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Anos — Information Manipulation Type 2 Removal

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Inthenormation Manipulation (Types 1 & 2. <Teles> engraves knowledge directly into the target's head[94]. Can interact with and destroy Spirits[95])
Abstract Existence (Type 1; Information Type 2, Stories, Emotions, Beliefs; The existence is of Spirits is said to come from the hearts of others. Legends, folklore, rumors, fears, beliefs, aspirations. Spirits are the realization and embodiment of these[65])
I know I might not be the best person to do this, but I just don't see how this is IM2 on Anos's base key abilities. Justification is that he's capable of interacting and then destroy them where he vanquished the Great Water Spirit and then slashed away the pouring rain without moving at all, imo, this should be changed to NPI instead of IM2 altogether. Straightforward enough, really (Except if someone could give more context, but yeah I don't really see it for now and that's all probably ig).

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Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.
By the wiki’s definition it would count.

Which is weird since we don’t give Conceptual Manipulation for interacting with Conceptual Abstract Existences.

Although it could be because destroy is used instead of interact.
 
By the wiki’s definition it would count.

Which is weird since we don’t give Conceptual Manipulation for interacting with Conceptual Abstract Existences.

Although it could be because destroy is used instead of interact.
That is, if the justification were more like destroying Spirits altogether but the fact that it's "interacted with" for like the entire context of that scan, I presume?

The reason why no Conceptual Manipulation were being given for interacting with Conceptual AE is simply because it would fall into the NPI category, nothing else imo.
 
That is, if the justification were more like destroying Spirits altogether but the fact that it's "interacted with" for like the entire context of that scan, I presume?
I'm not sure what you mean. The scan says the Spirit was vanquished which would mean destroyed.
The reason why no Conceptual Manipulation were being given for interacting with Conceptual AE is simply because it would fall into the NPI category, nothing else imo.
I believe it's about the destruction of the aspect. Looking at the CM Page:
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts.
You can get CM by destroying Abstract Concepts. If someone is a conceptual existence, and instead of just hitting them as if they were physical, you manage to destroy them, you effectively destroyed a concept.

At least from the wording alone, it looks like there's a distinction between interaction and destruction.
 
I'm not sure what you mean. The scan says the Spirit was vanquished which would mean destroyed.
No, like, the fact the justification includes "can interact with" before the destroy part implies the same vanquished thing is related to NPI. That's what I wanted to reiterate honestly. This entire thing is just changing to NPI against Information Type 2 entities, either way it's still a destruction feat against them. Only problem is whether this is achieved through physical (NPI) or metaphysical (Information Manipulation Type 2).
You can get CM by destroying Abstract Concepts. If someone is a conceptual existence, and instead of just hitting them as if they were physical, you manage to destroy them, you effectively destroyed a concept.
That's what differentiates conceptual destruction with NPI, I believe this was already explained on NPI itself as an ability.
 
No, like, the fact the justification includes "can interact with" before the destroy part implies the same vanquished thing is related to NPI. That's what I wanted to reiterate honestly. This entire thing is just changing to NPI against Information Type 2 entities, either way it's still a destruction feat against them. Only problem is whether this is achieved through physical (NPI) or metaphysical (Information Manipulation Type 2).

That's what differentiates conceptual destruction with NPI, I believe this was already explained on NPI itself as an ability.
Ah I see what you mean now. Yeah that's fine.
 
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It's not even Anos who did it. I suppose this would give Shins sword info2 npi.
 
Arnos already has Info2 in his NPI, which is why spirits are mentioned in their NPI.

IM2 comes from Vedbuz, which is capable of destroying the sources of the spirits. This was accepted in this CRT.
 
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just interacting with information will not result in Information Manipulation.
but from what I understand, this feat is not just interacting, but destroying. so here it is not just interacting but also destroying. I think this is fine as IM2, because destroying can definitely interact but interacting does not necessarily mean destroying
 
just interacting with information will not result in Information Manipulation.
but from what I understand, this feat is not just interacting, but destroying. so here it is not just interacting but also destroying. I think this is fine as IM2, because destroying can definitely interact but interacting does not necessarily mean destroying
but the problem here is

what he is interacting with doesn't even qualify as information
 
but the problem here is

what he is interacting with doesn't even qualify as information
there is no specific explanation on how to do this
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself. A vast variety of effects can be achieved using this ability, from gaining knowledge or altering what people know to warping reality itself. Note that Information Analysis and Data Manipulation are considered separate abilities.
so what i mean is, if someone can punch information and change or destroy it, then he will get NPI Information along with Information Manipulation because he interacted and destroyed/changed the information. so i think, interacting does not necessarily mean changing/destroying but destroying/changing can definitely mean interacting (in physical terms)
 
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Arnos already has Info2 in his NPI, which is why spirits are mentioned in their NPI.

