and possess a massive amount of mana. And then, they needed a final key that was so difficult to grasp that the secrets of concept magic had been lost to time.
“All you guys need now is an unbelievably powerful will.” Zero Vol 6 p291
So far, they hadn’t been able toactivate it even once. They’d tried meditating, using restoration magic to relive past tragedies and rile themselves up, and had even used spirit magic to manipulate their emotions. Oscar had prepared a bunch of artifacts to try to imbue with concept magic if they ever managed to get it working as well, but despite their best efforts and the combined might of all of their mana, the seven of them just couldn’t seem to get concept magic working.
They wanted to find a way into Ehit’s domain, or a way to drag him down to Tortus, as well as a way to kill him. However, every time their attempts fizzled out, it felt like they were being told their desire to destroy him wasn’t strong enough, which was a lot more mentally taxing than they’d initially expected. Zero Vol 6 p293
Miledi explained that they’d finally succeeded in creating things with concept magic. They’d managed to create multiple trump cards against Ehit...all while completely wasted.
The first thing they’d made was the Godslayer Dagger. It was a small, twenty-centimeter-long dagger with a sky-blue blade imbued with the power to kill gods. The second thing they’d created was the Compass of Eternal Paths. It looked more like a pocket watch with just one needle than a compass, but the concept magic it was imbued with pointed the needle to whatever the user desired most. Finally, the last thing they’d created was the Arrow of Boundaries. It was an arrow made of black quartz, and it was imbued with concept magic that allowed it to destroy any and all boundaries. Zero Vol 6 p298
“Are you willing to kill her to get this back?” the girl said in a low, gravelly voice that clearly wasn’t hers. She grinned wickedly, and Miledi and the others immediately realized that Ehit had possessed her and was using her body as a shield. Ehit then hugged the arrow close and with a silver flash, destroyed it with disintegration magic.
Split in half, the arrow lost its rainbow aura, and Ehit tossed the broken ends away like they were nothing. Zero Vol 6 p409
Meiru had managed to restore the arrow’s outward appearance, but it no longer gave off the unique signature concept magic did. Zero Vol 6 p410
“Concept magic... is even stronger than ancient magic and can do anything, right? Does that mean we can go back home to Japan? Can you use it already?” Vol 10 p211
“It is precisely because he lost Yue that he managed to reach this level. You heard what he said as well, did you not?”
The two of them stared blankly at her for a second, then shivered in fear as they realized what concept Hajime must have actualized.
His bottomless rage at having lost Yue had coalesced into an overwhelming apathy. What value was there in a world devoid of his beloved? What reason was there to continue existing in a world without Yue? In Hajime’s mind, there was none. He wouldn’t forgive this world for stealing Yue away from him. Nor would he accept the existence of such a world.
That was why he’d been able to cast concept magic that erased the very existence of everything his chains touched. Hope had driven him to create the Crystal Key, but the complete opposite feeling, despair, fueled his current concept magic. Vol 11 p131
"I suspect anything those chains touch will be removed from existence. Unfortunately, I lack the strength to evacuate you to the floor below with the others. Do not stray from my side no matter what.”
Tio’s conjecture was right on the mark. Hajime’s concept magic was based on evolution magic’s ability to manipulate information. Specifically, anything the chains touched had the information that made up their existence overwritten. In the eyes of the world, they went from “exists” to “doesn’t exist.”
It looked as though the chains were cutting through things, but in truth, anything they touched had its existence erased.
It was little wonder that Alva was afraid of them. Hajime’s erasure was so absolute that even restoration magic couldn’t fix the wounds it caused. Vol 11 p131
My ancestor apparently possessed a very powerful special magic that was a cross between metamorphosis and spirit magic.”
Tio suspected he’d used that special magic to encode his grudge, the knowledge of how to perform the ultimate transformation, and a piece of his soul into his scales. Every dragonman’s soul was imbued with the dragonification factor that allowed them to transform, so putting that plus a hidden, deep-seated grudge into an inanimate object made it seem like it was concept magic despite being fundamentally different. Vol 12 p352
Ehit's domain:
"We need to get to where Ehit is! We have to go through that vortex!”
“I’m trying to get us there! But...shit! I’m sorry.”
The frustration in Naiz’s voice made it clear that even after understanding the true nature of spatial magic—the ability to manipulate boundaries—he still couldn’t push his way into Ehit’s domain.
Laus couldn’t sense any souls on the other side of the vortex either. Lyutillis couldn’t appraise what the vortex was even made of, nor could Miledi find any way to destroy it. Whatever it was, it was beyond even ancient magic. Zero Vol 6 p185
It was stated to be omnipotent
Considering how omnipotent this compass was, it was possible it might even be able to answer that. The moment Hajime thought that, the needle began to spin. It appeared Shea had activated it. When it finally came to a stop, the entire party looked curiously in the direction the needle was pointing. Vol 8 p378
In exchange for being effectively omnipotent, concept magic took an absurd amount of mana and a long time to cast. And speed was the most important factor during a hostage scenario, so it was the least suitable magic for the task. Vol 11 p27
From the previous scans, it's clear that Concept Magic is not a part of reality while governing it and being superior to type 2 concepts and infi type 2 at the same time.
CM EE propety remained
Concept magic existing for thousands of years after the person death.
CM EE propety remained
This was the final concept magic he’d prepared to take down Ehitruje. The concept magic that denied the existence of anything it touched, the very same concept magic he’d created when he’d felt true despair after Yue had been stolen from him at the Demon Lord’s castle. When his chains had disappeared, so had the concept magic he’d imbued them with, but by using Expanded Transmutation, he’d managed to salvage a thimbleful’s worth of existence-denying material, which he’d then hidden in his back tooth. Vol 13 p217
Concept magic existing for thousands of years after the person death.
