Archie Sonic Retconned Feats

[Davy0]

So Archie Sonic's "World's Unite" just ended today. And for those who know it, a few very interesting and possibly groundbreaking feats just came up in the series. And I wish to know, after being retconned, even though there weren't any special boosts or power-ups that were given from being in this... I'll call it what Darkness calls it "World's United Only Storyline" because of the fact that it was retconned. Do we remove those feats thanks to being unseen outside of said storyline even though it's a hypothetical scenario of what would have been.

Leep in mind that feats from other series like Super Mario Galaxy have kept their feats after being retconned back after the destruction of galaxies and whatnot, even though technically they should not exist. Thoughts?

 

[Darkness552]

we were having this discussion here and here the first comment thread on each

 

[Darkness552]

also the scan were are arguing over

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where Xander Payne shoots Sigma to make sure the crossover never happened

 

[Davy0]

How about you show the other scans where they were talking about what happened (including Xander himself, Mr. X) on what happened through his tachyon eye ability.

 

[Darkness552]

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and here wily and Mr. X/ Xander Payne talk about him doing what he did to stop Sigma

 

[Davy0]

Yet it was retconned, yet all the major players still have a memory of it... hm... suspicious...

 

[Darkness552]

same way Sonic and Eggman remebers the Pre Genesis wave Reality in the Post Genesis wave reality

 

[Davy0]

Actually no, that was completely destroyed, which Ian states, that their memories of any events or characters from there was gone until further notice, which means they are NEVER coming back, that Knuckles will ALWAYS be the last of his kind, and that there will NEVER AGAIN be any Chaos Force. That's completely different. Not only do these characters talk about it, Sonic shows worry, Eggman and Wily remember who each other is. And there is nothing that points to the characters being incapable of utilizing the feats specified except for Sigma's evolutionary abilities, which I understand because he was a one-arc character towards World's Unite.

 

[Darkness552]

Sigma's feats in Worlds Unite only applies to Worlds Unite

all other characters that weren't exclusive to Worlds Unite their feats from that arc should not count as it was retconned as in it never happened

but im not going to sit here and argue in circles with something that shouldn't need this attention so i guess ill wait for more input

 

[Davy0]

And that's fine, as he's a one-off villain, but Sonic gained nothing from being transformed into Sonic man, his abilities were his own. And he still used what natural abilities he had and gained nothing from the scenario. You can't write off those feats as nothing, man.

 

[Darkness552]

im writing them off because they ( and again) never happened

Ian retconned it

 

[Davy0]

It happened. They remembered it. It was retconned, so what.

 

[Darkness552]

im done trying to explain this to you since you obviously haven't understood what ive been saying for like the past hour but ill stay it one last time

It...Did...Not...Happen...Because...Xander...Went...Back...In...Time...To...Stop...It...From...Ever...Happening...In...The...First...Place...So...All...Events...Since....The...Crossover...Until...The...End...Of...The...Crossover...Never...Happened...Including...Feats...And....Abilities

and hypotheticals are not enough reason to include them

 

[Davy0]

Your point kinda sucks when everyone remembers the situation, don't you think?

 

[Darkness552]

yea im done trying to explain this to you because with that logic then Pre Genesis Wave Feats and Statistics should go to Sonic in Post Genesis

also before you bring up the Multiverse was destroyed thing

the difference between these two cases are that things before the reboot did happen but don't exist anymore and its why we have pages for it

for the retcon on the Worlds Unite arc its saying these things never happened

so in the end they both don't exist anymore

and them remebering those things has nothing to do with it and in case means that your logic also says that Pre Genesis wave stats count for Post Genesis which we both know that is not the case

 

[Davy0]

No. What you're not understanding is that that rewrote the entire laws of reality for the universe and also that Sonic and Eggman literally BROKE the old universe with what they did. This just retcons the situation with World's Unite, it does nothing for character feats when there was no "special property" given to the character that affects their ability unless stated otherwise.