IM2 comes from Vedbuz, which is capable of destroying the sources of the spirits. This was accepted in this CRT.
Have any idea what would the new justification be, then? I forgot that CRT existed btw for some reason that I don't know, but I mean I already clarified it on the CRT itself maybe if someone could give an additional context to that. So yeah.
 
Have any idea what would the new justification be, then? I forgot that CRT existed btw for some reason that I don't know, but I mean I already clarified it on the CRT itself maybe if someone could give an additional context to that. So yeah.
Nothing to change. I don't see anything wrong because what's listed in the profile is literally talking about Spirits.
 
Nothing to change. I don't see anything wrong because what's listed in the profile is literally talking about Spirits.
How it's justified is the part where it's wrong, on the CRT that justifies it includes "manipulating" them but what's on the profile there is just interacting and destroying them. People could easily think it's just NPI instead of IM2 altogether even if they're the same as in they eventually destroy Spirits, I still think it's lacking and an additional context/justification on the profile there would be better to differentiate this. Again, there's a difference between NPI which is just physical and IM2 as a whole which is metaphysical, it should be explained that interaction there correlates to IM2 instead of like some sort of NPI. What BreezeHM were explaining using the concept stuff, practically.

Like, whether it is NPI to IM2 or just IM2, they're not so different other than the mechanism used against them and it's not like if I am going to remove IM2 as a whole as I would have to downgrade Spirits as IM2 but that's not what I'm going to do given I'm not that knowledgeable with this verse. Hence, why I'm really not the best person to do this but I mean what's wrong with an additional justification/context to justify IM2? If in the end, nobody is going to do that and this CRT is practically useless even when IM2 is considered a strict ability to get. Idk.
The scope of IM2 there is just interacting and destroying the Spirits in the end because I don't get the manipulation part (Anyone could explain this further though if they're willing) but other than that, it doesn't differ so much from NPI but again it's still important to differentiate them even when the conclusion is literally the same.

Imo, it shouldn't be like that justification can be used even if it confuses people and then when someone asks about it, you just link this CRT. I honestly don't know if you need a staff approval or not (But I think you don't) given IM2 is apparently already accepted and it's just adding the justifications more, only reason I made this CRT was that I genuinely think this would just be NPI back then.
 
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How it's justified is the part where it's wrong, on the CRT that justifies it includes "manipulating" them but what's on the profile there is just interacting and destroying them. People could easily think it's just NPI instead of IM2 altogether even if they're the same as in they eventually destroy Spirits, I still think it's lacking and an additional context/justification on the profile there would be better to differentiate this. Again, there's a difference between NPI which is just physical and IM2 as a whole which is metaphysical, it should be explained that interaction there correlates to IM2 instead of like some sort of NPI. What BreezeHM were explaining using the concept stuff, practically.
No one really thinks destroying= just interaction I don't know where you got this from. It clearly mentioned destroy the spirits.
Like, whether it is NPI to IM2 or just IM2, they're not so different other than the mechanism used against them and it's not like if I am going to remove IM2 as a whole as I would have to downgrade Spirits as IM2 but that's not what I'm going to do given I'm not that knowledgeable with this verse. Hence, why I'm really not the best person to do this but I mean what's wrong with an additional justification/context to justify IM2? If in the end, nobody is going to do that and this CRT is practically useless even when IM2 is considered a strict ability to get. Idk.
The scope of IM2 there is just interacting and destroying the Spirits in the end because I don't get the manipulation part (Anyone could explain this further though if they're willing) but other than that, it doesn't differ so much from NPI but again it's still important to differentiate them even when the conclusion is literally the same.

Imo, it shouldn't be like that justification can be used even if it confuses people and then when someone asks about it, you just link this CRT. I honestly don't know if you need a staff approval or not (But I think you don't) given IM2 is apparently already accepted and it's just adding the justifications more, only reason I made this CRT was that I genuinely think this would just be NPI back then.
Information Manipulation is the power to control, alter, and even destroy information itself.
It's a sufficient word as for the standard. I don't really see anything wrong with listing it as a destroy. NPI is just interaction.
 
