Slowing from the aura and nullification from the field would still apply once said attacks get within range of both, pressure waves should further that too. Nullification is made a lot slower by their raw AP though
Looks like I'll have to whip out the busted V. Verse skill scaling chain again, I'll get it from another thread
on top of that, he has Genius aiming systems and such which puts him even a bit higher. Grender can fight post sea war Ako, who is so far beyond his previous self that he even refers to the aforementioned Vacteria feats as ‘scrap’, so literally trash."Froggytron can expand on this more since he made Nullifixers and what all they do, but higher durability enemies than Grender just experience the effects slower. The difference between High 4-C and 5-B is like literally astronomical so I'd say it would take a while, but he could give a more accurate/definite answer
Escape Teleport is derived from Grender's core which is practically a different entity in that it thinks independently of Grender and is designed as a last resort protection device. The core inside of him constantly checks if Grender isn’t taking critical damage, and also scans the area around for the safest spots. The moment a critical damage may approach, the Core is aware of it and teleports Grender to said safest spots. It isn't direct precognition, but it's so good that it might as well be. Similar to how the skill chain has Grender >>>>>>>>>>>>> higher than someone who can dodge near-precog attacks
There is no need for a list. Nullifixers, besides his own specialized mirrors, all hit start nullifying from existence, beginning with their powers, where 'Instant contact' is already a time its properties can affect decently. It's especially stated that the cost of nullifying enormously large or durable objects is time, but it's not by "adding", but rather an exponential rate. His base version should be capable of making microscopical cracks at 2-tier beings possessing an extreme lists of layered resistances without it taking hours, but rather upper dozens of seconds at a low estimation. Worth mentioning that Volt (past V.Verse entrance) makes nullifixers even faster, and his 3rd key further greatly increases their output and nullifying speed.
Perfectly said
Speaking of that, this would actually be a good time to post what was going to be my response to Spinorr in the Devipelt VS Blake thread before Blake got downgraded. Hopefully this can provide more info on how skilled the characters are-
Hokori has god-like skills and senses which way surpass others like Vacteria who have senses which are close to spider sense capacity. I mean she’s called perfect for a reason. It’s true that ‘A is vastly over B’ in the sense that Hokori is this over the Superstars, who I mentioned are over Alela and Meerus who are over the hundreds of soldiers and so on. V. Verse has a chain of ‘A vastly superior to B’ that doesn’t include any precog and there are characters who defeat literal precognition on skill alone, multiple times even, even against precognition abilities able to view tons of future scenarios at once, and not just a couple seconds into the future either, I’m talking minutes
Could take awhile, Nullifixers are extremely useful, and I’m out at lunch, I maybe hold off on this for 20-30 minutes but considering it can nullify law manipulation to an extent, I think it’s safe assuming it can nullify what Aledpaw uses considering the profile has nothing close to what Nullifixers were actually shown to null (and I’ve looked over it many times so I’m confident in this statement). I’ll get into the specifics soon if it’s still necessary
Hokori has god-like skills and senses which way surpass others like Vacteria who have senses which are close to spider sense capacity. I mean she’s called perfect for a reason. It’s true that ‘A is vastly over B’ in the sense that Hokori is this over the Superstars, who I mentioned are over Alela and Meerus who are over the hundreds of soldiers and so on. V. Verse has a chain of ‘A vastly superior to B’ that doesn’t include any precog and there are characters who defeat literal precognition on skill alone, multiple times even, even against precognition abilities able to view tons of future scenarios at once, and not just a couple seconds into the future either, I’m talking minutes
Nope, it’s not AP based, the skill statements are literal. That’s just the way it is, V. Verse is composed of skill gods. Blood Sea soldiers individually can defeat precognition on sheer skill, you need to think about how skilled someone would be to be able to defeat hundreds of those without precog themselves. Sure they have some aoe and whatnot but the stats aren’t so big that they just blow them all away, and I mentioned the abilities blood sea soldiers have which are not actually resisted by either Light or Alela in those keys. Plus Blood sea soldiers can dodge attacks like that pretty well anyway
Again, skill statements are literally, there’s not a resistance to any of those which is notable enough to mention, blood sea soldiers can ignore those types of resistances anyway even if they did have them. Light and Alela win INSPITE of it all, and the characters higher skilled than them are the same, especially Grender. These are skill levels so high that they defy logic like ‘predicting what the enemy does next’ even dozens of times over, they are simply that high
This was a lot to readdoesn’t seem like it’s similar to Grender though. I mean you said it’s impossible to defeat hundreds of soldiers with those abilities stated, but it IS possible in V. Verse, which means that I’m assuming Animazians skill levels still rest at the logical extremes which Grender surpasses, and he surpasses people who surpasses two people that surpass that logic as well
Grender doesn’t have reactive evolution in his original base form which is what is being referred to. He was manufactured by a genius civilization facing an incoming apocalypse nobody would have defeated anyway. The Blue Stickmen may have been delusional thinking Grinder would win but they tried their best, and that's why he is so equipped to fight stronger enemies even before Volt. Nullifxers would null an enemy even if they blitz Grender if they have lower durability and it’s a pretty layered ability too, being able to work on nonexistent phenomena and all.