You're mixing two different situations that have nothing to do with one another.

 

[Darkness552]

uhh

im trying to say you applying the logic that they remeber is enough reason to bring back feats that got retconned and never happened can be applied to the reboot as they still have the same principle of not existing

and im trying to say that by going by your logic it would be enough reason to bring back feats and stuff like that from the old reality

but you seriously not understanding me and ive been discussing this with you for 2 hours

 

[Davy0]

It does exist, this is something that can be replicated should anyone wish to go back to the place where it started, and Sonic still has those feats. What you're trying to use, is the wrong principle to dictate why these feats shouldn't exist, and you're wrong on it.

 

[Darkness552]

its does not matter if it could have happened

the bottom line is it did not happen and now we can't apply it as now it is hypotheticals, what if stories, not cano

i have counted how many times ive tried to tell you this and it was at least 20 times and im tired of it since you just don't understand how things never happening works

 

[Davy0]

I did say stop and let other people weigh in. Because what happens here, could weigh in on what I do next, because if what you said is true, there are a few universes we may need to correct on this issue, yeah?

 

[Sheoth]

So lemme get this straight:

Okay so first, Worlds Unite was retconned, Correct?

 

[Darkness552]

yes it got retconned

 

[Davy0]

Yes it did. If you need to see the feats look in Darkness' blog. There are feats like Sonic being capable of moving during time manipulation (time was supposed to be frozen for him, yet he could speak in his base form, and he showed the ability to move while Sonic Man).

 

[Sheoth]

Alright.

So Davy says that several of the characters have memories of before the actual retcon. Right?

 

[Davy0]

Yep. Sonic, Eggman, Albert, Xander (Mr. X is also Xander), and Rock.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Hmm... since the retcon happened in-universe (As in, it was an actual removed thing from the timeline, not the writers saying it never happened and being done with it), I think the feats could still apply, as they're still things that happened, but were changed to they couldn't happen (Like the Season 3 finale of Doctor Who).

 

[Darkness552]

yes only 5 characters have memories of what happened out of all characters that were their

 

[Davy0]

That was one of the things I was going to go after if this didn't pan out. (Crosses his arms)

 

[Davy0]

Yep, Sonic didn't change in any way, shape or form that could lead him not to have such an important feat.

 

[The_Everlasting]

So I think the feats can still be added to the profiles, it wasn't really retconned as much as it was changed, as, how was the event retconned? If it involved a character going back in time to prevent the events from happening (Or a device resetting time), the feats can still qualify.

 

[Sheoth]

Okay, yeah, like everlasting said:

If the authors never said verbatim that everything that previously happened doesn't apply and is removed entirely from continuity, then it would make sense that the feats still carry over, especially since some of the chars have memory of it, would it not?

 

[Davy0]

So I think the feats can still be added to the profiles, it wasn't really retconned as much as it was changed, as, how was the event retconned? If it involved a character going back in time to prevent the events from happening (Or a device resetting time), the feats can still qualify.

It was stopped from actually happening, the feats could still be obtainable if characters went back to what they were doing after the retcon, which is why Eggman flies away from Lost Hex (to not meet Sigma).

 

[Darkness552]

ok then

 

[Davy0]

Thank ya guys, easy peasy. (smacks hands together)

 

[The_Everlasting]

You're welcome Davy0.

 

[Sheoth]

Yeah, no problem

 

[Davy0]

So Dark shall I add those abilities back, or shall you. Because from the looks of it, we've got a bit of work to do looking through what can and can't be used within the retcon.

 

[Darkness552]

i already did it and thanks for your opinion Sheoth and The Everlasting

 

[The_Everlasting]

Your welcome Dark.

 

[Davy0]

Yeah but there are more feats though, like Knuckles friction-based uppercut that gives characters Hypersonic speeds (considering Knuckles doesn't use chi, and chaos force doesn't exist anymore) can we use some of these feats over others is what's most important. Sigma's forms are one-off's though, and should be treated as such in my opinion.