No one really thinks destroying= just interaction I don't know where you got this from. It clearly mentioned destroy the spirits.
It's a sufficient word as for the standard. I don't really see anything wrong with listing it as a destroy. NPI is just interaction.
NPI is just interaction, yeah, but it also allows one to destroy them — What comes after that, is simply the aftereffect of the NPI due to you being capable to interact them in the first place. I think you just got it wrong personally, but you can scroll up the thread a bit more since I believe this difference is already explained.

"Destroying" on the IM2 section refers to you being able to destroy the Spirit without you having to interact with them at all since you just manipulate their information and then destroy them. However though, on what I've explained about the scans — Vanquished part is vague, don't you think? That's why I was proposing a new justification, simply to clarify whether he vanquished it because he's capable of interacting the Spirit as in physically or he vanquished it because he destroyed their information without interacting at all, but justification says otherwise and this is the part where even someone like Furina003 is just as confused as I am.
 
Simply add the IM2 to Vedbuz along with CM1.

Your NPI already covers all other spells and physical capacity to interact/destroy sources of spirits.
 
Agree
Anos only destroyed the source of spirit (Avos), but Anos never destroyed the rumor of a spirit. This was drawn out when I saw that the spirit rumor was not the source of the spirit or the spirit itself.
According to this passage, even if the source spirit or the spirit itself is destroyed, the rumor of the spirit will still exist (or not be destroyed like the source of spirit and the spirit itself) to revive the above two.
According to the lilan, a spirit could resurrect, even if their source was destroyed, as long as their lore still existed.
 
Sigh...I wasn't gonna participate but I simply cannot resist the urge to educate.

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With that out of the way, I am Professor Tatsumi, overseer of most things maou gakuin related and I welcome you to todays class "Rumors Lore and Spirits 1 (RLS 101).
Spirits are strange mythological creatures akin to magic. Our research points to their existence coming to being from the hearts of others. By "heart" we refer to emotions, fears, beliefs aspirations, they are the manifestation of legends, folklore and rumors. An extreme fear of fire can manifest fire spirits and an increase in religious faith can birth water spirits.
Spirits are strange creatures. Their existence is said to come to be from the hearts of others. Legends, folklore, rumors, desires, fears, aspirations... They are the realization and embodiment of all of the above. One’s extreme fear of fire has the potential to birth fire spirits, and a rise in religious faith can birth water spirits.

The rampaging eight-headed water dragon had been born from the legend that water had been brought into the world by a god’s teardrop that had fallen on Ahalthern. This dragon was the true form of the Great Water Spirit Lignon.
A spirit's power comes from their rumors and lore, it is what forms and shapes their bodies and source. They deplete their sources when they use their magic but their source immediately recovers according to how widespread their rumors and lore are.
The power of a spirit originates from a current rumor or feeling. In other words, that rumor or feeling shapes their source. That is why supplying you with magic directly won’t alter your condition.
[…]​
Your source is shaped by a rumor or legend. That means that rumor or legend has taken on a kind of power within you that gets converted into your source. If I link your source to Sheila’s, you may be able to send your power to her before it undergoes that conversion, helping her recover to some extent.
[…]​
The depleted source of a spirit recovers through the strength of their rumor or legend. In other words, Misa, you will be casting spirit magic to purposefully deplete your source, triggering its recovery. It is that recovery power that will then be sent to Sheila.
[…]​
We made our way to the other side of the fog to see a completely transformed Aharthern. Every plant of the once lush forest had wilted, and the screams of fleeing spirits rang through the air. Huge beasts with silver fur and sharp fangs were dashing about the forest. And there were far more than just one or two—they were everywhere, gnawing away at the trees. The green rapidly wilted wherever they passed. They were devouring the spirit itself.

“Watch out!”

Our lore will be eaten!”

“We’ll die!”

“Even spirits can die!”
Spirits existences are defined by the rumors that they arose from and as a result, they cannot act against their rumors similar to the divine race. Should a spirit by some means go against their own rumor, they cease to exist.

