Pernida vs Saitama (9-4-1)

[Johner2133451]

Pernida Parnkgjas

Pernida Parnkgjas (ペルニダ・パルンカジャス, Perunida Parunkajasu?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter, possessing the designation of "C" - The Compulsory. It is the severed left arm of the Soul King and one of Yhwach's elite Schutzstaffel. Tier: High 6-A, higher with Blut Arterie...

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Saitama

Saitama (サイタマ?) is a human from Z-City who; through rigorous (sort of) training broke through his human limiters and achieved unbelievable strength and abilities. Never breaking a sweat, the name One Punch Man is fitting for the effortless wins Saitama has achieved through the series. Never...

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Speed equalized

Pernida at peak key (multi solar): @Purgy, @Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye, @CastoriceTheFifth @Voidnether, @Robo432343, @Specterxxxx, @Apollonir.Scale, @ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn, @Adam1396
Saitama at post balding key (multi solar): @MrTayman616, @Kachon123, @Catbowtie, @Raiden38
Incon: @Arkenis

Place: Z City

LORE: After missing news from Uryu, Yhwach decides to send the hand of the Soul King to investigate what happened in Z City. Upon arrival, Pernida met glances with Saitama which Saitama replies: "Who are you? Are you one of those guys that trying to steal my discount coupons again?". Then Pernida removes it's cloak, revealing it's true form which Saitama responds: "A monster? Guess a normal punch is enough to take care of this"

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Wheres the quincy gauntlet

 

[Johner2133451]

Wheres the quincy gauntlet

Yhwach decides it's best to halt sending quincies to Z city after his elites Askin and Uryu got dogwalked. So now, Aizen decides to go there to research what lies in it

 

[Ebihara]

hmmm.... I am thinking 7 pages for this matchup.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yhwach decides it's best to halt sending quincies to Z city after his elites Askin and Uryu got dogwalked. So now, Aizen decides to go there to research what lies in it

Whats aizens win cons

 

[Johner2133451]

Whats aizens win cons

• Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Aizen's Shikai, Kyōka Suigetsu allows him to manipulate all of his targets senses, including their sense of time and spiritual sight and sensing.The manipulation of the senses allows him to hide things from his target's sight, and could even make a fly seem like a dragon, and a swamp a flower garden. Kyoka Suigetsu's ability takes affect when the target sees the release of his Shikai. This ability is called Kanzen Saimin, and it allows Aizen to create flawless illusions for his target. He has complete control over the entirety of his opponent's sensory system. Aizen can use this ability to create entire false battles through illusions. Aizen additionally can use his illusions to mask entire buildings and maintain the appearance that an entire board of dead people were alive. Being aware of being under the illusion or that it's coming does not help resist it)
• Sealing & Paralysis Inducement (Has an in depth mastery over Bakudo, which even at its most basic levels can paralyze and seal targets)
• Sealing, Gravity Manipulation, Weapon Creation, Deconstruction & Space-Time Manipulation (Atomic; Hado #90: Kurohitsugi is a high level Kido that seals the target within a massive black rectangle.The coffin then grows spikes to pierce those sealed within it. Aizen's Hado #90 is stated to atomize anyone within it and causes gravity to distort space and time)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

• Illusion Creation & Perception Manipulation (Aizen's Shikai, Kyōka Suigetsu allows him to manipulate all of his targets senses, including their sense of time and spiritual sight and sensing.The manipulation of the senses allows him to hide things from his target's sight, and could even make a fly seem like a dragon, and a swamp a flower garden. Kyoka Suigetsu's ability takes affect when the target sees the release of his Shikai. This ability is called Kanzen Saimin, and it allows Aizen to create flawless illusions for his target. He has complete control over the entirety of his opponent's sensory system. Aizen can use this ability to create entire false battles through illusions. Aizen additionally can use his illusions to mask entire buildings and maintain the appearance that an entire board of dead people were alive. Being aware of being under the illusion or that it's coming does not help resist it)
• Sealing & Paralysis Inducement (Has an in depth mastery over Bakudo, which even at its most basic levels can paralyze and seal targets)
• Sealing, Gravity Manipulation, Weapon Creation, Deconstruction & Space-Time Manipulation (Atomic; Hado #90: Kurohitsugi is a high level Kido that seals the target within a massive black rectangle.The coffin then grows spikes to pierce those sealed within it. Aizen's Hado #90 is stated to atomize anyone within it and causes gravity to distort space and time)

doesnt saitama already resist hado 90

 

[Johner2133451]

doesnt saitama already resist hado 90

Not atomic deconstruction since Aizen's hado works on shinigamis that already resists quincy's deconstruction

• Matter Manipulation/Deconstruction/Absorption (Souls with Reiryoku can resist the effects of a Quincy's ability to deconstruct, manipulate and absorb matter)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Aizen will almost certainly immediately put Saitama under Kyoka Suigetsu, and then Saitama can't really do anything. Granted, Saitama doesn't seem to resist Aizen's Spiritual Pressure (Saitama doesn't seem to resist soul-based fear manipulation and paralysis inducement), so it might be a stomp?

