Anime Black Rock Shooter profiles

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Firstly, I need to talk about the anime Otherselves' abilities.

Back then I mistook BGS's ability for Reality Warping, but now I realize it is actually Pocket Reality Manipulation. This ability is used by Strength (with the Cube thingy) and later Chariot and DM in the finale. So only BRS doesn't show it (lol)

So now I believe these are the Otherselves' abilities:

• BRS: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery (swordsmanship and marksmanship), Energy Blasts, travel between pocket dimensions, Regenerationn (Mid-Low, Low-Godly over time), Summoning of her weapon, Immortality (type 8)

• DM: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery, Chain Manipulation, Summoning of her undead army, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Regenerationn (Mid-Low, Low-Godly over time), Immortality (type 8)

• Chariot: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery, Summoning and Manipulation of spiders, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Regenerationn (Mid-Low, Low-Godly over time), Immortality (type 8)

• BGS: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery, Teleportation, Time Manipulation (time stop), Summoning of her minions, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Clairvoyance (by creating giant version of her eye), possible Life Creation, travel between pocket dimensions, Spatial Manipulation (can create portals connecting different pocket dimensions with her King Saw), Regenerationn (Mid-Low, Low-Godly over time), Immortality (type 8)

• STR: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Weapon Mastery, Fire Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Memory Manipulation (can insert false memories into others), travel between pocket dimensions, Spatial Manipulation (can create portals connecting different pocket dimensions with her Ogre Arm), Regenerationn (Mid-Low, Low-Godly over time), Immortality (type 8)

• iBRS: Basically same as BRS, with additional ability of Chain Manipulation

Secondly, unless disproved, the Otherselves are only City level with Pocket Reality Manipulation (PRM). However, with the exception of BGS and STR, they don't use this ability until the very finale. In combat, without PRM, the Otherselves are at most Small Building level in both AP and DR, with BRS destroying DM's Two-Skulled Giant and STR's bullet rain on BRS. BRS's final rainbow attack with help from other Otherselves on iBRS is a hard case, because it doesn't show any consequent destruction beside the shatter of dimensional walls between different parts of the Otherworld. However, as this attack does not come from BRS's own power, I don't think we should count this attack.

So long story short, my proposed changes are fixing the abilities of the Otherselves, and change their stats to

AP: Likely Small Building level. At least City level via Pocket Reality Manipulation

Durability: Likely Small Building level

Your opinions?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh, Black Rock Shooter?

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

yep. That weird anime. No idea why I'm so attached to it now

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Why there has to be a goddman star symbol, i will never know.

Well i think that we do rate reality warping as AP, probably? I mean Griffith from Berserk sort of has that, last time i checked. If their physical feats are really 9-A level, then i don't mind the downgrade but i won't mind waiting for anybody else's opinion on this too...

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The reason for the scaling to physical AP is that IBRS has been physically powering through BGS' Pocket Dimension Manipulation like hot butter. There is also the fact IBRS survived for like a sec being directly in the beam of doom at the end. Morever technically most of the Otherselves survived having their Otherworld falling on them, and there is the statement of IBRS being able to destroy the Otherworld.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Well first off iBRS overpowering BGS's PRM is nowhere near City level if she just broke off a few stone pillars launched at her. If I am Solar System level and launch planets of that solar system at you, that is Multi-Planet level, not SS level. Maintaining a city through will power and engaging in combat with your own abilities are two completely unrelated things.

Secondly she was still destroyed by the rainbow beam.

Thirdly no Otherselves survived their world falling on them. Chariot's and DM's worlds fall apart when they die, unless you mean some other scenes I'm not aware of.

Lastly, Saya's statement can be a hyperbole, and moreover she never mentions how long it would take for iBRS to destroy it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If you are Solar System the planet thrown would have SS strength. Same for here kinda. If she truly wanted to stop her reality warping wouldn't be simply Pillar level. Also IIRC BGS has a Large Town level feat.

Well she still somewhat survived it for a sec. Which wouldn't exactly be a thing for a 9-A character.

Well IIRC their corpose still survived to be thrown by Strength. BRS went through DM's world fall too. And at the end the world collapse around them.