At least it shows that once a concept is created it could exist independently from its creator.She must have a reason why she couldn’t possibly give up. It was a terrific willpower.
Perhaps that was why, it occurred.
“She” herself must not have realized what she was doing.
Richly colored light was emitted from “her” as she crawled desperately. Hajime and Yue didn’t know what it was. They had no knowledge of it.
When they looked at “him”, it seemed that “he” knew what it was. It must be a divine act. But, apparently it was something that should be completely impossible based on how astonished “he” looked.
“He” attacked in a panicked hurry, but all of his attacks were swallowed by the richly colored light and didn’t reach “her”. Far from that, it seemed that he couldn’t even touch the light. He was getting cornered toward the wall as the light kept spreading.
“He” turned a gaze that was a mix of resignation and anger toward “her” who wouldn’t even look at him anymore. At the end his face turned expressionless and he teleported away to somewhere.
After that, “She” arrived at this place, the central control room with desperate effort. But,
「So, this is her huh.」
「……I wonder what did she want to do.」
She didn’t reach. She was crying while reaching out with her hand, her expression was dyed with guilt. In the end she expired while her mouth was saying something. Mysteriously, the richly colored light that denied everything from reaching her still remained even after that.
Seeing how “him” also didn’t come back, it must be a type of barrier.
「As expected it seemed like it didn’t last until this era.」
「It vanished far away in the past. And then this facility degraded from the passage of time that was so long, that even the geography on the surface had changed. And then a part of this facility got unearthed by the fighting of the monsters.」
Goddess/Spirit Authority:
Their authority come from the great trees in each realm.
Elemental Spirits:
Their authority remained thousands of years after their "death"
Goddess could manipulate conception
It's equal to C.M.
「……Four, great spirits?」
The winged woman of the sacred peak who possessed the ability to rule over the weather, the spirit of four seasons who were in charge of the world’s climate, Leidia.
The great snake of the mountains and hills who possessed authority over the planet’s force itself, the spirit of creation who managed the land and magic particles, Grandia.
The centaur who possessed the authority of omnipresent space and time, the spirit of protection who managed the time and space, Fordia.
The maiden of the lake who possessed the authority of the transmigration of life, the spirit of life who managed the water and soul, Urdia.
The new spherical display projected the great tree Ua Alto and the great spirits who peacefully served it with respect from the four directions. The great tree stood far taller than even its current self with height that pierced the sky. Its branches and leaves were luscious and gentle light enveloped the whole thing. It was radiating sacredness that made it worthy to be described as god tree.
Yes, the four great spirits were existences that the great tree gave birth to in order to keep the world in balance. SS2 Ch4
Elemental Spirits:
『……It can’t be helped.』
The divine spirit who somehow recovered his calm muttered with small voice.
Actually, a clear death didn’t exist for divine spirit. Although, they also weren’t invincible. Because they were existence of nature phenomenon with their own will, their existence was depending on their will――in other word their mental strength.
In other words, if they were damaged to the extent they lost the willpower to regenerate, they would lose strength or get forced into dormant state for a while. They would become unable to materialize for a few years to dozens of years. Ch 333
Or to be more accurate, the orbs were treasure warehouse that was their new dwelling. Inside each orb there was a world that was modeled after nature to their preference, in addition, the orb of star tree that was set up at the deepest part of Vire Drucken was connected to all the orbs. Like that, through the orbs, the power of spirit element and the power of soul fragment could be manifested.
With god clad mode the war hammer entered activation state. By calling the name of the divine spirit, the hammer would change into a mode that ruled over each nature. Rather than saying that it was Shia herself who invoked the phenomenon, it was the divine spirits who were made to activate the phenomenon that Shia wished for.
By the way, the formula and the crest were optional from Hajime. If asked whether it was necessary or not, it was completely unnecessary. But, it was cool so it was necessary! It was so necessary that even the soul fragments needed seven days and seven nights to invent their own crest with Hajime’s suggestion!
Also, the nature inside the orb, it became like that on its own. At first Hajime’s idea was for the soul fragments to enter into the orb only when it was time to fight. So to speak, it would be like a pilot entering the cockpit.
But……as expected from the soul fragments of divine spirits and the star tree’s foliage that governed over nature. When they noticed, nature was born inside the orb and the inside became more comfortable to live in instead of outside, so they settled down inside there.
They were free to come out but……at present, everyone had become a splendid shut-in NEET soul fragment.
Their authority remained thousands of years after their "death"
In any case, the flow of battle was decided. That result left behind the scars that still remained even until this era.
First, Fordia (Spirit of Protection) was taken down at the fortress of the southern continent. At his last moment, the Centauros who was able to freely control time and space made his authority went berserk and created the stagnation phenomenon of molecular movement, which resulted in the land of extreme cold within a limited area.
As could be easily guessed, it was the snowy region that was always freezing for thousands of years――[Schnee Snowfield].
Next, Leidia (Spirit of Four Seasons) was taken down at the [Northern Mountain Range]. The death of the Harpy caused the change of season to be lost to the world. In exchange the mountain range became the only place that was ruled by chaotic seasons for eternity.
And last, Grandia (Spirit of Creation) used up its life to divide the continent into the north and south before it ran out of strength.
It did that in order to protect at least the living things in the south continent from the effect of the humongous magic that “he” fired from the [God Mountain] toward the south. It created a great valley and disintegrated its body to seep into the valley, creating a barrier of magic dispersion. That was the origin of [Raisen Great Valley]. SS2 Ch4
Goddess could manipulate conception
「Enough with this alreadyyy-」
Her posing switched to the pose of most muscular! Her deltoid and trapezius muscles swelled out and both her arms displayed artistic muscle lines! They displayed what could only be called as a mountain belt area that was formed by the muscles of just a single person!!!!!