Separate from a spirit's powers, the lore of a spirit itself influences not only the spirit but other things that are notable in the lore that formed them like how the Great Mother Spirit is neither the first spirit to exist nor did she give birth to other spirits but she's the mother of every spirit in existence. Another case being Avos Dilhevia whose rumors and lore bound most demons to her service as they were mentioned multiple times to be the subordinates of the Demon King in the rumors
They say you’re wilting,” I said.

“Yes, that’s right. I am fading. I will never again resurrect.”

“Does that mean your lore has ceased to exist?”

A gentle chuckle echoed through the forest. “It seems there is something I can teach you besides the ways of war,” Migelonov said happily. “If a rumor or legend comes to an end, the spirit born from that lore will pass away. But one more situation can result in a spirit’s death: when that spirit turns against their own lore.”

Spirits lived according to the rumors and legends from which they were born. Just like how Gennul was the Wolf of Hiding and Ennunien was the Great Tree of Learning, all spirits lived their lives accordingly.

“As the Great War Tree, I am the spirit who imparts knowledge for humans to survive the Great War. In other words, knowledge to defeat demons. But instead, I gave a demon, the Demon King of Tyranny, my assistance. I used my wisdom to come up with a way for demons and humans to coexist in peace.”

Migelonov, a spirit born to defeat demonkind, had gone against her lore by assisting them.

[…]​

“I’m afraid I cannot allow you to bring harm to the child of the Mother of Spirits,” he replied in his hoarse voice. “You shall all remain here in Aharthern.”

I attempted to cast Gatom but found myself unable to connect to any other space.

“Unfortunately, there is no way out of the remedial cocoon. It is my last resort for failing students who refuse to study. You cannot leave without completing supplementary lessons.”

All spirits were allies of the Great Spirit Reno. It was only natural for them to take the side of her child, Avos Dilhevia, as well.

“I understand how you feel, but that doesn’t mean I shall comply.”

I drew a magic circle in front of me and poured my magic into it. A black sun soared out of the circle and struck the wall of the cocoon.

“It’s no use. Violence is not permitted within this cocoon of learning.”

Sure enough, the wall was slightly charred but had taken no significant damage.

“Oh? But this isn’t the extent of my brutality.”

I drew another magic circle, this time forming one hundred shots of Jio Graze. The jet-black suns struck the exact same spot on the wall with a single deafening boom, fiercely shaking the cocoon.

“I said it’s no use!” Ennunien called. “Using force is pointless!”

Black flames rose with a mighty roar, consuming the entire cocoon.

“What?!”

The bursts of Jio Grazes had broken through the wall, leaving behind a huge hole.

“You power may be great when it comes to education—so great as to trap even those with more magic than you,” I said. New branches reached out to cover the hole, but the black flames spread to consume those as well. The exit was growing wider before our eyes. “But understand this, Ennunien: forcing a passing student to take supplementary lessons isn’t education—it’s corporal punishment. And in a match of violence, I won’t lose.”

“Urgh...”

With that, I’d turned his own legend against him. Even for the sake of the Great Spirit Reno, spirits couldn’t act against their own lore. As Ennunien faltered, I stepped past the now unmoving branches.
Just as Lay’s mother had a demon form and sword form, all spirits had both a transient form and a true form. When their true forms were active, they were able to gain a large amount of power, but it wasn’t uncommon for them to have different hearts than those of their transient forms.

Now that Misa was in her true form, her original personality had withdrawn, leaving Avos Dilhevia’s personality on the surface—the Avos Dilhevia that had been spoken of in Dilhade and Azesion for generations.

“Anything you try is futile. This magicast has been aired across Dilhade. The demons have no choice but to accept me as the Demon King of Tyranny, for I am the spirit born from the legend of the Demon King of Tyranny.”

The Seven Demon Elders aimed magic circles at me.

“That is correct,” Melheis said. “She is the authentic Demon King of Tyranny, Avos Dilhevia—the ruler of demonkind.”

The great spirit that embodied the Demon King of Tyranny’s legend had to possess the power of the Demon King of Tyranny. Just like how Aharthern was a mysterious forest or how Great Spirit Reno was the mother of all spirits, no one could deny that Avos was the Demon King of Tyranny. If Nosgalia had been involved in her birth, then the powers of the gods had also had a role in that.

[…]​

“Hmm. So you aren’t under Avos Dilhevia’s control.”

“No, my liege, but other than these two troops, my entire army believes that he is the true Demon King of Tyranny. It seems that demons with less acquaintance and loyalty towards you are more susceptible to his influence.”

