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Archie Sonic chaos abilities and resistances CRT

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Fixing my mistakes I made yesterday, so here is a small CRT on these additions, beginning with Resistances:

Limited Egg Grape resistance:
Enerjak when encased in Egg Grape was seriously drained of his powers from them, to the point of feeling the fatigue, and Ian Flynn back in the day reffered to Mogul holding off Egg Grapes as a struggle, so I count it as only limited resistance, this one is simple.

Limited SGW resistance:
Even if Sonic and MegaMan were not immediately affected by its effects, it would have eventually affected the entire Chaos Force, which Super Forms should be inferior to, since that it is Its power, which destroyed the Chaos Force that Sonic and MegaMan used in order to activate Chaos Control, making them equal in power, and in addition to that, Wily, who was close to the epicenter and pretty much unprotected by anything was not affected by it, only forgetting things when Chaos Control occured, and lastly, Sonic and Eggman would eventually succumb to the effects of the Wave, forgetting the old reality and only being able to recall the World's Collide reality, which is detached from one that contains Sally, etc, lastly SGW is Eggman's creation, along with Dr. Wily, with Eggman creating Egg Grapes that can drain Enerjak.

Super Forms Abilities Additions:
Super forms should have Telekinesis, Sealing, Dimensional Travel, Portal Creation, Teleportation, Gravity Manipulation, Pocket reality creation, Time reversal, Time stop, Electricity manipulation, Energy Projection and Weapon creation, since from shown scans they are used by those with much less chaos energy, or used by Supers themselves, yet don't have it on the profile.

Power Rings don't negate super forms, since when Naugus got banished, he retained his super form and escaped.

Shadow resisting Power Nullification with one emerald should be an outlier, because ain't no way in hell does one emerald resists an ability of the guy who is empowered by millions of them, with Zone Cops also being able to power null a version of Dark Enerjak.

Those are all the major ones, if you have other questions, ask away.

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I agree with everything except a few things. First, the SGW resistance is fine and shouldn't be limited. They only got affected by the Chaos Control, not the wave itself. Sonic's Chaos Control erased the Chaos Force (which is accepted in the page), so there's no reason to say Sonic can't resist it just because the force couldn't, when he was the same one who erased it. Hax scaling is different then power scaling.

Second, Shadow's feat shouldn't be an outlier. Just because he's weaker, it doesn't make it impossible since we literally see that happen. It was a major plot point that allowed him to escape. Again, powerscaling isn't the same as hax scaling. Furthermore, one Post-Harmony Emerald is already made of millions of Chaos Emeralds, and that's the one Shadow used to escape.
 
I agree with everything except a few things. First, the SGW resistance is fine and shouldn't be limited. They only got affected by the Chaos Control, not the wave itself. Sonic's Chaos Control erased the Chaos Force (which is accepted in the page), so there's no reason to say Sonic can't resist it just because the force couldn't, when he was the same one who erased it. Hax scaling is different then power scaling.

Second, Shadow's feat shouldn't be an outlier. Just because he's weaker, it doesn't make it impossible since we literally see that happen. It was a major plot point that allowed him to escape. Again, powerscaling isn't the same as hax scaling. Furthermore, one Post-Harmony Emerald is already made of millions of Chaos Emeralds, and that's the one Shadow used to escape.
Sonic was still affected by Memory Hax of the SGW, so it is safe to say that both SGW and Chaos Control are to blame, and SGW is still an invension of Eggman, who is creator of Egg Grapes that can drain Enerjak.

Feist is still at least 6 Times stronger but, eh...
 
Fixing my mistakes I made yesterday, so here is a small CRT on these additions, beginning with Resistances:

Limited Egg Grape resistance:
Enerjak when encased in Egg Grape was seriously drained of his powers from them, to the point of feeling the fatigue, and Ian Flynn back in the day reffered to Mogul holding off Egg Grapes as a struggle, so I count it as only limited resistance, this one is simple.
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Limited SGW resistance:
Even if Sonic and MegaMan were not immediately affected by its effects, it would have eventually affected the entire Chaos Force, which Super Forms should be inferior to, since that it is Its power, which destroyed the Chaos Force that Sonic and MegaMan used in order to activate Chaos Control, making them equal in power, and in addition to that, Wily, who was close to the epicenter and pretty much unprotected by anything was not affected by it, only forgetting things when Chaos Control occured, and lastly, Sonic and Eggman would eventually succumb to the effects of the Wave, forgetting the old reality and only being able to recall the World's Collide reality, which is detached from one that contains Sally, etc,
Super Forms/Chaos Emeralds are >>>> the Chaos Force, that has been a thing for a good while now



lastly SGW is Eggman's creation, along with Dr. Wily, with Eggman creating Egg Grapes that can drain Enerjak.
This has nothing to fo with anything on this point
 
Sonic was still affected by Memory Hax of the SGW, so it is safe to say that both SGW and Chaos Control are to blame, and SGW is still an invension of Eggman, who is creator of Egg Grapes that can drain Enerjak.