 

[Johner2133451]

Aizen will almost certainly immediately put Saitama under Kyoka Suigetsu, and then Saitama can't really do anything. Granted, Saitama doesn't seem to resist Aizen's Spiritual Pressure (Saitama doesn't seem to resist soul-based fear manipulation and paralysis inducement), so it might be a stomp?

Saitama could resist spiritual pressure via his willpower physiology

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Not atomic deconstruction since Aizen's hado works on shinigamis that already resists quincy's deconstruction

• Matter Manipulation/Deconstruction/Absorption (Souls with Reiryoku can resist the effects of a Quincy's ability to deconstruct, manipulate and absorb matter)

His Hado 90 having layered Matter Manipulation/Deconstruction is not accepted. Also, what characters resist Skalverei and then get killed by Hado 90? I don't remember Aizen's Hado 90 ever actually being used on anyone relevant in the Thousand-Year Blood War arc.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Saitama could resist spiritual pressure via his willpower physiology

Willpower and The Limiter (One-Punch Man)

The Limiter (リミッター, Rimittā?) is a barrier placed by God on all beings in the One-Punch Man world that restricts their physical growth[1]. The limiter acts as a sort of cap to an individual's growth, making it impossible to grow past a certain point[1]. There are different ways to bypass the...

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I don't see anything there indicating that.

 

[Johner2133451]

His Hado 90 having layered Matter Manipulation/Deconstruction is not accepted. Also, what characters resist Skalverei and then get killed by Hado 90? I don't remember Aizen's Hado 90 ever actually being used on anyone relevant in the Thousand-Year Blood War arc.

You can check in soul physiology, every low tier souls have it so it includes pre tybw

Soul Physiology (Bleach)

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[Johner2133451]

Willpower and The Limiter (One-Punch Man)

The Limiter (リミッター, Rimittā?) is a barrier placed by God on all beings in the One-Punch Man world that restricts their physical growth[1]. The limiter acts as a sort of cap to an individual's growth, making it impossible to grow past a certain point[1]. There are different ways to bypass the...

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I don't see anything there indicating that.

Reactive evolution since Saitama is uneffected by Garou's fear presence

 

[AigerTheKing]

hmmm.... I am thinking 7 pages for this matchup.

Maybe even longer than LBD 12 pages one

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

You can check in soul physiology, every low tier souls have it so it includes pre tybw

Soul Physiology (Bleach)

Within Bleach most of the major (and even minor) characters are Souls, constructed of Reishi particles and given inherent characteristics that are gained through being a soul in the series, this blog will index all the abilities gained through these characteristics. This rating is given out to...

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Oh, that. Huh, well I guess that is a thing.

Still, I don't think Hado 90 having layered Deconstruction/Matter Manipulation is accepted, even if our profiles might make it seem that way.

 

[Johner2133451]

Oh, that. Huh, well I guess that is a thing.

Still, I don't think Hado 90 having layered Deconstruction/Matter Manipulation is accepted, even if our profiles might make it seem that way.

It's not layered, Aizen's deconstruction is specified on an atomic level while quincies at Molecular level

 

[AigerTheKing]

How does Saitama counter this?

Sealing & Paralysis Inducement (Has an in depth mastery over Bakudo, which even at its most basic levels can paralyze and seal targets)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Reactive evolution since Saitama is uneffected by Garou's fear presence

That's not the same thing as soul-based fear manipulation, nor does that deal with the fact that Saitama doesn't resist soul-based paralysis inducement (hell, he might not even resist the soul-based attack part of Spiritual Pressure since his soul manipulation resistance seems to be about soul-based corruption and soul-based battlefield removal).

 

[Purgy]

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Willpower doesn't defend against soul crush in Bleach so Saitama's willpower based resistance seems irrelevant here according to the SBA page.

 

[Johner2133451]

That's not the same thing as soul-based fear manipulation, nor does that deal with the fact that Saitama doesn't resist soul-based paralysis inducement (hell, he might not even resist the soul-based attack part of Spiritual Pressure since his soul manipulation resistance seems to be about soul-based corruption and soul-based battlefield removal).

I dont think bleach fear hax needs soul fear based resists to resist it (unless you can mention where it's accepted)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

How does Saitama counter this?

He doesn't.

