Acnologia revisions

[Theglassman12]

So I just checked through Acnologia's page and I think there's some changes that should be made regarding his ability placements. What I mean by that is that his abilities:

Time Magic

Space-time manipulation

BFR

should be separated from his 6-C tier because these abilities has only been shown after he absorbed the Ravines of time, and not during his normal human form.

An ability that I believe he shouldn't have is his Soul Manipulation, or at least be a viable ability for vs matches. The reason why is that some time ago, I made a thread regarding the Fire drago in Fire Emblem 7, and I proposed that it should have some sort of soul manipulation ability since one of the dragons in FE 6 stated that he and his comrades destroyed someone's soul, but Reppuzan stated in that thread that we don't know how they did it, or what method they did to destroy the person's soul. The same can be said with Acnologia since the dragons in the end of the Tartaros Arc did say their souls were torn out of their body, but it's never shown how he did it.

Also one more minor thing to change is the name of his High 6-C tier to be human post ravines of time Absorption since it has both human and dragon in the name while his High 6-B tier already has his dragon form in a separate tier.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that placing Time Magic, Space-time manipulation, and BFR in a separate statistics column should be fine, and maybe soul manipulation should simply be replaced with soul absorption?

 

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For Acnologia it's clearly said how he did it. With his dragon slaying magic. It doesn't show the exact process, but it's obvious that his magic simply damages both their body and soul when it attacks them and that's it.

In case of fire emblem they likely don't have any explanation to how they did such a thing.

Also, I am fine with everything else.

 

[GalaxianAegis]

The changes look good to me.

 

[Dark649]

Acnologia has four forms:

Base] At least 6-C. [Casually killed God Serena and superior to Dragon Irene]

Dragon] At least High 6-C, likely higher. [Superior to Fairy Heart Zeref and fought with Igneel]

Post Ravine Base] At least High 6-C, likely higher. [Comparable to his dragon form, but weaker than Seven Flame Natsu]

Post Ravine Dragon] High 6-B. [Far superior to Seven Flame Natsu and qqual if not superior to Etherion]

 

[Blanked]

I think he refers on the fact that the dragon and human (rot absorbed) are not two separated keys visibly at least.

You have dragon\human post absorption of ROT instead of Dragon| human post absorption of ROT.

 

[Theglassman12]

For Acnologia it's clearly said how he did it. With his dragon slaying magic. It doesn't show the exact process, but it's obvious that his magic simply damages both their body and soul when it attacks them and that's it.
In case of fire emblem they likely don't have any explanation to how they did such a thing.

Also, I am fine with everything else.

But the process of how he did it isn't explained, whether it's like Shang Tsung's soul manipulation, or a long excruciating process/ritual that takes time.

 

[Blanked]

It obviously isn't a ritual that takes time. Acnologia cares 0 about dragons and only wants to annihilate them. Thinking that he would waste time on them is ridiculous.

Also, you are nitpicking right now, Ancologia attacks with his dragon slaying magic that rips dragons souls and that's it. The fire emblem is an entirely different thing.

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok, do we need more input, or should we do the changes right now?

 

[Blanked]

Ok, do we need more input, or should we do the changes right now?

We need someone to open the profile, if you think you can handle it than ok, if not i could do it, but later as i am on my phone now and I wouldn't be able to edit.

 

[Theglassman12]

I don't think I can do it mostly because I don't know how to add the straight line that separates the tiers.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think Dark649?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Question. Do we treat Acno's soul manipulation as useful on beings other than dragons?

 

[Blanked]

Question. Do we treat Acno's soul manipulation as useful on beings other than dragons?

Of course not. It's clearly said only dragons.

 

[Antvasima]

No, it seems inappropriate without proof.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Mkay. Just wanted to know.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Theglassman12]

So should we edit his profile now?

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait for Dark649 to reply first.

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok

 

[Dark649]

I agree with the edits.

 

[Blanked]

I am on my phone now so, I can't really do anything until tomorrow unless someone else can perform the edits now, i will be able to do it tomorrow morning(for my timeline).

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. Feel free to perform the edits then.