There were many well-known legends of the Demon King of Tyranny’s subordinates two thousand years ago. The Seven Demon Elders were particularly famous, which made them particularly susceptible to Avos Dilhevia’s control. Their anti-magic didn’t stand a chance against a legend that so strongly bound them to the Demon King’s service.

Some Spirits we currently know of:
The Great mother spirit, Reno: Born from the rumors of the mother of all spirits, She is the mother of all spirits, all spirits serve her due to being her children. She can summon and dominate all spirits as well as use all their powers.

Great Spirit Misa (formerly Avos Dilhevia): As the biological child of Reno, she can dominate all spirits, use their powers as magic. Possesses power mostly Equal to Anos Voldigoad due to being the embodiment of the Demon King of Tyranny, possesses his intellect, has mastered almost every spell in existence, can do everything Anos Voldigoad is capable of as stated within her rumors. Also has dominion over the subordinates of the demon king due to them being frequently mentioned in the lore

Long Snake, Epiteo: Born of the rumors of the longest snake in the world. When it first came to existence, it's length was equal to the earth's circumference. As the rumors became more exaggerated, it continued to grow and currently it can wrap around the world 333x.

Wolf of Hiding, Gennul: Born of the rumors of a wolf that doesn't exist when it is being watched, he literally doesn't exist when one is looking with their eyes


It's 2025 and someone still cannot tell that the manifestation of an abstraction is not necessarily the whole of that abstraction unless stated smh.


Have a nice day folks
 
very long, the whole "wall of text" can only draw out one necessary thing, which is that "the body and source of a spirit are both formed and shaped by rumor". This only helps rumor to be infor2, but the body and source of the spirit are not, because if Infor2 shapes an object, that object is not infor2 (like the information of a stone shapes the stone, but the stone is not information).
Sigh...I wasn't gonna participate but I simply cannot resist the urge to educate.

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With that out of the way, I am Professor Tatsumi, overseer of most things maou gakuin related and I welcome you to todays class "Rumors Lore and Spirits 1 (RLS 101).
Spirits are strange mythological creatures akin to magic. Our research points to their existence coming to being from the hearts of others. By "heart" we refer to emotions, fears, beliefs aspirations, they are the manifestation of legends, folklore and rumors. An extreme fear of fire can manifest fire spirits and an increase in religious faith can birth water spirits.

A spirit's power comes from their rumors and lore, it is what forms and shapes their bodies and source. They deplete their sources when they use their magic but their source immediately recovers according to how widespread their rumors and lore are.

Spirits existences are defined by the rumors that they arose from and as a result, they cannot act against their rumors similar to the divine race. Should a spirit by some means go against their own rumor, they cease to exist.

Separate from a spirit's powers, the lore of a spirit itself influences not only the spirit but other things that are notable in the lore that formed them like how the Great Mother Spirit is neither the first spirit to exist nor did she give birth to other spirits but she's the mother of every spirit in existence. Another case being Avos Dilhevia whose rumors and lore bound most demons to her service as they were mentioned multiple times to be the subordinates of the Demon King in the rumors



Some Spirits we currently know of:
The Great mother spirit, Reno: Born from the rumors of the mother of all spirits, She is the mother of all spirits, all spirits serve her due to being her children. She can summon and dominate all spirits as well as use all their powers.

Great Spirit Misa (formerly Avos Dilhevia): As the biological child of Reno, she can dominate all spirits, use their powers as magic. Possesses power mostly Equal to Anos Voldigoad due to being the embodiment of the Demon King of Tyranny, possesses his intellect, has mastered almost every spell in existence, can do everything Anos Voldigoad is capable of as stated within her rumors. Also has dominion over the subordinates of the demon king due to them being frequently mentioned in the lore

Long Snake, Epiteo: Born of the rumors of the longest snake in the world. When it first came to existence, it's length was equal to the earth's circumference. As the rumors became more exaggerated, it continued to grow and currently it can wrap around the world 333x.

Wolf of Hiding, Gennul: Born of the rumors of a wolf that doesn't exist when it is being watched, he literally doesn't exist when one is looking with their eyes


It's 2025 and someone still cannot tell that the manifestation of an abstraction is not necessarily the whole of that abstraction unless stated smh.


