An Assassin vs A Skeleton

[Arcker123]

Sans vs Corvo

Speed unequal

Sans has Knowledge

Both start 10 meters away

Fight takes place at the cell games arena

Skeleton:

Assassin:

 

[Naito-desu]

How would Sans' Gravity Manip work in stopped time? Since he's way faster than Corvo, he should be able to consistently avoid his attacks and keep him in place, as well as having his own Teleportation against Corvo's Teleportation.

 

[Arcker123]

Corvo has fought against telekinesis that function similarly, but yeah that speed advantage is a problem for him

 

[Arcker123]

Corvo has no optional equipment (i forgot to add to op)

 

[Naito-desu]

This is an endurance fight for Corvo, and with Sans being able to consistently dodge his hits, and without prior knowledge of what Sans can do with his Soul Manip and such, Corvo won't be able to identify what to dodge or what to let pass through, and with some of his attacks negating Dura, Corvo clearly has his work cut out for him.

 

[Arcker123]

How would sans deal with windblast, its an aoe shockwave that can one shot

 

[Naito-desu]

He can teleport out of it, he's no stranger to avoiding one-shots considering that his entire boss fight with Frisk was literally him avoiding Frisk's one shot attack.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I really dont see why corvo cant just timestop

 

[Arcker123]

Can't he soul hax corvo

 

[Naito-desu]

Sans can open with Soul Manip and concuss Corvo with repeated smashing before Corvo can do timestop, especially since he's faster. With 20 mins of prep time, he can have gaster blasters immediately ready for Corvo and then keep Corvo in place with his Soul Manip to take all those hits.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Since when has sans ever shown to benefit in any way from prep time? Hell even in-game he had hours of prep leading up to Chara and nver showed the capacity to utiliz it so i dont know why its bing argud that h would do so hre

 

[Naito-desu]

Prep time by itself is useless since has nothing to set up, so @Arcker123 also would need to clarify what that means since it doesn't benefit Sans in many ways, but prep time with prior knowledge of Corvo would be a different story

 

[WeeklyBattles]

At that point it seems kinda unfair, litrally vrything in th match would b stackd against corvo

 

[Arcker123]

Would removing prep and replacing it with knowledge be fair

 

[Naito-desu]

I don't know thinking about it more, it'd probably be an incon or stomp in Sans' favor if you gave him knowledge.

Sans' attacks negate dura via hurting the soul and while Frisk can tank those attacks with their special abilities, Corvo can't. Sans' Karma skill on his attacks deal poison attacks to the Soul meaning if he gets one off, Corvo is ****** anyway, and he knows that Corvo can timestop so will do his best to land a hit on Corvo and win by war of attrition. And if Corvo still manages to kill Sans, Karma will more than likely kill him anyway.

It's stomp or high-diff win for Sans with knowledge. No knowledge is more fair but may work in the opposite direction since Corvo can timehax and oneshot Sans anyway since they're ten meters apart.

 

[Arcker123]

Isn't there a thread that states undertale soul hax doesn't onseshot those without resistance?

 

[Arcker123]

Also sans prep time isn't that long, I don't think it makes it a stomp

 

[Naito-desu]

I know it doesn't one-shot but Sans' has Karma which acts as poison to the soul, so I'm not sure how that factors in

 

[Arcker123]

About Gaster blasters, Corvo has redirective blink, which stops time when he aims his teleport

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah but Sans can also use his teleport on Corvo to move him into harm's way again

 

[Arcker123]

When has he done this?

 

[Naito-desu]

It says so on his profile:

• Teleportation: While Sans is unable to reset the universe in the manner of someone such as Frisk or Flowey, he has shown to have a useful form of teleportation, allowing him to teleport not only himself but objects and other people, as well. During a battle, Sans will often teleport his opponent, himself, and his attacks, not only moving out of harm's way but moving his foe into the path of a new attack. He has also shown the ability to restrain an enemy by repeatedly warping them back to their initial position.

Sans can warp Corvo back to his starting position or into a new pattern of attack and has repeatedly done this against Frisk to throw them off their evasion attempts.

 

[Arcker123]

Ok, All Corvo needs to do is raise his hand to timestop/teleport, and given sans combat speed is equal to corvos reaction speed it would be easy to dodge

 

[Naito-desu]

But Sans doesn't even need to move anything to activate the warp. And has done this even against Supersonic fighters like Frisk.

 

[Arcker123]

Does he lead with this, cause corvo can wave his hand in kill him with aoe (which i dont think frisk uses)

 

[Naito-desu]

Depends on whether Sans has knowledge or not, because Sans can teleport out of the AOE even without knowledge but would die anyway from Timestop

But if he did know, he can lead with teleport since he can also teleport himself, Corvo and his attacks simultaneously based on his fight with Frisk, and then immediately put Corvo in harms' way. He'll keep Corvo at a comfortable distance and keep resetting his position while trying to pelt him with projectiles since he has superior range against an equipment-less Corvo, and if Corvo can't hit him immediately, he'll end up being reset anyway.

 

[Arcker123]

Corvo can't hit him immediately, he'll end up being reset anyway.

Wait... i thought only frisk and chara could reset

 

[Naito-desu]

I meant reset back to their starting position, which is what Sans does with his warp.

 

[Naito-desu]

Corvo can try and close the distance with Blink and try and timestop, but Sans has superior reaction speed so would definitely put him back away before Corvo could activate Timestop and kill him.

But at this rate you're really stacking it against Corvo to let Sans win since Corvo would xeleestomp with all his equipment. Even without knowledge, what can Sans really do against someone who can one shot him and can timestop?

 

[Arcker123]

Replaced prep with knowledge, hope this is fair

 

[Arcker123]

Also what's the range on sans attacks

 

[Naito-desu]

Sans has dozens of meters with bone projectiles, even higher with the beams from the Gaster Blaster. He's a primarily ranged fighter since he is quite frail in comparison to other monsters.

 

[Arcker123]

Corvo has similar range but his range is harder to land due to sans reaction speed, aoe is corvos only range that can work

 

[Arcker123]

Would frisk make this fair

 

[Naito-desu]

Frisk teaming with Sans?

 

[Arcker123]

No just frisk

 

[Naito-desu]

Checking both have sufficient wincons so I think Frisk would be more fair

 

[Arcker123]

If more people think that i can change it

 

[Arcker123]

About sans TK, even the fodder corvo beats in droves can TK corvo so idk how effective that will be on him

 

[Naito-desu]

Sans' TK manipulates the soul and basically subjects the user to Gravity Manipulation, so they can fall upwards or downwards or sidewards. Considering it grips the soul and not just Corvo's body I imagine it's probably a tad more effective