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Alien X Undoing Minor CRT

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Alien X currently has Body Puppetry because of making the amalgam kids fight each other. In actuality ,there is no mention of puppeteering their bodies whatsoever.
The ability matches with Mind Manipulation/Control more as Ben wouldn't take the time to individually puppeteer all their actions and merely gave a mental command to the good guys and bad guys to fight each other.
That's it Body Puppetry gets Replaced with layered Mind Manipulation/Control since Servantis was already mind controlling (some of) the Rooters.

Whampire seems to use Body Puppetry and Hypnosis, not mind control, so that should be changed.

Votes :
Agree : @DemonicDude, @Firestorm808
Disagree: @Aachintya31, @Reiner, @Abstractly_a_Protagonist
Neutral: @Spectral69420
 
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Body Puppetry and hypnosis, he serves as an exquisite example of how Body Puppetry is actually treated in Ben 10. That said they still call it mind control in Ben 10 iirc.
 
Alien X currently has Body Puppetry because of making the amalgam kids fight each other. In actuality ,there is no mention of puppeteering their bodies whatsoever.
The ability matches with Mind Manipulation/Control more as Ben wouldn't take the time to individually puppeteer all their actions and merely gave a mental command to the good guys and bad guys to fight each other.
That's it Body Puppetry gets Replaced with layered Mind Manipulation/Control since Servantis was already mind controlling (some of) the Rooters.

Votes :
Agree :
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This is a minor CRT that was wrongly added. In fact this does not even qualify as a CRT since it's just the name change and was wrongly done.
The other CRT from Body Control was not incorrect. Had a lot of agrees and had a lead time of 7 days before it was added
 
Alien X currently has Body Puppetry because of making the amalgam kids fight each other. In actuality ,there is no mention of puppeteering their bodies whatsoever.
The ability matches with Mind Manipulation/Control more as Ben wouldn't take the time to individually puppeteer all their actions and merely gave a mental command to the good guys and bad guys to fight each other.
That's it Body Puppetry gets Replaced with layered Mind Manipulation/Control since Servantis was already mind controlling (some of) the Rooters.

Whampire seems to use Body Puppetry and Hypnosis, not mind control, so that should be changed.

Votes :
Agree : @Spectral69420, @DemonicDude, @Firestorm808
Alien X affecting their mind here requires explicit proof especially when He could have swapped them out of Servantis's mind control but he couldn't.
Puppeteering doesn't require evidence ,it affects the body which was shown, Mind manipulation requires evidence of involvement of mind.
Edit : you are suggesting its layered. This is not possible, if Alien X had Mind controlled them ,he would have to overcome Servantis Mind control completely but after the scene ,the amalgam kids were still in Servantis's control
 
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What are you talking about? I have literally never created an Alien X CRT, not even Ben 10.
I never said you did ?
All I said is
"Stop making Alien X CRTs in general"
For one or two abilities,
If people want to Make Alien X CRTs make sure it's not a long and detailed one instead of adding one or two abilities over and over again.
This Message goes to all Ben 10 fans.
 
Alien X affecting their mind here requires explicit proof especially when He could have swapped them out of Servantis's mind control but he couldn't.
Puppeteering doesn't require evidence ,it affects the body which was shown, Mind manipulation requires evidence of involvement of mind.
Edit : you are suggesting its layered. This is not possible, if Alien X had Mind controlled them ,he would have to overcome Servantis Mind control completely but after the scene ,the amalgam kids were still in Servantis's control
That would only be a temporary solution with no difference on how that fight would go down, Alien X could have literally broken Servantis' tech if he wanted the mind control gone.
Them not talking whereas people under Lord Vladat's control do talk is evidence. Don't even try to bring up the vocal cords since that is a big ass assumption with Ben having zero reason to do that.
The layered mind control stop being in effect when Ben detransforms, so Servantis is free to take over again.
 
Them not talking whereas people under Lord Vladat's control do talk is evidence. Don't even try to bring up the vocal cords since that is a big ass assumption with Ben having zero reason to do that.
The entire Alien X vs amalgam kids was focused on the speech servantis was giving to kevin. The point they were not talking is moot.
That would only be a temporary solution with no difference on how that fight would go down, Alien X could have literally broken Servantis' tech if he wanted the mind control gone.
After detransformation Ben says "Proctor Servantis has been messing with their heads". If Alien X were to use Mind manipulation on the amalagam Kids ,he could have removed Servantis from their heads instead of saying such a statement.
The layered mind control stop being in effect when Ben detransforms, so Servantis is free to take over again.
Their is no statement of Alien X affecting the mind. The gesture Alien X used to make them fight each other reaffirms puppetry.
 