 

[ZERO7772]

Seems fine

 

[ZERO7772]

Acnologia has four forms:
Base] At least 6-C. [Casually killed God Serena and superior to Dragon Irene]

Dragon] At least High 6-C, likely higher. [Superior to Fairy Heart Zeref and fought with Igneel]

Post Ravine Base] At least High 6-C, likely higher. [Comparable to his dragon form, but weaker than Seven Flame Natsu]

Post Ravine Dragon] High 6-B. [Far superior to Seven Flame Natsu and qqual if not superior to Etherion]

How he's base is Comparable to his dragon form but weaker than natsu then his dragon form is far superior ? No one scale to dragon acno because you had all of the freaking continent ganging up on him

 

[Dark649]

Read again, I did specified that Post Ravine Base Acnologia is comparable to Pre Ravine Dragon Acnologia, Post Ravine Dragon Acnologia is superior to anyone else.

 

[Blanked]

Human form weaker than seven flame Natsu?

I am pretty sure we agreed that was a complete outlier since Acnologia stomped the 7 dragons slayers so it's impossible that in their weakened (almost dead)state they gave enough power to Natsu to beat Acnologia who previously tanked their combined attacks with a single finger.

 

[Blanked]

There is also the fact seven flame Natsu clearly said he can't win against Acnologia and when he later one shot Acnologia was completely immobilised.

 

[ZERO7772]

It's the power of fusion my man ~

but yes i agree with William, Acno stomped them easily when they were powered up by wendy's magic and when they gave him the power they were half dead already, no reason why natsu should beat acno even if the DS were all at full power

 

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http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c544/13.html

Power of fusion clearly says I can't win so no.

 

[ZERO7772]

It's the power of nakama then

 

[Blanked]

It's the power of nakama then

No it's the power of "I haven't planned the ending of FT" Hiro Mashima is the biggest dissapointemnt of a mangaka in 2017. You can't create a show that has millions of fans and than screw up the most important battles with "improvising".

Thou, that's not to talk about here I guess.

 

[Dark649]

I hope the Anime will extend the fight with Zeref and Acnologia instead of the one pis friendship punch from Natsu.

 

[Blanked]

Well, the anime has extended many fights so the hope for that remains.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that the idea was that Acnologia was weakened from being immobilised by all of the magic users in the continent combined.

 

[Theglassman12]

I think that the idea was that Acnologia was weakened from being immobilised by all of the magic users in the continent combined.

It's still an asspull since Meredy has never shown connecting people in the entire continent as short time, Lucy learning a high level spell by just readling a book, and Acnologia being affected when it's stated that magic doesn't affect him.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Fairy Tail creator seems like a really nice guy, who has helped disaster-struck children and the like, but he is not the best writer. Plot holes are rather common.

 

[Blanked]

Plot holes in FT are not that common. It's people that overdo it.

Meredy can connect as many people as she abates as it doesn't cost magical energy and the only reason she never did it is because why in the world would she ever bother connecting a continet worth of person in the first place? And Meredy was helped by Mest who uses teleportaion to bring her to each and every person she also can just put one link and than instantly connect several other persons that the first person she put the link on cares about.

Example: put a link on Mirajane and she can instantly do the same for Elfman and Lisanna without even having to get in contact with them

Fairy Sphere is not a high level spell because it's has tons of requirements in order to be cast its actually "simple" like Fairy glitter as it requires "perfect" magic control and since Lucy is a celestial spirit Mage, magic control is the very basic of her abilties. Lucy also has photographic memory so everything she read about Fairy Sphere's activation she install remembered. Combine that with her magic control and problem is solved.

Acnologia is a plot hole character at this point, because there is so many inconcsitencies about him and I am not even talking about his magical resistance.

That said if you can unlock his profile I will perform the edits.

 

[ZERO7772]

It not the plot that sucks as much of the fight, for shonen battle manga the fights are really really disappointing, no characters development, the villian doesn't feel threatening, so much ass pull and everything else

This is the wrong place to complain about it tho

 

[Blanked]

Acnologia doesn't feel threating? Well, since we know he will get nakama punched I guess that's true.