Feist is still at least 6 Times stronger but, eh...
It was the SGW powered up by Chaos Control, which was Sonic at undoing the Wave, so this is a feat for his Chaos Control and not an anti feat for the SGW
 
That scan is not working. Anyways, the scan with Eggman and Wily discussing is base Sonic being affected, not Super Sonic. Sonic was affected by his own Chaos Control, but not the SGW.
I showed the scan to remind that SGW has Memory hax.

Now
 
It's working now. And this was because of Chaos Control. I know it says Genesis Wave in the scan, but we know it was Sonic's malfunctioning Chaos Control that did this (even then Sonic and Eggman do remember events prior the SGW, not the events prior the first Genesis Wave which they were indeed affected.)
Wave's memory remnants on Nicole, statements from Eggman, direct statements from outside the narrative, all point toward it being SGW at least as much as the Chaos Control. Why can't it be more simple
 
Wave's memory remnants on Nicole, statements from Eggman, direct statements from outside the narrative, all point toward it being SGW at least as much as the Chaos Control. Why can't it be more simple
these Scans make clear that the result of the new world was because of Sonic's Super Chaos Control........you are speaking as if it was only the SGW that altered the likes of the Chaos Forces, but it wasn't, it was the amplified Chaos Control from the emeralds that made all of reality be rewritten in the way it was
 
these Scans make clear that the result of the new world was because of Sonic's Super Chaos Control........you are speaking as if it was only the SGW that altered the likes of the Chaos Forces, but it wasn't, it was the amplified Chaos Control from the emeralds that made all of reality be rewritten in the way it was
Chaos Control is mentioned on a single scan
Wave's memory remnants on Nicole, statements from Eggman, direct statements from outside the narrative, all point toward it being SGW at least as much as the Chaos Control. Why can't it be more simple
I said that SGW did At least as much work as Chaos Control, I didn't took it out of equation
 
btw for Concept manipulation, since Super form are fueled with Chaos Energy and can take attacks from each other, and all Chaos energy is Conceptual, shouldnt they get a full resistence from that?
 
Chaos Control is mentioned on a single scan
your......point? it is still the thing that made reality become what

I said that SGW did At least as much work as Chaos Control, I didn't took it out of equation
what makes you say that? anyway, it wasn't the SGW on its on, it was it + a Power beyond that of the Chaos Force, thus the regular SGW without the aid of Super Chaos Control has no evidence of being able to alter the Chaos Force at all
 
your......point? it is still the thing that made reality become what


what makes you say that? anyway, it wasn't the SGW on its on, it was it + a Power beyond that of the Chaos Force, thus the regular SGW without the aid of Super Chaos Control has no evidence of being able
I literally said that I didn't took the Chaos Control out of equation dude.
The Chaos Control was performed by Super Sonic using the same power source as SGW, and yes, Ian Flynn did confirmed that SGW on it's own was affecting all of Sonic's reality
 
Eggman and Sonic remember clearly teaming up with Wily and Mega Man in Worlds Unite, so no, that argument doesn't work.
It does because SGW erases their memory about the old multiverse, it didn't remove their memories of World's collide, but it removed the memories they had During world's collide about old Multiverse, which, similarly to Genesis arc, they would likely continue to regain until completely remembering it, and so it shows that SGW's memory hax did affected Super Sonic to a limited degree
 
This feels like assumptions. It could just be that the way they gained the memories from the world universe was faulty, and that was eventually undone.
 
It would be wise to note that the Egg Grape Enerjak was in was a gigantic enhanced one tailor made to drain him, but still failed,not a normal one by any stretch. Eggman's tech should be far superior to Demitri's & Edmund's Chaos Syphon too. So that would be extremely high resistance,not limited.
 
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The Wily part is out of context,the SGW did actively effect him & Eggman during the battle,but they programmed it to be outside observers that remember everything before & after the wave hits. It was Super Sonic's Chaos Control that reset their memories.
 
The Wily part is out of context,the SGW did actively effect him & Eggman during the battle,but they programmed it to be outside observers that remember everything before & after the wave hits. It was Super Sonic's Chaos Control that reset their memories.
Wily part has context that he lost memory after explosion happened
 
It would be wise to note that the Egg Grape Enerjak was in was a gigantic enhanced one tailored made to drain him, but still failed,not a normal one by any stretch. Eggman's tech should far be superior to Demitri's & Edmund's Chaos Syphon too. So that would be extremely high resistance,not limited.
Guess I don't have much arguments here.. Tho Mogul did still struggled while using his emerald as said by Ian, so it definitely limits theirs resistance at the very least
 
I literally said that I didn't took the Chaos Control out of equation dude.
The Chaos Control was performed by Super Sonic using the same power source as SGW,
Again, your point? It was still Chaos Control doing it, hence it wasn'f the SGW alone, hence the version of it without Chaos Control's help would be assumed to be able to change it

Plus, much like in the games, thr Emeralds are powered up with Emotions, something a machine wouldn't have, therefore Super Sonic's Chaos Energy would be >>> thr Genesis Wave by default

At worst it is a situation where it is 2 things of equal power combining, which obviously wouldn't scale tp each thing alone

It did "affect" it, it didn't destroyed it until the end with the Aid of Chaos Control

Plus, as i said, the Chaos Emeralds are >>> the Chaos Force anyway, so again i ask, what is your point?
 
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