Akuma revision?

[Grudgeman1706]

Okay so I have been looking at Akumas profile for some time now and it got me thinking on some things and that's how we scale and rate Akuma. I want to propose some changes and add some things to make his profile more specific and clearer

Alright First thing first his AP. I'm not arguing on his feats or the calc placing him I just want to point out some things. Akuma is rated "at least 7-A" because he sank the island gotetsu which is impressive except the description said it was a with a single punch which is find but it doesn't specify what type it was because it wasent just a normal punch. If you rewatch the ending to the said feat you will see Akuma cruelly performing a very well know move of his know as Kongou Kokuretsuzan (ÚçæÕëøÕ£ïÞúéµû¼, "Vajra Province Rending Slash" this move is indicated when he raises his one hand and strikes down on the ground and the whole area is devastating by the moves power. If you watch the ending to the fest he performed you can clearly see him performing this technique to sink the island.

Also this isn't some normal technique it's actually one of his ultimate moves so I say we can't just say he is tier 7-A normally because his normal punches are not that high but rather I propose "tier: 7-A when using kongou kokuretsuzan.

Also to begin with the feat itself is more in my opinion environmentally destructive than really normal destructive because ryu was on said island and was completely fine and was not affected by Akuma performing that move very close to him and was submerged in water after so really his tier should be "Akuma: tier unknown normally (my assumption for now is at least town level since he took down M.Bison quite easily) 7-A environmental destructive for kongou kokuretsuzan(it can be argued for the environmental part but this is what I believed but it could change by your opinions) the rest of his tiers seem perfectly fine since oni is clearly unknown since we don't know his full power and shin Akumas rank is reasonable enough.

Many may argue on other feats that could keep Akumas their normally like Spillting Ayuers Rock for example however again that same feat was Akuma performing the kongou kokuretsuzan( you may look it up if you don't believe me) so my proposition still stands. Next is speed

Speed:Again,just to re establish I'm not arguing on the calculations just how it was executed. The feat used was Akuma using or rather perfecting a move of his called sakiya konretsu ha which is an upward blast and I believe again an ultimate move of his in a pervious fighting street fighter game (correct me if I'm wrong)

I have no problem with the calc itself, however what does bug me is we have him and others at this speed because ryu and others have dodged his hadokens or other moves. This ,one is clearly not some normal move he uses in his fights.

I think his speed should be debated for another time so for now I say we change his speed to unknown( or at least massively hypersonic since the M.bison feat we have which I will get too another day) So their you have it I propose we change Akumas tier rating and how his speed and AP are labeled based on the reasonings I listed above please give me you opinions and any questions you have pleas don't hesitate to ask.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that most profiles go by the maximum known power of a single attack, even with a certain amount of preparation time. However, I am not an expert regarding Street Fighter characters.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I think that most profiles go by the maximum known power of a single attack, even with a certain amount of preparation time. However, I am not an expert regarding Street Fighter characters.

Your right about that but would that apply with normal attacks and such. because the thing is Akuma normally doesn't perform feats like the island one unless he's performing that ultimate move also his other feats like splitting Ayers Rock he's again using the exact same thing. So it's reasonable for me to say he can only perform that level of power when he uses his kongou kokuretsuzan. I'm merely suggesting we space out and separate his tier to "7 C-B normally (listed above) 7-A environmental destructive when using kongou kokuretsuzan(destroyed the gokutetsu island when using this move, ryu was unharmed when he performed said feat even at close range so it's reasonable to say it affects more the area around him then the opponent specifically.)This is what I believe and propose ,however if some gives me a well thought out reason on why that's wrong and people agree I don't mind not putting the environmental part

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I disagree with you, Grudge.

Yes, Akuma did have to use an ultimate move to sink the island, but said ultimate move cannot be that greater in power than his normal moves. Scaling him down to High 7-C or 7-B is ridiculous. Even if the Vajra Province Rending Slash is x10 times stronger than Akuma's regular attacks, that wouldn't put him below 7-A.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I'm not disagreeing with his feat I understand that,what I'm saying. Is we have never seen him perform any other technique at the level his move did, what I'm saying suggesting is we make his 7-A environmental destructive because if you look at the feat again ryu was also on that island and very close to Akuma and he wasent affected by it and only said island was sucked, ryu was just floating in the water just fine, also if your ear up on Akumas move the kongou kokuretsuzan is his most powerful physical move before the shun goku satsu(his raging demon is hax so that's why it's his best move) I'm merely suggesting we make it 7-A Environmental destructive because of this as for his casual I said unknown would be better because I do not know how much damage he can do normally with normal moves. As for his normal moves and attacks maybe either low 7-A or high 7-B sounds better since your right 7-B sounds too low for him

What about his speed though you never gave your opinion on it

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Matthew.

