Additional hax Misha and Sasha

[Yzak]

Misha
1. Conceptual manipulation type 1 (with the Moon of Creation <Artieltonoa>. The Militia Order is the order that existed before the world and still exists even though the world is destroyed)


Sasha
1. Conceptual manipulation type 1 (with the sun of destruction <Sargeldonave>)

Because of Sasha
& misha have got their identity as god, they must also get god power:

1.Abstrack existence type 1
2.High Godly regeneration

And Added immortality of god
-Imortality type 7 (God does not live)

 

[Everything12]

That's not Type 7, Type 7 is Undead; like zombies and all that.

 

[Delta333]

Agree with this,immortality via not being alive is only type 7

 

[Catzlaflame]

translations would be nice

the immortality seems more like type 5 and it would probably be “possibly”

 

[Yzak]

are "non-living" beings not undead?

Then what about the others?

 

[Everything12]

7: Undead: Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality.

You have to already be dead for Type 7.

 

[Delta333]

You have to already be dead for Type 7.

Gods don't have life

 

[Everything12]

Yes, but that doesn't mean they are dead or have died, which is needed for Type 7.

 

[Yzak]

but aren't "non-living" creatures the same as undead

 

[Everything12]

Nope, an Undead being is one that has died but still continues moving.

 

[Yzak]

Isn't "non-living" the same as death? Gods are "non-living" and they also move

 

[Everything12]

Nope, death is after life.

 

[deonment]

(with the Moon of Creation <Artieltonoa>. The Militia Order is the order that existed before the world and still exists even though the world is destroyed)

could you link the thing in imgur please, I am not going to be digging through this to find it nor can I actually read it, since I cant speak jap

 

[Yzak]

Nope.

Why?

 

[deonment]

Why?

because you need to be undead, being non-living is not undead

 

[Catzlaflame]

Just try arguing type 5, that sounds more reasonable tbh

 

[Yzak]

could you link the thing in imgur please, I am not going to be digging through this to find it nor can I actually read it, since I cant speak jap

I'm too lazy for that. You can use mtl or you can also view scan in cm1 thread

 

[Yzak]

cm1 thread

Maou gakuin

 

[Yzak]

because you need to be undead, being non-living is not undead

the undead are also not alive.
not alive = dead

 

[deonment]

the undead are also not alive.
not alive = dead

yes, undead are dead=/=other things that are not alive are them

 

[Yzak]

Just try arguing type 5, that sounds more reasonable tbh

why do you think so?

 

[Yzak]

yes, undead are dead=/=other things that are not alive are

undead=dead right?
not alive = dead.
does that creature have to be killed and die in order to become undead?

 

[Everything12]

Well it doesn't have to be killed, because it could have died from natural causes or the like, but yeah. You have to have died to be Undead and gain Type 7, not being alive does not meet the requirements. Its like how a Robot isn't alive but we don't give them Type 7.

 

[Delta333]

If this is not type 7,can you give a type for it?

 

[Catzlaflame]

not alive = dead.

But the scan doesn’t say he’s not alive. It says gods lack life to begin with, type 7 is HAVING LIFE, dying THEN still being able to move around like normal and stuff”

lacking life to begin with, is more like type 5 immortality:

“Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death,”

 

[Faruel1998]

If this is not type 7,can you give a type for it?

A weaker form of Type 5, not being alive is a form of being unbound by the laws of life and death.

 

[deonment]

But the scan doesn’t say he’s not alive. It says he lacks life to begin with, type 7 is HAVING LIFE, dying THEN still being able to move around like normal and stuff”

robots are also not alive but they don't have type 7

 

[Yzak]

Its like how a Robot isn't alive but we don't give them Type

You can't equate gods with robots because robots are not living things

 

[Delta333]

ok type 5 then,it's better tbh

 

[Catzlaflame]

robots are also not alive but they don't have type 7

Yes. How does that contradict what I said.

 

[Yzak]

Oke

 

[InfiniteCosmology]

because you need to be undead, being non-living is not undead

Is Yogiri an Undead?

Nope, an Undead being is one that has died but still continues moving.

 

[Everything12]

No and that should be fixed.

 

[Dereck03]

Well, since the order of creation and destruction were accepted as type 1 previously and Sasha and misha can use them I'm fine with Cm type 1, also the rest seems fine, but I disagree with Immortality 7

 

[imZer0Null]

Misha
1. Conceptual manipulation type 1 (with the Moon of Creation <Artieltonoa>. The Militia Order is the order that existed before the world and still exists even though the world is destroyed)

Sasha
1. Conceptual manipulation type 1 (with the sun of destruction <Sargeldonave>)

This seems fine.
It should be law & concept manip tho, since order = laws and concepts.

1.Abstrack existence type 1
2.High Godly regeneration

Disagree.
Misha and Sasha are no longer gods. They can simply utilise their past lives' powers.

And Added immortality of god
-Imortality type 7 (God does not live)

Disagree. This was a figure of speech. Gods do not literally "not live".

 

[Yzak]

Disagree.
Misha and Sasha are no longer gods

I understand

but I disagree with Immortality 7

Disagree.

Then what about the type 5 immortality that people are proposing?

oh and also i think the source of the destroying spell<bebesd> might get another hax like
-Npi
-Existence Erase(?)

 

[imZer0Null]

Then what about the type 5 immortality that people are proposing?

This was a figure of speech. Gods do not literally "not live".

oh and also i think the source of the destroying spell <Bebesd> might get another hax like
-Npi
-Existence Erase(?)

I think concept manip for <Bebesd> is enough.
It only has feats of interacting with the source (concept) iirc, and that level of NPI is already included with normal concept manip as far as I know, so it seems redundant to add NPI.
It has no direct existence erasure feats like Venuzdonoa, and only erases the target when it destroys their source (concept), so it doesn't qualify for existence erasure.

 

[Yzak]

That's understandable. It seems that only Cm Sasha & Misha are accepted here

 

[God900]

I agree with this

 

[Dereck03]

Only Sasha and misha will get Law & Cm Type 1 with their orders so yeah