Immediately, the pressure of the dragon god that was squatting at the sky drastically lessened. It was the authority that made the avatar of the Heaven Tree worthy to be called a goddess――the absolute right to interfere directly toward thought element and conception――the authority shaved the majority of the dragon god’s power. It was a mystery though why the authority activated in conjunction with the posing! Ch 417
It's equal to C.M.
With featHajime took out the compass from his pocket at the same time with Tio starting the past replay.
「……You child of man, have created something truly impressive.」
She must have seen through the extraordinary ability of the compass in one glance. Lutria’s feeling went past shock and into a bit of exasperation.
「I understand what it is you wish to ask. It is whether that object’s ability is superior compared to a goddess’s authority or not isn’t it?」
「Yeah, your opinion?」
「Though the nature is different, I can safely say that it is equal in the relevant world.」Ch 492
Note: both the crysral key and the compass use Concept magic.「Or rather, the teleport destination, it got slightly shifted……this star tree is something, not bad.」
Hajime who grumbled that looked around and smiled wryly.
The place they teleported to seemed to be the edge of the star tree’s solitary island――above a cliff. They planned to teleport directly to the star tree’s location, but apparently the space was interfered with and they ended up on the island’s edge.
In the end, was it the star tree that was absurd with how it obstructed the Crystal Key’s teleportation ability, or was it the Crystal Key that was absurd with how it overcame the obstruction of a god of a world and teleported the user through even if it was only to the edge of the stronghold ? Ch 340
Conception:
Thought element ≈ Conception
Conception ≈ Concept
"Conception of Wind"=Concept of wind
「I can guess. The origin that produces life in this world, the energy that the apparitions needed to live……this thought element thing is in influx and vanishing right?」
「Tsu, how did you……」
「I’m just guessing but, they are like that because of being starved aren’t they? Even humans would go mad like that when starved.」
「……If I can add, as the result of the influx and circulation slowing down, the thought element of this world is stagnating. That’s also one of the causes.」
「So it’s like the air is polluted.」
「Yes. Because of that they lost all reason and……」
「They are seized by their ego that is the origin of their existence. They are showing disposition just like in their legend while swarming at the heaven tree that is the tree producing their food. In reality the influx of conception hasn’t actually reach zero right?」Ch 385
「Err……should I materialize your form if it pleases you? The type of our power is different though, so it will only be a transient and temporary form.」
「Oo, as expected from a goddess. This is the first time I really feel that you’re a goddess.」
「……That’s sad in its own way though.」
While they were saying that, Aularodde combined the conception residing in Enti slime with her thought element and temporarily materialize Enti’s actual form.
Like that, from inside the converging light――
「Fua!? I return to human form!? Wait, what is the meaning of thisss! The connection between the treasure warehouse worlds was suddenly cut off! And your presence also suddenly turned small!」Ch 388
Conception ≈ Concept
“Black Sky Destitution” was different from the similar gravity magic “Severance Calamity”. It wasn’t a magic to reduce the target into dust using gravitational pressure. It was an annihilation magic.
There was no problem here because the residents of fairy world could revive somewhere as long as they had concept and thought element, but if that wasn’t the case, there was a possibility that the racial power balance of this world would crumble from the destruction here. Ch 417
"Conception of Wind"=Concept of wind
「Saviro-san, you have the affection of a wind god-sama!」
「We understand because we were born from a wind god-sama!」
「Wind god? What do you mean?」
From their story, it seemed this fairy sisters were the children of a god of this world who originated from the legend of a god related to wind. That was why nobody else could rival them when it came to the sharp sense of sensing the wind.
「But, I only came to this world several hours ago. I never met a wind god you know?」
「Then, perhaps it’s a god in savior-san’s world? There is a strong and pretty presence of wind around you.」
「Yep yep! You see, mister. The wind is connected anywhere in the world. Surely that god too marked you mister so they can sense you wherever you are.」Ch 388
Note: He he the affection of the elemental spirit of wind born from the great tree of another world.「……My, it’s true. Perhaps because it’s from different world, even I can’t sense it unless I focus, but certainly I’m feeling a presence of divinity. These children can sense it only because they are the beloved children of a wind god.」
Aularodde made an expression as though she was seeing an unnatural phenomenon. To think that there was someone who felt concerned for this terrifying brute, what kind of wind god with screw loose they could possibly be?
Hajime made a motion to throw away the mask. Aularodde’s expression immediately turned serious.
「It seems the small Heaven Tree is recovering well……yes, I can manage it somehow, but only if the other side is inclined to answer. This doesn’t seem like a mere god of foreign world, but a child of the avatar of another world, it won’t be difficult if I trace the presence of this wind――no, this conception.」Ch 388
The green slime――the offshoot spirit of a subordinate god of Lutria, the avatar of Star Tree of Star Spirit World, “Divine Spirit of Flowing Sky Enti”. The god who governed over the world’s sky and wind jiggled 『W-what are you talking about?』 while playing stupid. Ch 388
「Enti has the aptitude to become an avatar huh?」
「Yes, there is no problem. Her aptitude isn’t as high as me, but she has an average aptitude like the successive generations of the previous goddesses. She will be able to fulfill the role as avatar satisfactorily in the peaceful time.」
「Is that because it’s her personally? Or is it because she has the divinity to govern a part of the nature as someone personally created by an avatar?」
「I don’t know about that. Or rather I don’t understand what kind of law this person called Lutria used to create this child. I can understand why her aptitude is so high if the way she created her was by sharing her own existence, but that should be a difficult method that might destroy herself if she took just a single wrong step. I too can possibly do something like that, but I never considered doing it. I think the possibility of that child having high aptitude coincidentally is higher.」
Conception act as their subconsciousness「Apparitions are existences that is born from legends of other worlds. The heaven tree absorbed the thoughts of the people that are filled with those legends and grant them shape. The heaven tree is the lynchpin of this world with such role.」
According to her, the residences of this world were existences that were materialized from the legends of other worlds.