It's apparently fast enough to be a worry, like NOW.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Large Town level BGS

lol what? You referring to the very opening scene of ep 1 when she was fighting BRS and summoned a giant King Saw?


A calc would be nice, but I doubt anyone would do a calc for BRS series.


Also, since BRS dodged it, it's not gonna scale to anyone's durability.

And I don't think iBRS's durability works like that. It's like your body briefly surviving a TNT or nuclear explosion before getting destroyed.

About BRS going through the destruction of Chariot's and DM's worlds, that is an interesting point. Is it possible that an Otherself cannot be affected by the destruction of another Otherself's world? That is a possibility.

Sorry, but your last point is kinda unfounded.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It was already calced at Large Town level. Also even if she dodged it, IBRS still wrekted BGS as previously said. It should most likely calc to her normal AP, much like how we use flash attacks calc for normal AP.

Your body doesn't just outright stands in the blast for a second before being destroyed doe.

You saying they are outright immune to it? Seems unlikely to me. I mean the only reasons the otherselves of the other world dies is due to, well, them dying in the first place.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

It was already calced at Large Town level.

A link for that would be nice.

About the body briefly surviving explosion, since I suck at science I won't argue with that. Then again the rainbow attack shattered the walls between pocket realities, so it is really hard to determine what level of AP it is. There is absolutely no way to calc that blast, trust me.

About the last point, I mean there is a possibility that the reason BRS looks absolutely fine with DM's world falling apart is that she is not a part of the otherworld DM has complete control over. Kinda hard to word it, but basically everything that is part of DM's world is destroyed because from the start, they were parts of that world. BRS is not originally a part of that world, so she won't be affected by any event happening inside DM's world unless DM directly engages with her in combat.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

I'm back after researching for calcs

I believe this is the calc you are talking about, with Small Town level Giant King Saw. However, as I said before, since BRS dodged this attack it's not gonna scale to anyone's durability. On the other hand, this calc establishes that BGS's Giant King Saw has a velocity of 341.298 m/s. Since BRS dodged it, I believe this means a combat speed upgrade for the Otherselves to Transonic.

If I stay to my original proposal of change, this would mean that all Otherselves would have

AP: Likely Small Building level in combat (scaling from BRS destroying DM's Two-Skulled Giant and Strength's rain of bullets). At least City level via Pocket Reality Manipulation.

BGS is a special case since she has more abilities compared to other otherselves. I suggest we add this to her AP: Small Town level with Giant King Saw. At least City level via Time Stop (froze time within Chariot's world to stop the vortex that was sucking in her world)

Durability: Likely Small Building level.

Speed: Transonic reaction and combat speed.

Again, I'm very skeptical about iBRS having City level durability just because she briefly survived a beam that destroyed her anyway. And please consider the possibility that an alien Otherself cannot be affected by the destruction of another Otherself's world because she is not an original part of that world.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

So you didn't listen to what I said? Tons of time we use extremely flash attacks that didn't hit anyone to add to the character's main AP. Unless it was shown to be specifically a technique much stronger than her normal attacks, there is no reasons to say it doesn't scale to her normally.

Especially since back when she did the feat, BRS was much less of a threat han IBRS. This goes the same as with City level. BGS has shown the ability, alongside the others Otherselves, to be able to manipulate her whole Pocket Dimension. But unlike the others she has used it in combat, yet she was still defeated by IBRS, who only used physical attacks.

The logic being: BGS in a life-or-death situation for the whole Otherworld fightning using her Pocket Dimension Manipulation wouldn't hold back and not use her city level or town level force to countain IBRS.

Again the beam was tons of time stronger than city level, since it was all the otherworlds together in a single beam.

That logic doesn't make much sense. All of them were shown being hurt by stuff inside the realms (Like rocks flying or otherwise), why would that stop once it is destroyed? It seems baseless to me.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

Fair enough, I'm convinced with City level. But since you say nothing else about fixing the abilities and the speed upgrade to Transonic, should I take that as you agree to those changes?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that Byakushiki Sakura seems to make sense, but I know nothing about this fiction, so I am not the right person to ask.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

(Sorry for long answer)

I suppose I'm fine with the rest. It's good seeing something outside a pityfull Subsonic for speed.

 

[Graf_Thorsdottir]

alright. I will apply the changes now.