The entire Alien X vs amalgam kids was focused on the speech servantis was giving to kevin. The point they were not talking is moot.
Not really, someone yelling "whaah" in the background or whatever wouldn't hurt the flow.
After detransformation Ben says "Proctor Servantis has been messing with their heads". If Alien X were to use Mind manipulation on the amalagam Kids ,he could have removed Servantis from their heads instead of saying such a statement.
Servantis could just take control again and again Alien X could have yeeted Servantis and his tech right then and there. Him not undoing his mindhax by taking out the core problem is a choice that he made.
Their is no statement of Alien X affecting the mind. The gesture Alien X used to make them fight each other reaffirms puppetry.
It doesn't reaffirm it, that could easily also be a mind control gesture.

Did you already address my argument of how Ben just wouldn't take the time to individually puppeteer their actions btw?
 
Did you already address my argument of how Ben just wouldn't take the time to individually puppeteer their actions btw?
This is just greater potency for body puppetry, he can control 6 people at once.
It doesn't reaffirm it, that could easily also be a mind control gesture.
It does. almost nobody uses gestures for mind control. Even servantis orders them mentally without using bodily gestures.
Hand gestures without any statement of mind's involvement implies body puppetry instead of mind manipulation.
Not really, someone yelling "whaah in the background" or whatever wouldn't hurt the flow.
To make the scene impactful ,to make sure people believe kevin is getting influenced by servantis ,it does hurt the flow.
Him not undoing his mindhax by taking out the core problem is a choice that he made.
He knew they were mindhax. He didn't do it because he wasn't using mind manipulation in the first place.
 
This is just greater potency for body puppetry, he can control 6 people at once.
Yeah but Ben would need to think about all of their actions and what not while they perform them.
It does. almost nobody uses gestures for mind control. Even servantis orders them mentally without using bodily gestures.
Hmm, that is a fair point. Then again Lord Vladat doesn't use gestures for Body Puppetry so it just seems unrelated.
To make the scene impactful ,to make sure people believe kevin is getting influenced by servantis ,it does hurt the flow.
Actually never mind Helen did the "whaah" thing. Them not talking probably doesn't matter yeah.
He knew they were mindhax. He didn't do it because he wasn't using mind manipulation in the first place.
My guy, the easiest fix is to just punch Servantis. They couldn't stop him. Him using mindhax to temporarily snap them out of it is less efficient than this. So Ben was just unconcerned with snapping them out of it while he was Alien X.
 
Then again Lord Vladat doesn't use gestures for Body Puppetry so it just seems unrelated.
Noop the thing vladats do is mind control as stated on his profile. His case is different since he uses his spit to do it and is unrelated to this discussion.
My guy, the easiest fix is to just punch Servantis. They couldn't stop him.
That goes for all the What if scenarios, but here had he used mind manipulation he would first have to get rid of their loyalty neuromatrix.
Yeah but Ben would need to think about all of their actions and what not while they perform them.
Alien X can do anything
 
Yeah but Ben would need to think about all of their actions and what not while they perform them.
Jokes aside, Puppeting more than 1 people is not a big thing and happens a lot in fiction

Edit: The body puppetry page says this
However, the end result is often extremely similar, so it can often be confused as either the aforementioned abilities, even in-verse.
Since vladats have statement of mind controlling people ,its mind control. People being able to talk while being mind controlled is skill issue from Lord Vladat
 
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Noop the thing vladats do is mind control as stated on his profile
My guy this CRT literally mentions changing that in the OP.
His case is different since he uses his spit to do it and is unrelated to this discussion.
That's only to get people under his control, not to have them do stuff afterwards. This is not unrelated since the argument is about how mind control and body puppetry are portrayed in Ben 10.
That goes for all the What if scenarios, but here had he used mind manipulation he would first have to get rid of their loyalty neuromatrix.
He can just bypass Servantis' mind manipulation. If anything if the neuromatrix is biological mind control it's a literal non-issue.
Alien X can do anything
That includes bypassing Servantis' mindhax and it's not even about what he can do, it's about how much effort Ben would need to put in to do it.
Jokes aside, Puppeting more than 1 people is not a big thing and happens a lot in fiction
That is correct, mindhaxing multiple people happens a lot in fiction too.
Edit: The body puppetry page says this
That cuts both ways.
Since vladats have statement of mind controlling people ,its mind control. People being able to talk while being mind controlled is skill issue from Lord Vladat
It's unclear, Rook and Viktor are visibly struggling against it with their neck for instance. But it is possible yeah.
 
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