Another request from Lord Kep

[Schnee_One]

Kratos fights yet another Digimon, let's see how this one goes.

Speed is Unequal.....Man I love saying that.

Kratos: 7

Deusmo:

 

[Kepekley23]

Followed.

But Kratos has resistance to Deusmon's most useful ability right off the bat, I will say that much.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

>existence erasure

well shit

 

[Kepekley23]

Of the physical body only.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Clearly Deusmon's Technological Manipulation grants him the victory. Bringing out the best in any vehicle is the most broken ability in Fiction.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

In all seriousness, Kratos basically has to be careful not to get his as any part of him that touches Initial Zero that can be considered data gets completely destroyed. But once he avoids that, he's pretty golden.

 

[Kepekley23]

It does not seem like he can revive if he dies.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Nope, he's not lucky enough to have Hadesmon's regen.

 

[Kepekley23]

How does Initial Zero work, range wise?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtYhtH6EBs&feature=youtu.be&t=97

 

[Kepekley23]

That could be a problem if he uses right it away and Kratos decides to rush right off the bat.

Does this ability also destroy the soul and mind, or just the body?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

All 3. Anything that fits within the data spectrum (except time and space).

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump

 

[Kepekley23]

A question: how well does Initial Zero fare against a shield ability?

 

[Lilixa]

Can Kratos access eyes of atlantis in here ?

 

[Kepekley23]

Maybe. He did have his magic stolen from him in GoW 2, although we don't know if weapons were also stolen.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

A question: how well does Initial Zero fare against a shield ability?

If it's energy, it'll likely be destroyed. Otherwise idk.

 

[Kepekley23]

Initial Zero is his best shot here, and he has to make sure it lands, which will be hard given the starting distance.

Otherwise Kratos wins quite easily with either the Blade of Olympus or the Claws of Hades, and his massive AP advantage.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well, the issue is that Kratos has to not get too close to Deusmon or he gets Initial Zero'd.

Plus he does have Dupes. Considering his size, Initial Zero has a pretty wide range. He also has his other skills such as that Gravity Manipulation and Meteor showers.

 

[Kepekley23]

In theory, Kratos has a pretty wide range too.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Deusmon has interplanetary Gravity Manipulation tho.

 

[Kepekley23]

And Kratos has the AP to one shot, and the range to do so with the Blade of Olympus, which he uses in character in the late stage of the game.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

But does Kratos always launch his attacks from Kilometers away? Last I checked, Kratos likes to get up close in personal with his foes. Initial Zero oneshots as well, and as his signature move, Deusmon won't shy away from using it as it is also a forcefield. Deusmon can create Duplicates and Teleport as well as being able to make Kratos go "Poof".

 

[Kepekley23]

Kratos is able to create forcefields in GoW 3, and their speed is similar enough that Kratos can see the attack before it reaches him. From that point onwards he will be much more careful and...well, Initial Zero is the only thing that Deusmon has that can win him this battle, assuming it also destroys the soul and not just the body.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Are his forcefields made of energy? If so they are destroyed by Initial Zero.




Same for anything made of some type of matter.




Hitting Kratos with Initial Zero won't be that hard to accomplish as you think. A giant Energy wave that is also a forcefield that destroys and form of data that comes into contact with it. Being Deusmon's only way of victory doesn't make it any less of a viable option here.

 

[Kepekley23]

Except Initial Zero got nullified by an attack whose databook entriy states is made of energy so it is clearly not that simple. Him destroying normal energy = \ = him destroying a forcefield.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Except it's nulled by an attack that specifically nulls other attacks from the literal God of Invincibility whose whole deal is nullifying any attack. Being able to destroy energy is useless if said ability is nulled in the first place..

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, considering Deusmon's size, Kratos using his Soul Rip will be a given here, just as he did with Hades.

Also┬▓, "energy" in that scan seems like it is a reference to energy in physics, like joules, etc., since he refers to "matter and energy". Not mystical energy, unless there is proof of that.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Things such as magic/sorcery or mystical energy is simply programming to Digimon.

