Okay then Smasher gets that as a plus for him then
If we base it off the game, the Sandevistan lasts for 8 seconds but not sure if its the same in the anime or the tabletop. Also, you say range advantage but Optimus has around the same range for his guns, technically higher as the only one that works from kilometers away is the railgun while all of Optimus' work at 2 kilometers. Plus he doesn't even have the railgun in this key.
That would be a fine strategy considering it's shown to work against cybertronians in the movies but the main problem I see with that is whether or not he'll be able to do that and get a killing blow before he's turned into swiss cheese. You say it has the potential to instakill but I'm not too sure about that considering it is still nearly 6x weaker than Optimus and even if its in a weak point like his joints, the best I can see Smasher getting is like his leg, especially considering Optimus is well over 2x his height. At that point, once the Sandevistan runs out, Optimus still has a chance to either shoot him or just slam him into the ground.
I never said a single hit but also I think you're under the impression that Adam is going to start off playing tactically when we never really see that demonstrated. The guy would probably rush up to Optimus to try and hit him or try and shoot him and that also gives Optimus plenty of time to do the same, especially in melee considering he has higher melee range than him. Smasher's never really shown himself to dodge attacks, usually just tanking them so I could see Optimus getting in the first few hits which would be incredibly detrimental. Also, it's still a nearly 6x difference. While it won't be a one shot it's going to be crippling, especially if it hits him dead on.
I'm sorry, but I mainly meant that he has an advantage in range thanks to his greater variety of firearms (In this case, he would theoretically have a greater advantage in a range battle because of this). Just in his body there are several weapons. And as far as I can see, Adam seems a better shot naturally, along with possessing an amplifier that increases his speed by 10 times
You could elaborate exactly how this would happen, how Priem would hit such an easy attack. Since Adam has the advantage in agility and size (A small size makes it theoretically harder to hit), plus he has the Sandevistan to amplify his speed by up to 10 times. Adam is not a dumb child who will not understand the magnitude of his opponent. Even when the opponent is notably inferior to him, he still uses Sandevistan to dodge the attacks, as showed in the "battle" against David.
Well, a missile exploding inside something thin is going to do massive damage no matter what. I mean, it's not like he can put only one explosive in, nothing is stopping Adam from putting a lot more
He has missiles.
Well, this is mainly thanks to the fact that basically everyone is nothing compared to him in Cyberpunk. But it is undeniable that Adam is skilled, since he has worked as an hitman for a lot of time and in the military, as much as being considered a legend by anyone who knows his name. If Adam were to meet someone massively stronger than him, I don't see how exactly he couldn't try some basic strategy. Like, come on, he is not a stupid child
Counted ig
I mean, not really. He has his HMG, missiles, and his arm cannon, all of which won't do much to Optimus while Optimus has his two cannons. It's not exactly like having a gun and missiles is going to give him a range advantage when those weapons aren't going to do much in the long run. Plus, Optimus' shot smaller targets than Smasher before, hitting humans during the 4th movie
He used the Sandevistan against David because he knew that was the only way to keep up with him while David was using the Sandevistan. During the fight with V the guy never pulls it from what I've seen no matter how much V damages him. Also, it's not like Optimus hasn't shot smaller targets before, like I said, he killed a few humans in the 4th movie.
Again, that's assuming he manages to jam it in there without it even exploding beforehand just from him grabbing it and trying to jam it in. Also you say massive damage, I'd like to reiterate near 6x dura difference compared to the AP of that missile. It's not going to do as much damage as you think and especially not as much as to cripple him. Multiple missiles could but they're all firing out incredibly slowly as shown when he fires one at David. By the time he gets like 1, maybe 2, the Sandevistan is down and Optimus has a chance to retaliate. This is all assuming he thinks of doing this which, we don't even know if he will he's never shown himself to be a strategist. Yes he has combat experience but will he actually think to specifically use Sandevistan, run up to Optimus, pull a few missiles out, then try and jam them into his leg.
I'm not saying the guy isn't skilled but he isn't going to start off tactically. He's never shown himself to do that and he's more likely to just try and go in for the kill first which gives Optimus enough time to do the same and do far more damage than any of Smasher's guns or missiles can.
Ngl this kinda most definitely a bad example to use especially considering there are still major updates confirmed to be happening with some insights given and one big one since Edgerunners released is the Adam Smasher boss fight where he's sorta just a punching bag because of bad A.I. it's been one of the most noted things about his fight since the anime dropped so much so that it's not uncommon to see memes about how bad the A.I. for his fight is
Honestly fair enough. His boss fight prob isn't the best to go off of since yeah, like you said, it's really bad lol. But still, we haven't seen much evidence of him actually pulling out the Sandevistan since it was only a recent addition in Edgerunner. Only times he uses it is when David activates it and I'd assume it's just so he can keep up with him. That isn't really a problem here since speed is equalized so honestly not really sure.
I never brought up the jetpack and stuff because that brings him 8-A+ AP which gives him 550 tons to scale to which is a 7.42794626388x difference, just shy of one shot range. I assumed we were going to keep this to his 2007 to RotF equipment, mainly because it's the most fair overall since if he has his DotM equipment, he gets a forcefield and the jetpack, the forcefield in particular has the same 7.4x difference compared to Smasher and it covers his whole body so the Sandevistan missile strategy wouldn't even work
He'd no doubt no-sell individual strikes from Adam Smasher since he heavily upscales from the value that is already superior to Adam Smasher. But wouldn't it be safe to assume that in a 47 second timeframe where he has a blitzing speed advantage that he'd be able to land many many many attacks that'd cause damage to build up pretty quick (Especially if he plants explosives or something on him)?
Optimus got beat down from three opponents roughly comparable in attack potency to him for just as long and Optimus still managed to curbstomp all three of them at once after he lost his shit. Build-up of damage isn't going to be enough to stop someone of Optimus's caliber.
Fair enough. I thought it'd be a bit different here since Adam would be so much faster that he could land like, hundreds, if not thousands of attacks (or more) on Optimus uninterrupted as opposed to like dozens like it would be if it were three opponents beating on him for comparable time. Especially if Adam can use Sandevistan several times consecutively like in the anime.
Yes though grace has ended
does it refer to the 24 hour period?
Yep yep
it's because when i went to see their profiles, this thread wasn't added to their profiles so i thought it's not over lol
For whom? Smashers was pretty solid and recalculated by me somewhat then fully redone by @KLOL506 so it's definitely been theough the works also this should be added to the relevant profiles and closed
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