Adult Gon vs KCM Naruto

[Ichigo_Freecs]

This is pre-Bijuu Mode Naruto against Adult Gon. Who would win in a fight?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Naruto due to speed advantage.

 

[Ichigo_Freecs]

Naruto due to speed advantage.

Elaborate.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

What exactly you want me to elaborate ,KCM Naruto (nine tails chakra cloak) is mach 234 while Gon is listed as Hypersonic+ which is mach 10 to mach 25 ,in other words Naruto is at least 10 times faster that Gon.

 

[Ichigo_Freecs]

What exactly you want me to elaborate ,KCM Naruto (nine tails chakra cloak) is mach 234 while Gon is listed as Hypersonic+ which is mach 10 to mach 25 ,in other words Naruto is at least 10 times faster that Gon.

First of all, prove that KCM Naruto is Mach 234.

Second of all, Gon's speed is far higher than that. He's massively hypersonic.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Reading the profiles is a good idea.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What exactly you want me to elaborate ,KCM Naruto (nine tails chakra cloak) is mach 234 while Gon is listed as Hypersonic+ which is mach 10 to mach 25 ,in other words Naruto is at least 10 times faster that Gon.

First of all, prove that KCM Naruto is Mach 234.
Second of all, Gon's speed is far higher than that. He's massively hypersonic.

Huh? you are basically questioning a member of the group that is specifically tasked with creating calculations about how fast these 2 characters are? While it is ok to ask questions what proof do you have that places gon at massively hypersonic? Numerous calcs have been made that prove the speed of these 2 characters and from those calcs gon is hypersonic+, nowhere even close to the speed needed to keep up with kcm naruto.

 

[SwordSlayer99]

First of all, prove that KCM Naruto is Mach 234.

Kurama's bijudama was calced at mach 234 in this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RavenSupreme/Hashirama_speed_revision and base Hashirama outsped that bijudama.

During the 4th war the 4 reanimated Hokages traveled to the battlefield and Minato outsped all of the other Hokage and arrived first in his base form. So base Minato is >> base Hashirama who is mach 234+

During the 3rd War base Minato and A the 4th Raikage (Who was a Jounin at this time) fought Minato and was shown to be comparable in speed

And finally during the 4th war KCM Naruto was capable of doing A's attack at full speed when he was a kage (4th War A is even faster than 3rd War A as Kage >>>> Jounin and not to mention the 4th war takes place over a decade after the 3rd)

 

[Ichigo_Freecs]

First of all, prove that KCM Naruto is Mach 234.

Kurama's bijudama was calced at mach 234 in this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RavenSupreme/Hashirama_speed_revision and base Hashirama outsped that bijudama.
During the 4th war the 4 reanimated Hokages traveled to the battlefield and Minato outsped all of the other Hokage and arrived first in his base form. So base Minato is >> base Hashirama who is mach 234+

During the 3rd War base Minato and A the 4th Raikage (Who was a Jounin at this time) fought Minato and was shown to be comparable in speed

And finally during the 4th war KCM Naruto was capable of doing A's attack at full speed when he was a kage (4th War A is even faster than 3rd War A as Kage >>>> Jounin and not to mention the 4th war takes place over a decade after the 3rd)

Didn't Hashirama react to it?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Minato use a jutsu to get to the battlefield? Also travel speed doesn't equate to reactions. :/

Naruto dodged his punch, which makes it a reaction feat. You can't scale his reactions to massively hypersonic anyway, and his combat speed would be hypersonic+.

"Pitou used her Terpsichora to beyond her limits, and Gon still disappeared from her sight and went to the exit gate of the castle before she even knew. Pitou is high hypersonic herself. Go figure. :/

Also she was capable of crossing two kilometers before Kite reacted (given that his reaction was diluted due to the fact he was warning Gon and Killua) with half of her speed. What we were talking about in the paragraph above is her using her Hatsu which greatly enhances all of her stats, most prominently power and speed. She used half of her normal power here.

Also if you want to take calculations here too, then I can provide you with a low end one. If we take the speed of Cheetu, in which his most casual form has a speed of easily Mach 20. Let us say Pitou has the same speed (which is impossible, as she's much faster). To completely appear as if time stopped to someone else, you need to be at the least twenty times faster. 20 x 20 = 400. That's a low-end Mach 400, the speed of Netero's praying sequence. Pitou was still capable of seeing a feint/afterimage of Netero when he was praying, before she was blown away. Pitou here was mid-air and didn't use her Hatsu. Against Gon, she didn't have any disadvantages, and Gon easily disappeared from her sight and reached the door before she even knew."

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

1.Hashirama outspeed it.

2.Hypersonic+ Naruto? Even in Sage Mode Naruto is faster than this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kkapoios/Nagato's_Speed

3.Your "calc" makes no sense ,first you assume a character is mach 20 and then you assume that a faster character is 20 times faster which is either unreasonable use of multipliers or calc stacking.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Minato used Shunshin and those are burst movement speeds which iirc falls under combat speed.

Regardless, methinks we should close this one first and you open a HxH stat check thread where you can get admin to check on the feats you're talking about.

 

[Ichigo_Freecs]

1.Hashirama outspeed it.
2.Hypersonic+ Naruto? Even in Sage Mode Naruto is faster than this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kkapoios/Nagato's_Speed

3.Your "calc" makes no sense ,first you assume a character is mach 20 and then you assume that a faster character is 20 times faster which is either unreasonable use of multipliers or calc stacking.

Don't remember that happening.

So Mach 13 FRS? What about it? If Naruto himself was faster than it, then he would have went there on his own instead of using a FRS. The thing is, he's not faster. Pain dodging it is an another case.

It does make sense. I didn't assume. It was calculated that Cheetu's around Mach 20. Also the minimum requirement to appear as if time stopped to an object is a speed difference of about ~20x. This is definitely not calc-stacking. It's a low-end measurement of Netero's speed. Gon is definitely faster than Netero's praying sequence. So it's even a lower end measurement of Gon's speed.

 

[SwordSlayer99]

"Didn't Hashirama react to it?"

Hashirama outsped the bijudama. Hashirama outsped the bijudama to the point where he was capable of stoping and using a jutsu to redirect the bijudamas trajectory. Here's the chapter http://*********.com/Manga/Naruto/Chapter-621?id=250356.

"Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Minato use a jutsu to get to the battlefield?

The justu that Minato used to get there (The Shunshin) is a short burst movement of speed which qualifys as combat speed.

"Also travel speed doesn't equate to reactions. :/"

I never said that it did. Minato didn't travel to the battlefield using travel speed, as the shunshin applies to combat speed. Minato's combat speed is > his travel speed.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

@Ichigo Freecs So you say that Naruto who was outspeeding a mach 43 character isn't even mach 13.

If you want to upgrade Gon's speed you are free to make a forum thread ,but we don't accept this kind of logic so....

Anyway i'm closing this thread since it's almost a stomp and not many people are interested in it

@SwordSlayer99 do you want to add anything before i close this?