Have a nice day folks
 
Agree
Anos only destroyed the source of spirit (Avos), but Anos never destroyed the rumor of a spirit. This was drawn out when I saw that the spirit rumor was not the source of the spirit or the spirit itself.
According to this passage, even if the source spirit or the spirit itself is destroyed, the rumor of the spirit will still exist (or not be destroyed like the source of spirit and the spirit itself) to revive the above two.
very long, the whole "wall of text" can only draw out one necessary thing, which is that "the body and source of a spirit are both formed and shaped by rumor". This only helps rumor to be infor2, but the body and source of the spirit are not, because if Infor2 shapes an object, that object is not infor2 (like the information of a stone shapes the stone, but the stone is not information).

12. Argument from belief

This is when someone states that they personally believe something to be true, without providing any actual evidence.
Please bring more evidence instead of just saying "My argument is correct".
 
Please bring more evidence instead of just saying "My argument is correct".
ok. I understanded.
Below is my argument that "spirits and spirit source are not rumors", so if Anos wants npi infor2 or IM2, he must prove that Anos once destroyed a rumor (this destruction is not through Anos destroying spirits or spirit source).

1. According to this passage, even if the source spirit or the spirit itself is destroyed, the rumor of the spirit will still exist (or not be destroyed like the source of spirit and the spirit itself) to revive the above two.
According to the lilan, a spirit could resurrect, even if their source was destroyed, as long as their lore still existed.

2. We can see that spirits are just "embodiment" of rumors and spirits can be revived by rumors. That is the condition for the spirit to have AE2 - infor2 and the rumor is not spirit.
Spirits are strange creatures. Their existence is said to come to be from the hearts of others. Legends, folklore, rumors, desires, fears, aspirations... They are the realization and embodiment of all of the above. One’s extreme fear of fire has the potential to birth fire spirits, and a rise in religious faith can birth water spirits.
That was also the reason she had been able to transform into her true form, a form similar to the adamantine sword. A spirit’s true form was the embodiment of their rumor or legend, and at the core of that was the heart. Clear in the hearts of the audience was an image of what a sword forged by a true artisan should look like. They had seen my adamantine sword in person, after all. That was why Sheila’s true form had mimicked it. The combination of the rumors had given her that shape
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.

3. Source spirit is formed by rumor. This with (1) proves that rumor is not source spirit
There was only one reason Shin and Reno’s child would possess the magic of the Demon King of Tyranny: the child’s source was formed by the rumor and legend of Avos Dilhevia.
Here is an example for the above sentence:
You were born by your mother
Here it is certain that you are not your mother, so it is the same above when the rumor is not the source spirit itself.
 
ok. I understanded.
Below is my argument that "spirits and spirit source are not rumors", so if Anos wants npi infor2 or IM2, he must prove that Anos once destroyed a rumor (this destruction is not through Anos destroying spirits or spirit source).

1. According to this passage, even if the source spirit or the spirit itself is destroyed, the rumor of the spirit will still exist (or not be destroyed like the source of spirit and the spirit itself) to revive the above two.


2. We can see that spirits are just "embodiment" of rumors and spirits can be revived by rumors. That is the condition for the spirit to have AE2 - infor2 and the rumor is not spirit.




3.
Source spirit is formed by rumor. This with (1) proves that rumor is not source spirit

Here is an example for the above sentence:

Here it is certain that you are not your mother, so it is the same above when the rumor is not the source spirit itself.
Bro. Why are you using ChatGPT?
 
WTF man, I use Google Translate not GPT Chat
So, you just admitted to using mtl? And the ChatGPT accusation was not for the translations but rather for some parts of your structured arguments, like this one:
3. Source spirit is formed by rumor. This with (1) proves that rumor is not source spirit

Here is an example for the above sentence:

Here it is certain that you are not your mother, so it is the same above when the rumor is not the source spirit itself.
 
So, you just admitted to using mtl? And the ChatGPT accusation was not for the translations but rather for some parts of your structured arguments, like this one:
I am Indonesian so I am not good at English, so I have to use Google Translate here. But one thing I can always confirm is that I do not use ChatGPT in my argument.
 
I am Indonesian so I am not good at English, so I have to use Google Translate here. But one thing I can always confirm is that I do not use ChatGPT in my argument.
Ok. Everything should be fine then from this convo, but just make sure not to mtl translations.
 
I dont think destroying something via your NPI grants manipulation. Unless you are trying to say touching fire and then put it out grants fire manip
 
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