An advanced Demon Man Digimon that came from the Digital World of another dimension. In its native Digital World (Witchelny) it mastered the sorcery (high-level programming language) of fire and earth, and although it aimed to become a great wizard, it appeared in the Digimon World in order to train. Although it has a personality that likes playing a few practical jokes, because it has another, shyer side, it tries to never show its uncovered face.
	~ Wizardmon Official Databook​

Hence why Magic in the franchise, while mystical is simply treated as Information Manipulation to them.

 

[Kepekley23]

It's clearly not as simple as "everything being made of data, thus everything that is data and etc. gets affected by this move that is said to destroy data". Otherwise, again, Poseidomon's nullifying attack wouldn't work because, even if its purpose is to nullify attacks, it is still made of data and Initial Zero destroys data, amirite?

Which is not how it works.

It needs feats of being able to bypass and destroy a forcefield. Kratos's Golden Fleece is able to resist the Blade of Olympus's energy waves which have disintegrated an entire army before, so his other forcefields, which are stronger, already have the feats to resist IZ.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How does an ability to destroy data activate when said ability is nullified. This is how it is for any data destroying technique. If that ability is nulled, then it becomes nothing more than an energy blast. The nullification here takes clearly priority.

Just like how Arkadimon's God Matrix can be bypassed by Eaters (In which are digital lifeforms) despite it being a passive barrier that reduces any data to 0s and 1s.

Despite this, my vote isn't even for Deusmon.

 

[Lilixa]

and It would imply Golden fleece able to block attack which can affect non-corporeal beings and possibly soul destruction (from eyes of Atlantis)

 

[Kepekley23]

It did activate. The ability had already been used when Poseidomon used his energy hands to nullify it. So it was already actively destroying data.

Hadesmon can bend physical matter and data to his will. So why didn't he hack Initial Zero and change its properties? Unless it happened and I didn't know.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why would Hadesmon feel the need to hack Initial Zero when he had an ally that can literally counter any attack right beside him? Why waste the effort?

 

[Kepekley23]

Because it'd be much easier to render such an ability harmless right away and avoid being possibly caught off guard later as opposed to having to repeatedly nullify it everytime Deusmon used it?

Again, one shouldn't generalize the applications of an ability just because the term can apply to "souls" and "minds" and "everything"(s). RWBY Aura is a manifestation of the soul, but you can't extrapolate from that to say RWBY characters are able to hit the soul just because they use aura to attack and defend against other aura users. That's clearly not what is happening there.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That wasn't needed seeing as it was literally 3 Gods vs 1 and one could nullify the attack and he knew Deusmon wouldn't risk using it again with Poseidomon around. Simple fact is, Poseidomon is treated in-verse as a God of Invicibility. In-verse, there is nothing to risk as he provides complete invincibility. Out-verse, that would sound completely NLF.

We kinda don't though. Otherwise, I'd be saying that this moves instantly destroys Time, Space, etc as well which is obviously not gonna fly. I'll drop the whole energy thing here and leave it with what was implied from the scans. I already know that's a thin line to cross hence why we limit it to Mind and Soul despite the truth of the matter being that they can effect all that exists as Ex posted before while you were gone. I can send you said post on your wall.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Either way, this is irrelevant to my vote.

This fight was over the moment Deusmon lack the regen and resurrection abilities Hadesmon had. Initial Zero is nice and basically kills Kratos if it hits. Hadesmon's saving grace was his hacking and the fact that if his partner died, he can resurrect him while also healing himself over and over.

Deusmon lacks control over the environment and can easily be tagged and taken out by Kratos' various item. He has no way to hack the items or attacks, all he has is Initial Zero and Duplication. There is also the main thing I am surprised Kep didn't mention. Deusmon is extremely Arrogant. He is by no means going to take Kratos seriously. As such, is not going to just go lolInitialZero either as to him, Kratos is just a human with some toys. He believes himself to be Omnipotent, he's not going to go for the kill, he's gonna let his guard down.

Kratos kills Deusmon before the latter even considers attacking seriously.

 

[Kepekley23]

bro you said he would use it right away because it was his signature move don't go blaming me for buying your narrative

About the whole data thing, though, can you send the post to my wall?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bro you said he would use it right away because it was his signature move don't go blaming me for buying your narrative

I never said he would use it first thing. I said he wouldn't shy away from using it. Meaning that it is a move he would likely use in battle, but not once did I say he started with it. It's all apart of being a puppetmaster.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump