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To make a profile about bibilical profiles IF I don't use characters related to god or god himself? Specifically I want to do one on the angel of death. Found a large star level feat in the bible and I'm wondering if it's allowed.
 
No, very not allowed. We can't make pages for figures from active religions, it's far too controversial.
 
That should be discussed then, but, as has been said many times before, two wrongs don't make a right. No biblical pages.
 
I'm pretty sure the Shinto themselves regard their gods as just stories and don't think they're real.
 
Promestein said:
That should be discussed then, but, as has been said many times before, two wrongs don't make a right. No biblical pages.
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Understood. We should likely delete the Shinto pages then.

The Everlasting said:
I'm pretty sure the Shinto themselves regard their gods as just stories and don't think they're real.
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Some, but not all. There are still a good del who still believe in them.
 
As stated above, it's important to avoid making profiles for characters from currently practiced religions to avoid controversy. We can only use fictional portrayals in other media that have no relation to the original religious text itself.

I'm not sure about the Shinto gods.
 
Reppuzan said:
As stated above, it's important to avoid making profiles for characters from currently practiced religions to avoid controversy. We can only use fictional portrayals in other media that have no relation to the original religious text itself.
I'm not sure about the Shinto gods.
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Yeah I get that but now we should delete Shinto Gods, let's use this thread for another purpose.
 
What large star level feat did you find?

Also, don't do it. Biblical chars and vs battles in one place only result in mess. *Flashbacks to Lucifer vs Zeus thread*
 
The japanese themselves don't care if their old gods are depicted in media. Not in any way, shape or form.

Plenty of anime and games have Shinto Gods in it, often in negative light, and the japanese had never bothered to whine about it. There is no history of Shinto Fundamentalists complaining or censoring media.

If Japan has no problems with Shintoism being used like, why should we? Shintoism is barely a religion outside of Japan in terms of followers.
 
Jucaslucas said:
What large star level feat did you find?
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A description of his size

Also, don't do it. Biblical chars and vs battles in one place only result in mess. *Flashbacks to Lucifer vs Zeus thread*

Show me it. I'm curious.
 
The Large Star Feat is "It takes 500 years for a man to walk over Sandalphon's length". It's not in the Bible.
 
@Loyal

I'd like to get some additional input before we start deleting profiles. We've recently had a similar debacle and I don't want to repeat it.

But a quick Google Search states that it is still Japan's dominant religion.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Loyal

I'd like to get some additional input before we start deleting profiles. We've recently had a similar debacle and I don't want to repeat it.

But a quick Google Search states that it is still Japan's dominant religion.
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Then lets discuss this.

Matthew Schroeder said:
The Large Star Feat is "It takes 500 years for a man to walk over Sandalphon's length". It's not in the Bible.
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Where is it from then?
 
Also, half of Japan isn't Shinto, they are a mix of Shinto and Buddhist that is not nearly as strict as followers of one religion. It's less about believing in the myths themselves and more tradition, philosophy, rites and other things. For instance, it's fairly normal for japanese people to go to all sorts of Shinto festivals, yet get married in a Christian Church and hold Buddhist funerals.
 
Making a profile for Amaterasu, or Izanami, or Susanoo going from the Kojiki won't offend anyone. The vast majority of Jaapanese people do not believe in these deities in a literal sense.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Also, half of Japan isn't Shinto, they are a mix of Shinto and Buddhist that is not nearly as strict as followers of one religion. It's less about believing in the myths themselves and more tradition, philosophy, rites and other things. For instance, it's fairly normal for japanese people to go to all sorts of Shinto festivals, yet get married in a Christian Church and hold Buddhist funerals.
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Japan does have traditionalists who might get upset at our profiles
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Yeah, cause we have all heard stories of Japanese being upset at Shin Megami Tensei and Persona.
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Can we not have double standard here? I know you love religion but unfortunately we will have to delete it.
 
You're more or less the only one who thinks that. Don't act like it's a certain thing that will happen.
 
@Loyal

We only delete religious profiles if they're currently widely practiced. For example, worship of the Greek Gods was once widely practiced, but is no longer, allowing us to make these profiles without controversy.

If the Japanese public as a whole is willing to take fiction's interpretations of the Shinto gods in stride, then there is no problem.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Loyal
We only delete religious profiles if they're currently widely practiced. For example, worship of the Greek Gods was once widely practiced, but is no longer, allowing us to make these profiles without controversy.

If the Japanese public as a whole is willing to take fiction's interpretations of the Shinto gods in stride, then there is no problem.
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Japan has plenty of traditionalists in it's population.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for all faiths to be acceptable for profiles, not at all. Christian and Hindu are absolutely out of the question, but we need to be reasonable.

Roughly 20 - 40 Thousand people living today believe in the Greek Pantheon. Should we delete all Greek Myth pages to not offend them? No, of course not, the Greek Myths are almost univerally held to not be true and even these religious people believe in the Olympians more as archetypes and symbols.

There are a huge amount of Buddhists and Taoists around. Both religions have partial roots in Chinese Mythology. Does this mean I can't make a profile for the Jade Emperor? No, of course I can. Nobody believes in the Jade Emperor, or in the gods of ancient chinese folklore. The overall philosophy stayed, but the literal myths faded.

Are there Shinto Fundamentalists? Sure they are, but they are few and far between, and Japan itself has no issue with the huge amount of media who depicts their deities as characters, or villains, or monsters, demons, moe characters, etc. In the West if your fiction so much as depicts Christianity in a slightly non-traditional way, thousands will be despising you. In Japan there seems to be no such thing.

So no, I don't think Shinto profiles should be gone when they are based on almost entirely literal interpretations of myths while modern Shintoists mostly just keep philosophy, belief in vague Kami, ideas about Afterlife, etc.
 
Why are you bringing up Japanese Fundamentalists when we are in a western-centric website and you were wishing to make profiles for a western religion with literally millions of fundamentalists?
 
I'd like to see a number, since I sort of doubt that the ratio of traditionalists to the number of casual Shinto practitioners is going to be very high given the highly commercialized nature of the country.

Shinto as a whole only has about 4 Million practitioners, and I haven't received any reports of controversy or even the profiles' use in versus matches. Ultimately, I'm leaning towards letting them stay.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for all faiths to be acceptable for profiles, not at all. Christian and Hindu are absolutely out of the question, but we need to be reasonable.
Roughly 20 - 40 Thousand people living today believe in the Greek Pantheon. Should we delete all Greek Myth pages to not offend them? No, of course not, the Greek Myths are almost univerally held to not be true and even these religious people believe in the Olympians more as archetypes and symbols.

There are a huge amount of Buddhists and Taoists around. Both religions have partial roots in Chinese Mythology. Does this mean I can't make a profile for the Jade Emperor? No, of course I can. Nobody believes in the Jade Emperor, or in the gods of ancient chinese folklore. The overall philosophy stayed, but the literal myths faded.

Are there Shinto Fundamentalists? Sure they are, but they are few and far between, and Japan itself has no issue with the huge amount of media who depicts their deities as characters, or villains, or monsters, demons, moe characters, etc. In the West if your fiction so much as depicts Christianity in a slightly non-traditional way, thousands will be despising you. In Japan there seems to be no such thing.

So no, I don't think Shinto profiles should be gone when they are based on almost entirely literal interpretations of myths while modern Shintoists mostly just keep philosophy, belief in vague Kami, ideas about Afterlife, etc.
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Alright, I concede.

Matthew Schroeder said:
Why are you bringing up Japanese Fundamentalists when we are in a western-centric website and you were wishing to make profiles for a western religion with literally millions of fundamentalists?
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I don't like double standards.
 
The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus VICE INTL (Greece)
The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus VICE INTL (Greece)

^ There is a sizeable proportion of people who believe in Zeus and pray to him daily. If we are going to use the argument of belief, then no myth would be allowed.

Hell, Jediism is the second largest religion in New Zealand, and nobody would use that to say we can't make Star Wars profiles.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus VICE INTL (Greece)
The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus VICE INTL (Greece)
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^ There is a sizeable proportion of people who believe in Zeus and pray to him daily. If we are going to use the argument of belief, then no myth would be allowed.

Hell, Jediism is the second largest religion in New Zealand, and nobody would use that to say we can't make Star Wars profiles.

What part of "I concede" do you not understand?
 
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