Legends were the wishes and prayers of the people, or perhaps objects of reverence, or even symbols of fear.
Those things were called as “conception” in general. It was a form of energy that was similar to magic power and the like.
And then, this conception existed in any world. The heaven world absorbed those conceptions through the great trees of other worlds, converted them into the unique energy of this world that was called “thought element”, and gave it form.
「Then……that nine-tails and karasu tengu……they are really existences like in the books?」
「No hero-sama. Certainly the origin of the apparitions are legends, so they possess similar ability. However, their personality is different. They are born in this world, and the self of each of them is established while living in this world. They aren’t existence inside fairy tales, but a living life in this world.」Ch 385
「T-there is no room for discussion. They are insane apparitions. They lost their rational minds due to the world’s rupture, then influenced by their legend that act as their instinct, they become an existence that only sought the heavens tree that is the source of their conception.」Ch 384
Lutria is the same goddess who obstructed the crystal key destination.「I see……that’s why you said that they are immortal.」
「Yes. An apparition’s death will only come when the legend that is their origin is completely forgotten.」
Aularodde nodded and continued explaining. According to her, naturally the existences that were talked in mythology――the like of god, divine beast, and evil god seemed to exist too.
There was no mythology bunch among the invasion this time was because in the past Aularodde had faced them at the very beginning and defeated them. Even now she kept interfering with the conception to prevent them from being revived.
In other words, she succeeded in temporarily sealing the mythological existences, but because of that Aularodde’s power was constantly being greatly limited.
Hearing that, Hajime recalled the relationship between Lutria and her divine spirits. He understood that Aularodde’s original power must be terrific and asked. Ch 385
Apparition only depend on conception
「Our Myuu is apparently attracting existences that are mysterious even in this earth.」
「You mean, legendary existences?」
「Yes. Thinking carefully, isn’t it strange? Even though this place is a treasury of conception, earth has no thought element that is necessary for their materialization.」
Hajime’s question was reasonable. Aularodde nodded in comprehension.
「There are two possibilities that come to mind.」
The first possibility was that the existences that were talked in legend weren’t just fantasy existences, but creatures that really existed in reality.
In other words they were similar existences like the devils. Devils are mythological existences that were talked in bible and the like, but they were actually otherworlders who really existed in another world called hell. Similar with that, if they were just a strange creature then they had no need for thought elements.
And then the other possibility was “the existences crossed from the fairy world before the king tree perished and they were surviving until now”.
「There is no thought element so if they die then that’s it for them. They can’t revive like in fairy world, but the conception of them itself exist. Without external factor affecting them, it’s possible for them to continue existing without going mad.」Ch 402
They could nullify and resist A.M.
――OoOOOOOOOOOOOO-
As expected from divine beings. The dragon gods endured even after getting swallowed into the “Black Sky Destitutions”. They all roared and unbelievably tore through the ultimate magic from the inside.
From the start they were able to make their large bodies flew in the sky. Naturally they at least had the authority to interfere with gravity.
In addition, right after all the “Black Sky Destitutions” vanished, the dragon gods also vanished from view. Right after that, they appeared once more above Yue. It seemed they could also interfere with space. Ch 417
「I command under the name of Yue――”Kneel”」
The words of power that directly interfered into soul――”Divine Word” mercilessly penetrated deep into the apparitions.
The reaction of the apparitions that were already trembling just from feeling the presence went without saying, but even the oni type beings who only came here to screw around also fell to their knees without exception. Those who were in the sky landed with a free fall and grinded their forehead on the ground.
They did that while feeling aghast of their own action after several moments passed.
Although, as expected those who were in the high apparition class or above were able to shake off the word’s effect. The dragon god class didn’t even stop attacking. Ch 417
Apparitions could damage the Heaven Tree barrier
The space was assaulted by a severe quake right at that moment.
「What!?」
「It must be the reason you are called to this world anyway. I don’t know if it’s an attack or a natural disaster though.」
「To begin with where is this place? Even the horizon doesn’t look definite.」
Hajime shrugged while Kousuke was looking around. The two of them were really calm for being someone in the middle of severe quake that attacked intermittently. Kouki turned a little red faced. It seemed he was embarrassed for being the only one panicked.
And so he tried to calm himself to ask Aularodde but,
「T-this is bad! The barrier is breaking-」Ch 383
At the existence that temporarily blew away the smog and sparse clouds that were covering the air.
The severe quake was still going on even now. It made the barrier around the heaven tree to flicker in rainbow color visibly.
The cause of that was floating in the air wreathed in lightning with violent lightning attack surging out madly――it was a beast.
Kousuke spoke with an expression that was between admiration and bewilderment.
「Say, if it’s not my misunderstanding, isn’t that thing something really famous?」
「It’s totally famous. I don’t know what that thing actually is, but its appearance is completely the same. I’m feeling a bit moved.」
That beast had nine tails. It was a huge fox that was around eight or nine meters long.
Yes, the culprit that attacked the heaven tree was the famous representative of great apparition that most people would know about even if they were unfamiliar with subculture or legend or old tale――it was the nine-tailed fox. At the very least in appearance.