Also, Grudgeman, you will have to structure your text much better in the future. It is hard to make out what you mean.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

akuma did pierce down a small island with an incomplete kongou kokuretsuzan but still would but him at the same tier anyway by the time he mastered it anyway

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I agree with Matthew.

Also, Grudgeman, you will have to structure your text much better in the future. It is hard to make out what you mean.

What do you mean I seperated my topics ones speed and the other is AP/Tier listing

 

[Antvasima]

I mean that you wrote them as disorganised large blocks of text, rather than separating different connected blocks of sentences.

It is hard to read and understand.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Antvasima means the OP message at the top, Grudge.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I mean that you wrote them as disorganised large blocks of text, rather than separating different connected blocks of sentences.

It is hard to read and understand.

Okay I will seperate my blocks more

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I disagree with you, Grudge.

Yes, Akuma did have to use an ultimate move to sink the island, but said ultimate move cannot be that greater in power than his normal moves. Scaling him down to High 7-C or 7-B is ridiculous. Even if the Vajra Province Rending Slash is x10 times stronger than Akuma's regular attacks, that wouldn't put him below 7-A.

Matt okay I've decided instead of 7-C-B like I suggested first, I will go with yours since it's reasonable and say Akuma should be tiered like this

Akuma:tier high 7-B -low 7-A normally (as the kongou kokuretsuzan is his ,oust powerful physical ultimate move his casual attacks and power should not be far behind like you said), high 7-A environmental destructive with kongou kokuretsuzan ( you never gave me an opinion on this so for now like this, again every time this move is used it affects the environment more than it does on opponents case in point ryu when he was one the same island was near Akuma when he did said attack and only the island was affected and ryu was fine so either he pulverized the island or sunk IDk how that works but for now I keep it lie,mthos until further opinions are given) his shin and oni tiers stay the same since they are reasonable where they are labeled, my issues is with base Akuma. Does this make it better or is it still not reasonable

Also I need a word on speed that's my biggest confusion for Akuma, that feat that was posted, I can't argue against the calc but the execution of the move is outrageous, his normal hadokens and other ranged moves should not scale to this move which again is an ultimate move and Akuma in my opinion should be scaled to basin speed so my Reccomendation is for his speed is "At least massively hypersonic(since he scales from bison and is better and faster than by Unkown extent)

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Grudge, we don't have a High 7-B or Low 7-A tier. I think what your referring to is Large City level which goes alongside our Mountain level tier.

Not to correct ya or anything, just that you put tiers that technically don't exist to this sites tiering system.

 

[Antvasima]

Even if his normal moves are only half as strong, it would likely still be of the same level, although I may misremember.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Okay sorry didn't realize that part hmmmmm okay I guess theirs not much to change on his tiring except maybe put 7-A/ high 7-A environmental destructive with Kongou kokuretsuzan( this is listed as Akuma most powerful move and its damage really only affected the environment around him rather than his opponent ryu was super close to Akuma when he perfected and used the move in street fighter 2nd impact.) but the most important thing I want to see revised is his speed everyone's speed seems to high and both the M.bison and Akuma feats are suspicious especially M.Bisons whatever

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

ryu managed to run away before the effect took place really and look at akuma he took that point blank

 

[Grudgeman1706]

ryu managed to run away before the effect took place really and look at akuma he took that point blank

Ryu didn't run away their isn't a scene showing it at all. Why would Akuma be affected by his own attack.mit doesn't matter he did the feat however his Tier doesn't matter anymore really I might just close the thread for something even more important

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

hm well i haven't really touch the games for a while because of SFV (waiting for story mode >:[) so i did recheck and yeah ryu was there though kind of unclear how he even lived akuma well did do the damage nonetheless

 

[Grudgeman1706]

hm well i haven't really touch the games for a while because of SFV (waiting for story mode >:[) so i did recheck and yeah ryu was there though kind of unclear how he even lived akuma well did do the damage nonetheless

That's why I'm saying lets make it high 7-A environment with kongou kokuretsuzan because ryu survived unscathed and only damaged the island. Heck even the game mechanics say it doesn't do that much damage unless really close up

 

[Antvasima]

We are most likely not going to revise Akuma's tier. Perhaps it would be best to close this thread?

 

[Grudgeman1706]

We are most likely not going to revise Akuma's tier. Perhaps it would be best to close this thread?

Yah I was thinking that can you do it ant

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.