It doesn't scale above it, I said it because it lets him dodge stuff from characters these skilled, particularly Necrozus and Ako. Grender himself isn't using any precognition, it's his core which does it passively. Escape Teleport is Grender's most draining move though. Force him to use it enough times, and slowly, you'll start to notice he isn't using it so much anymore. But even a combat genius like Necrozus couldn't notice because Grender is so good at hiding it. Only Ako was able to notice, and this was after a decently long brawl too
Blood Sea Soldiers have limited Mana Manipulation which is infinitely layered."Otherwise, that just sounds like having resistance to possessing precog, extrasensory, instinctive actions, MAYBE enemy slowing powers (idk I'd need more
I'll say again that in V. Verse, it is possible. If the skill difference is great enough, senses don't apply, including senses so great that they are on the cusp of precognition. This is true even at the very start of the series, with the first 'Arc Boss' Queen Vacteria and Ako dodging her attacks. The skill of the characters are dozens of times greater than back then. Light and Alela both do surpass the AP of Blood Sea Soldiers pretty significantly But they also have regen. Aiming for weak points becomes invalid when they just regenerate. Light and Alela both had to act on the limited Mana they had as well and combine it with the skill to be able to do what they did. You don't have to resist an enemies abilities to have a good fight with them or even stomp them in this case.
Yes I agree we ought to get back to the main debate. Both characters seem highly skilled though I maintain that Grender has more + Escape Teleport of course. I think it's important to point out how normally, Grender is always in a state of Bloodlust. He sees anyone without Electrojutsu as 'white' which is a color he is designed to annihilate because of the Blue Stickmen lore. So, he will see Aledpaw as white and attack viciously. However, in Null Overdrive, this is especially true. In this form, he sees anything which he previously saw as white colored to be far more so, greatly raising his aggression towards them, into an 'overdrive.' It's more like a white hurricane rather than a white coating now. So he'll go all out and use every method to win this as aggressively, quickly, and brutally as he can
Mana does that too, it would be a long explanation but it does negate both infinite defense and infinite resistance to certain effects but it’s conditional too. Grender doesn’t have it so shouldn’t apply to this fight anyway
I said that you said it’s impossible to defeat hundreds of people ‘with the abilities provided’, you continue to insist that you need the resistances when light and Alela and actually way more in V. Verse prove that’s not true
Defeating hundreds of blood sea soldiers is the feat, not just a statement from me, even defeating a single one is a genuine feat, these things are a bit busted. We shouldn’t really talk about this anymore I suppose
Grender can most certainly return from a solar system of BFR distance. He massively upscales from multiple FTL+ characters and this gets higher and higher with rage power, and if he is BFR’d, he most certainly would be upset about it, especially since he was attempting to destroy someone he saw as a ‘whiteness hurricane’ (that only puts him into a frenzy way beyond what he normally experiences) plus, Electrojutsu allows him to turn into a streak of lighting and gain 500+ times his speed in addition. I think he would return before the amount of time to win via BFR applies
Then Volt Controllers would null the physiology stuff. But they also temporarily blocked off a soul-based transformation so it's very potent and can null in unconventional ways. Surely that's something super useful for Grender here
Errmmm no flight listed in the page
The point is that if it's a power derived from ones body down to the soul, Volt Controllers can null it if they land their passive waves. It needs to be decently close range though which is why I mention it alongside the starting distance
The sketch image I made portrays Grender in his OG version, he doesn't even have legs by default and is a perfected maneuver using his blue jets, supposed to dodge the hardest space attacks. Blue Stickmen (his creators) were highly skilled engineers, namely in mechanical technology including movement => flight.
I can't believe I didn't add flight, his most basic ability, to the page when everything else is so through
We caught you lackingI can't believe I didn't add flight, his most basic ability, to the page when everything else is so through
Based on looking through her profile, I believe her arsenal has odds of doing especially that. Grender's odds of winning at some point (returning with new strategies) are still higher, before he hits 0% stamina and just gets screwed in that scenario