It ran freely across the sky and storm of lightning attacks surged out without pause from its nine tails.
KAANN High-pitched impact sounds reverberated continuously sounding like the air was being struck. The lightning made their sight covered with flickers of light. Each time that happened the cone shaped barrier that was covering the heaven tree scattered rainbow colored shines. Ch 383
But, as expected even without their sanity, the dragons didn’t just rush headlong.
They aimed at the moment when Blau Niebel’s concentration was focused on the oni and launched a simultaneous attack.
“Kaminari”, “dragon’s roars”, the authorities of destruction and death rushed toward the barrier from all directions.
A creaking sound rang out. The radiance of the heaven’s tree was flickering as though the tree was screaming. Ch 417
「Just now, I said that the apparitions are lives that live in this world, but actually there are also other lives here. They can’t revive like the apparitions.」
「Wha-, you mean they will die normally? Don’t tell me, there were also some among that large group……」
Kouki turned pale. Aularodde gazed at him affectionately like a goddess while gently shaking her head.
「They are lives born in this world. Therefore they don’t need conception from other worlds and they also don’t go mad.」
In exchange, they didn’t have powerful strength like in legend. They had the power of conception that they were born with that would be lost along with passage of time until their lifespan ran out at the end.
The first life that was born with the wish of this world’s gods and apparitions. In a sense they should be called as the descendant of the legends.
The name of that race was,
「――They are called “fairy”.」Ch 385
Ehit godhood:
Ehit's death:
Concept≈Conception:
Ehit's Holy precinct(Domain):
Divine Edict and Soul shell:
“There is a secret technique that uses the power of faith to elevate one’s existence to a higher level...and that technique has undoubtedly granted me divine might. Therefore—”
Ehitruje’s five monster dragons coiled around him. Inhabiting Yue’s body, he looked every bit like an imposing goddess with a host of dragons at his beck and call.In a solemn voice, he intoned, “I am a god.” Vol 13 p157
Ehitruje loved seeing him in such a pathetic state. His fear and panic gone, he smiled at Hajime and explained, “Your concept magic may have worked on me a few thousand years ago, but my very existence has continued to evolve thanks to all of the faith people have placed in me. The sheer level of divinity I possess is too much for a mere god-slaying concept to destroy me. I have reached far greater heights than just that of a god.”
“......”
Ehitruje stopped right in front of Hajime. Then, he raised one foot, showing off a completely unblemished leg.
“Though I admit I wasn’t absolutely certain your concept magic would fail. Besides, even if this body does have the power to repair itself, it would have been unforgivable for my divine being to be injured even in the slightest, so I had no intention of taking that bullet of yours,” Ehitruje stated as he brought his foot down, crushing Hajime’s Treasure Trove. It leaked a bit of light as it shattered, its magic depleted. “You should be proud, Irregular. No one else has managed to make me panic before.” Vol 13 p201
Ehit's death:
“This is checkmate, you third-rate poser.”
Grinning fearlessly, Hajime loaded the bullet into his single-shot revolver and pulled the trigger. The existence-denying bullet shot toward Ehitruje, leaving a crimson trail behind it. It easily cut through the platinum disintegration beam without slowing down in the slightest.
Realizing he couldn’t win, Ehitruje finally decided to try to flee. Vol 13 p218
He kept existing as conception"I don’t...want to...die...” “Why...can’t you understand...that...” “Eternity...is everything...” “I...I am a god...why...?” “I’mnot the one who’s mistaken...you...” “Kneel before me...or I will destroy...” “Behold...the masses of people...worshipping me...giving me...” “No...I don’t want...to die...”
Those words were a manifestation of Ehitruje’s attachment to eternal life, his hatred for those who had disagreed with his ideals, his childlike desire to rule over everything, and his overwhelming narcissism. Ugly as they were though, Hajime could understand Ehitruje’s overwhelming desire to not die, and his wish to destroy everything after he’d been abandoned and left alone.Vol 13 p221
“That thing really is a monster.”
“Mhm. I almost pity it.”
It looked like a giant lump of flesh. Various creatures’ bones, muscles, and skin had been smashed together to form its body, and numerous limbs stuck out of the misshapen lump at odd angles. It also possessed several writhing tentacles that looked utterly grotesque. Simply staring at it was enough to sap one’s sanity with how deranged it looked.
Hajime couldn’t sense anything of Ehitruje’s personality or will from the creature. The existence-denying bullet had indeed killed Ehitruje himself. The only reason he hadn’t completely disappeared was because his attachment to eternal life and desire to trample over everything were so strong that a shade of him composed of only those feelings had remained.
The creature that had once been Ehitruje let out another scream.
“Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!” Vol 13 p223
“All right, you half-dead shade. I’ve got only one thing left to say to you.”
“Yeah.”
The two of them sucked in a deep breath and shouted in unison, “You get what you ******* deserve, you bastard!”
They finished pulling the trigger and the bullet shot out with a surprisingly quiet noise.How dare you use my body to hurt Hajime?! Not even a thousand deaths can atone for such a sin!
Hajime’s thoughts were, of course, in a similar vein to Yue’s. The two of them loved each other so deeply that any time the other was hurt in any way, shape, or form, they immediately flew into a rage. Moreover, the concept packed into that bullet—that one should pay for the sins they’ve wrought—was akin to an encapsulation of the feelings of every single person across the history of Tortus that had been toyed with and trampled on by Ehitruje. A single streak of light shot across the room and, small though it was, it contained the most powerful concept magic that had ever been. All the pain and suffering Ehitruje had inflicted on humanity over his long, long lifetime was coming back to smite him. Vol 13 p231
Concept≈Conception:
His conception kept existing after the erasure of his information and only destroyed through conception. Is that something ?「And there, master. You shot that conception into it.」
Hajime’s last concept magic “Returning the Agony You Spread Out Back at YouIt’s Payback For Everything You Have Done, You Shitty Bastard” that finished off a god.