It's not layered, Aizen's deconstruction is specified on an atomic level while quincies at Molecular level

Saitama

Saitama (サイタマ?) is a human from Z-City who; through rigorous (sort of) training broke through his human limiters and achieved unbelievable strength and abilities. Never breaking a sweat, the name One Punch Man is fitting for the effortless wins Saitama has achieved through the series. Never...

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Well, that doesn't matter since Saitama has resistance to matter manipulation on a sub-atomic level.

 

[Kachon123]

Saitama has a considerable stat advantage by nearly 100x. How does Aizen avoid getting splattered?

 

[Johner2133451]

Well, that doesn't matter since Saitama has resistance to matter manipulation on a sub-atomic level.

it only applies to radiation, not deconstruction I believe

 

[Kachon123]

How does Saitama counter this?

• Non-Physical Interaction & Astral Projection (Space & Spirit; Forcibly entered Phoenix Man's spiritual space without a costume, interacted with it, and broke a hole into it from the outside. Phoenix Man was afraid of getting his hands on Saitama even in the Spirit World, believing it would be bad. Kicked away and moved Garou's Hyperspace Gates)

 

[Recon1511]

Didn't we have a thread for this matchup before?

 

[Johner2133451]

Didn't we have a thread for this matchup before?

Yeah but back then Saitama couldnt interact with souls

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I dont think bleach fear hax needs soul fear based resists to resist it (unless you can mention where it's accepted)

Soul Physiology (Bleach)

Within Bleach most of the major (and even minor) characters are Souls, constructed of Reishi particles and given inherent characteristics that are gained through being a soul in the series, this blog will index all the abilities gained through these characteristics. This rating is given out to...

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It comes bundled with their Aura (which works by attacking the soul). That's how it's been treated (which is fine since that's how it works).

Plus, even if that wasn't the case, Saitama still doesn't resist the passive paralysis inducement and the passive soul-based attacks (his soul manipulation resistance does not cover his soul getting attacked like this).

 

[Johner2133451]

Soul Physiology (Bleach)

Within Bleach most of the major (and even minor) characters are Souls, constructed of Reishi particles and given inherent characteristics that are gained through being a soul in the series, this blog will index all the abilities gained through these characteristics. This rating is given out to...

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It comes bundled with their Aura (which works by attacking the soul). That's how it's been treated (which is fine since that's how it works).

Plus, even if that wasn't the case, Saitama still doesn't resist the passive paralysis inducement and the passive soul-based attacks (his soul manipulation resistance does not cover his soul getting attacked like this).

Saitama has a considerable stat advantage by nearly 100x. How does Aizen avoid getting splattered?

What you think

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Saitama has a considerable stat advantage by nearly 100x. How does Aizen avoid getting splattered?

If Saitama punches Aizen, Aizen dies. However, Saitama doesn't resist Aizen's passive soul-based attacks, soul-based fear manipulation, and soul-based paralysis inducement, and Aizen will immediately start by releasing Kyoka Suigetsu, which will put Saitama's senses and perceptions of everything under Aizen's control.

• Non-Physical Interaction & Astral Projection (Space & Spirit; Forcibly entered Phoenix Man's spiritual space without a costume, interacted with it, and broke a hole into it from the outside. Phoenix Man was afraid of getting his hands on Saitama even in the Spirit World, believing it would be bad. Kicked away and moved Garou's Hyperspace Gates)

I don't see that would help Saitama not be paralyzed and/or sealed.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Didn't we have a thread for this matchup before?

I would not be shocked if we did.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Why the weakest and least hax version of Aizen?

 

[Johner2133451]

Why the weakest and least hax version of Aizen?

OPM cant deal with his fusions

 

[Catbowtie]

Can we stop punching the hornet’s nest by having Saitama vs the Bleach gauntlet?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can we stop punching the hornet’s nest by having Saitama vs the Bleach gauntlet?

Fr lets have Ichigo continue on running the Honkai Star Rail gauntlet

 

[Recon1511]

Yeah I don't see this thread going anywhere, unfollowing.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Saitama is far above ofc Cosmic Garou who is resistant to Sub-Atomic Matter Manip and Deconstruction, due to him bein inside an actual Black Hole. And ofc him not gettin affected at all by Garou's Gamma Ray Burst, which causes fission.

I honestly think that that can be down to Macro-Quantum, but even then that's already superior to Atomic.

Just wanted to get that all out there...

 

[Blackcurrant91]

This is a haxstomp lmao

 

[Phoenks]

Uh, Saitama just loses the moment he looks at Aizen lol

Wild stomp

 

[Johner2133451]

Alright since everyone agrees that Aizen solos OPM verse, changing him to Pernida