「Within that chaos, the negative emotions from millions, trillions of death that Ehito and we caused brought the concept of death to us, and as the result, we were annihilated together with Ehito down to our particles but……」
「Where did the prayer filled with faithful and pure wish, the positive conception go to? This is the answer.」Ch 387
Ehit's Holy precinct(Domain):
"We need to get to where Ehit is! We have to go through that vortex!”
“I’m trying to get us there! But...shit! I’m sorry.”
The frustration in Naiz’s voice made it clear that even after understanding the true nature of spatial magic—the ability to manipulate boundaries—he still couldn’t push his way into Ehit’s domain.
Laus couldn’t sense any souls on the other side of the vortex either. Lyutillis couldn’t appraise what the vortex was even made of, nor could Miledi find any way to destroy it. Whatever it was, it was beyond even ancient magic. Zero Vol 6 p185
Divine Edict and Soul shell:
"A-Anyway, please take this!” Miledi said, holding a Treasure Trove out to Alfard. Oscar had made it for him as a token of his thanks. He’d also stuffed it full of unique artifacts, including one he’d made in the process of creating the concept magic artifacts that defended against Ehit’s power of compulsion. That ability had actually been recorded in the Font of Knowledge, and the group now knew that spell was called Divine Edict. Zero Vol 6 p299
Soul shell could also protect them from Apparitions curses and authorities“That Divine Edict of his is just a really powerful spirit magic spell. It imprints the caster’s WILL onto the soul of the target, forcing them to obey all commands. The reason Ehit prefaces each of his commands with his name is because it provides a locus for the spell and forces the target’s attention onto him.”
“I see... Is that also why the spell gets stronger when he uses that longer name?”
“Yeah, I’m guessing that’s his true name. Which is why this... this... **** it, I’m not using that stupid name Miledi gave it!”
“Why don’t we come up with a new name for it?”
It was impressive how Miledi managed to annoy Hajime even when she wasn’t there.
“Hmm, let’s call it Soul Shell for now. It surrounds the user’s soul with their OWN WILL, dispersing the force of Ehit’s commands.” Vol 11 p232
「Tsu, this presence……no good-, “JusoHex” is coming! Physical barrier is meaningless! Please endure it until I purify――」
「Abnormal status effect huh? Oi, Endou, Amanogawa, wear this.」
Some necklaces with glimmering crystal that was like white pearl were tossed. The two of them immediately wore the necklace without asking anything. Right after that,
「Bopyuh!?」
Aularodde-san vomited a ton of blood. Hajime and others were alright with faint crimson light covering their body.
「Wait, Nagumo! Give it to goddess-sama too!」
「Y-yeah. I thought she would be fine because she is a goddess but……crap, the white of her eyes is showing.」
Aularodde was vomiting blood with increasing momentum of bopyuh instead of popyuh. She was slightly making an expression that a goddess shouldn’t make. If it had to be described, she looked like the girl who was possessed by demon in a certain exorcism movie. Just like the girl who was moving with bridge posture, Aularodde-san’s body was also arcing like a bridge with the white of her eyes showing from agony. It was, very scary. And terrible.
Hajime immediately handed the white pearl necklace――the “Soul Shell” which was the improved version of the artifact that was thought up by the liberators to defend against Ehito’s “Divine Word”. This artifact had the function of “neutralizing mental type abnormal status effect”. Ch 384
「Tsu, it’s coming!! Brace――」
There was no sound.
But, an impact hit their souls. The roar made them felt like that. It was a voice of fury toward the insolence of the tiny insects……or perhaps, just an irritated voice.
The soundless and invisible impact was unleashed from Yamato no Orochi. Just from that, some people lost consciousness, while some only barely held on their consciousness while falling to their knees and moaning. There were also those who were in a daze as though their mind had been forced to pause.
Naturally, the “binding magic” that the Tsuchimikado and Shadow Monk deployed also couldn’t be maintained. Even Hinata and Zhen Ying were pressing their chest in pain while staggering on their feet.
It was just a single attack. Although it contained a curse inside it, it was just a roar.
The frontline almost crumbled just from that.
That was the reason why it was a legendary monster.
Even if it was in the level that wasn’t even a thousandth of its original, it wasn’t such a weak existence that could be somehow managed by mere spell from several hundred people.
The only saving grace was that there was nobody who died or went mad. It must be thanks to the soul protection from the artifacts.
Right after Emily contacted Hajime’s side, additional “Soul Shells”, Arachne doctor team, bullet, medicine, and various other support items were delivered, so right now even the Taoists of “Shadow Monk” were also equipped with the protection and somehow endured the attack. Ch 424
Note: The source of apparitions authority is conception.A colony of snake god. That was the true identity of Yato no Kami. The countless snakes that were split and flooded out from that giant body were all Yato no Kami.
『Ying Cong!! Luan Ying!! Use Shiki to deal with them!!』
『『Acknowledged!!』』
They dealt with it using the mass reproduction of “Shiki” from the “mirror”. But, the atmosphere changed further. Their body, no, their soul felt the weight. It felt as though Yato no Kami proclaimed this was a place where human shouldn’t exist, this was its domain――its sacred precinct.
『This is bad-. Take some distance!』
The Taoists of “Shadow Monk” obeyed Zhen Ying’s order and quickly backed away.
But, they were a bit late.
Perhaps it should be called as its authority as a snake god. “Formulation of boundary and formation of sacred precinct”――it created its own domain and inflicted curse of severe weakening toward the hostiles within its range.
The Taoists that escaped too tale experienced it with their own body. More than ten people collapsed on the ground. Zhen Ying summoned the paltry amount of apparitions she had to evacuate them from the domain.
However, the god made another move at that moment.
Red snake eyes gazed directly at the battlefield.
『Tsu, match me!! On Amiriti Unhatta!! On Bazara Satta Unjaku-!!』
Obeying the fright that ran through her spine and the alarm bell that her instinct rang out, Zhen Ying yelled so loudly that her throat almost tore.
Right away, the mantra to plead for prolonging life and annihilating monster toward the Wisdom King Kundali was chanted in unison.
Zhen Ying chose this esoteric ritual for fastening down soul that almost separated from flesh body and appeasing monstrosity. Her choice was correct.
Yato no Kami’s most famous authority――the curse that would destroy anyone who saw its form along with their family was invoked.
It was an unreasonableness that brought destruction for the living and also their relatives just from existing. Such ability was truly worthy for a god.
Dozens of “Shadow Monks” almost ascended to heaven in an instant. But the mantra tied down their soul and the curse of annihilation was successfully pacified to a degree before it attacked everyone. Ch 424
Nature:
Apostles 2.0:
Conception≈Collective Subconsciousness
The others:
Sensing a familiar presence behind her, she turned around and said, “I see you survived, Hearst-sama.”
“Us apostles are simultaneously one and infinity. As an immortal being, it would be impossible for me to die.”
It was indeed the same Hearst that Meiru had sealed away that came to stand next to Lelei. The injuries she’d suffered from Revival Reversal were completely gone.
“There’s no need to act humble. We all know that you’re the first of our lord’s apostles, as well as his favorite.” Zero Vol 6 p195
"Well, if you say so. In that case, think you can try accessing the apostle’s memories?”
“Let’s see...”
Hajime’s plan made sense. There were tons of apostles, and they all had a shared memory bank, meaning their memories were a huge repository of historical knowledge. Thus, if we sifted through their memories, we’d surely be able to find some countermeasures against them.
Unfortunately, there was a problem. Apostles’ memories weren’t stored in their brains like they were with regular people. At the very least, I’d never once been able to access any of this apostle’s memories. I’d actually tried to look at the apostle’s memories before out of curiosity, but I hadn’t been able to find anything. Vol 12 p293
Apostles 2.0:
「This feeling……don’t tell me, they interfered with the thought element on their own?」
Netemp Mother and Etemp-san bent backward in unison. They also didn’t forget to make their fingers and legs snapped up to point above. An overwhelming smugness radiated from them.
「Using Ehito’s formula to convert piety into magic power as reference, we tried our best with apostle’s knowledge, technique, and also “fighting spirit” that we learned from Shia-sama.」Ch 387
「This thought element’s density, the massiveness of the conception……has she really been reborn as apparition――」
「You there! I’m a fairy!」
「N-no, you are composed of thought element of another world, so by definition you are apparition――」
「I – am – a – fai – ry!」
「……Yes, you are a fairy. I can’t believe that you are really reborn as a fairy by your own effort. Especially when the world is at its current state.」
If they were here inside the Heaven Tree, there was a foundation for “fairy” to be born here. However, as expected an apparition that was born from the flow of conception of another world couldn’t do that here.
And yet, Aularodde saw it with her own eyes how Etemp formed herself with conception of another world, and furthermore with a vast amount of it.
「The possibility that I can think of is……that you already have a vast amount of conception dwelling within yourself from the start?」Ch 387
「Master, do you remember? At the last battle against Ehito in the sanctuary, that guy absorbed us.」
「……There is no way I can forget that. It wasn’t just apostles, that bastard also every single monster in the holy precinct. The repulsiveness of the meat lump that resulted from that is still seared clearly in my brain even now.」
Ehito’s last form that was only witnessed by Hajime and Yue――it was a writhing lump of meat that was grotesque and profane. After Hajime took Yue back, Ehito only had his own soul and even that soul was on the verge of vanishing. He was reduced into that shape from his obsession to simply surviving.
「This is something slightly off topic but, we apostles were puppets without a soul as already master knows, but at the same time we were also a record storage of history.」Ch 387
Conception≈Collective Subconsciousness
「It seems that even an existence of a soulless doll like us can have a vast amount of conception dwelling within due to the record of an eternity of history and our position as apostles of god.」
Fairy Etemp continued after Netemp Mother’s words and stared at empty air as though she was recalling something while opening her mouth.
「The conception dwelling within Ehito and the conception within us apostles, and in addition sacred beasts that existed in legend and vast amount of conception directed toward magical beasts were mixed chaotically within that lump of meat.」
「And there, master. You shot that conception into it.」
Hajime’s last concept magic “Returning the Agony You Spread Out Back at YouIt’s Payback For Everything You Have Done, You Shitty Bastard” that finished off a god.
「Within that chaos, the negative emotions from millions, trillions of death that Ehito and we caused brought the concept of death to us, and as the result, we were annihilated together with Ehito down to our particles but……」
「Where did the prayer filled with faithful and pure wish, the positive conception go to? This is the answer.」
The people of Tortus had continuously believed in the existence of a virtuous Ehito. That conception also dwelled within the apostles. It also wasn’t difficult to imagine that other conceptions other than fear were also residing within the monsters of the holy precinct.
Then certainly, it wouldn’t be strange even if the positive conception that was offered to the holy precinct’s existence was still remaining. It also wouldn’t flow into the Fairy World if Ua Alto was still in its withered state and the path was blocked.
「……In other words, the existences of you two are like a hodgepodge of such positive conception?」
「Master, wording.」
「Say it in a cooler way! Mister Aby, please show an example.」
「Eh!? ……You two are an aggregation (cluster) of positive subconscious, something like that?」
「「As expected from the one who has peeked into the abyss of chuuni!」」Ch 387
「We who ended up becoming an aggregation of positive subconscious wandered in Tortus for a while after that. And then after Kaori-sama returned to her original body, we dwelled inside the body of Neunte who had returned to being a soulless doll again.」
「The reason we did that is unclear but, most likely that was the result of us seeking master subconsciously, and master yourself had fought that body personally and perceived that physical body as a comrade, so that might be the cause we entered that body.」
「Why did you two go to me?」
「Master, this positive conception also included a lot of feeling of deep gratitude for ending the insane game of the god you know?」
「It’s only natural that we wish to stay beside master. The conception that form our fundamentals is also fully made up of that.」Ch 387
「Setting that aside, if you two are aggregation of conception in the end, why is it Erst and Neunte that became the base?」
「We also don’t have a positive proof of what that is the case but, most likely that’s because the former Erst is “The Apostle of Beginning”.
The name Erst had the meaning of “first”, in other words, I am the number one! There is no little sister who can win against her big sister! she sent a sidelong glance to Netemp Mother as though to say that.
Netemp Mother’s body blow roared and fairy Etemp blocked it with her elbow.
Hajime cocked his gun. The two then continued the story obediently.
「After dwelling in Neunte’s body, there was something like an internal war happening, who is going to serve master! Such power struggle occurred in the subconscious level.」
「Naturally there wasn’t any bond of sisterhood between the apostles when we still served the god, even so Erst’s existence was regarded as special so……」
This was also a subconscious thing, but as the result the conception of apostle gathered and Erst’s consciousness rose to the surface. She won the power struggle.
Neetemp Mother shook her head with a look of extreme sorrow and muttered 「That was truly a black history for us」. Fairy Etemp glared at her 「Aa? What do you mean by that huuuh」 like a yakuza.
「I don’t know whether these sisters get along well or not. ……Well, doesn’t matter. And, what about Neunte?」
「After the apostles’ consciousness was formed from the chaotic whirlpool of conception, I was also able to establish my consciousness as an individual. Most likely it was because my emotional attachment to master was particularly strong. After all I was the individual who got my heart directly shot by master!」Ch 387
The others:
「What about the other apostles?」
「After coming to this world I was able to completely control the aggregation, so I’ll be able to project and make their consciousness possess other objects.」
「Well, they are originally apostles, so I think that all of them will have the same personality at the beginning.」
Netemp Mother added that if each apostle accumulated experience while being in a separated state from the aggregation, their individuality would grow even more separately than a blank slate apostle.
Hajime folded his arms and made a contemplative look to sort the information in his mind. Netemp Mother and fairy Etemp made a thumb up while saying.
「Now now, master. Please don’t think so hard like that. Transcendentally beautiful protector fairies get, hell yeah! You can just think of this like that! I am master’s Etemp! It’s fine like that isn’t it!?」
「Master will be able to tinker with the ideal combat maid robots and push them down to your heart’s content! You can just think of it like that! I am master’s Netemp! There is no problem like that!」
「I’m worried because if I don’t properly think hard about this, it feels like that before I noticed it you guys will already multiply endlessly.」
「「……Ii?」」
「Don’t pretend to suddenly become unable to understand words.」Ch 387
“There is a secret technique that uses the power of faith to elevate one’s existence to a higher level...and that technique has undoubtedly granted me divine might. Therefore—”
Ehitruje’s five monster dragons coiled around him. Inhabiting Yue’s body, he looked every bit like an imposing goddess with a host of dragons at his beck and call.In a solemn voice, he intoned, “I am a god.” Vol 13 p157
Ehitruje loved seeing him in such a pathetic state. His fear and panic gone, he smiled at Hajime and explained, “Your concept magic may have worked on me a few thousand years ago, but my very existence has continued to evolve thanks to all of the faith people have placed in me. The sheer level of divinity I possess is too much for a mere god-slaying concept to destroy me. I have reached far greater heights than just that of a god.” Vol 13 p201
As the result, somehow she got worshipped as god.
It was even reaching until a level of producing a new conception that was based on faith. That faith even magnified Yue’s power completely.
Just like when Hajime became like a demon god, Yue also became like the goddess of the dragons. Ch 425
Conclusion:
Anciens Magic(Law&CM2): is knowledge on how to use energy to manipulate reality on a fundamental level. (Universal laws, concepts, facts, aspects)
Concept Magic(Law&CM2 or CM1):
1)It's a will, desire or somekind of emotion that reached conceptual level i.e. became concepts.1. Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.
2)They need energy to materialise which prove they're not a part of reality.
3)These concepts are superior and beyond all of A.M. which are the concepts of gravity, time, space, soul, matter and informations(1&2) which further support it being outside of reality.
4)These concepts are independent from their creator.
Authority(Law&CM2 or CM1): The goddess and spirits power come from the great trees. Their authority could manipulate conception and was stated to be equal to C.M.
Conception(Law&CM2 or CM1):
1)Conception is just ideas from the collective mind given power by it.
2)It's fundmental (Possibly beyond info type 2)
3)It's similar to C.M. in its nature(will/emotion) and it could provide a resistance to authorities and C.M.
4)It's also independent of the person or thing it govern.
Agree: @PrinceofPein(Except CM1) ,@Community_Gamer(Except CM1) ,@Everything12(Except CM1) ,@Lloydblitzed ,@Reiner04(Except CM1) ,@Elizhaa
Disagree:
Neutral:
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