About Wolverines Claws

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Why do we treat Wolverines Claws as Durability Negation? I thought we scaled adamantium to Ultron's durability feats? If this is true, then shouldn't his AP with his claws top out at Solar System level?

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah I agree here

 

[Newendigo]

If this is true, then shouldn't his AP with his claws top out at Solar System level?

That is a little bit exagerated thought.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Closer to say they can ignore durability up to Solar System level

Not quite in the spirit of dura ignoring, but it's Marvel scaling

 

[Golden_Void]

It's just the hardness that allows him to puncture such strong enemies, not AP.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

But having durability negation with for his claws gives the impression that his claws can cut through everything, which would give a lot of people the wrong idea.

Wouldn't it be better to have a note like: 9-B physically but his claws can pierce foes with Solar System level durability?

He physically scales to the likes of Captain America and Deadpool, and his claws have consistently pierced through the Hulk's flesh, and I'm pretty sure he even pierced the likes of The Thing and Gladiator.

Think of it like how we treat characters who rely on guns, we give them like human level AP normally, but with guns, we give them street level AP.

 

[Newendigo]

Maybe something like this?

"Tier: At least 9-C, 4-B with adamantion claws"

it seems reasonable.

Edit: I will ask Matthew

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

That implies his claws can oneshot any High 4-C and below.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

^

Exactly. The claws can't one-shot High 4-Cs, but they can pierce the body of a 4-B. It's not quite the same thing.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

But doesn't the current durability negation kinda already imply that? Cause right now it seems like he can cut through because it's admantium, even though his highest showwings are against 4-B opponents.

Perhaps we should specify that it's 4-B piercing power? Isn't there a few profiles hat have that specific note?

 

[Newendigo]

Like this one?

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I was thinking of something more like this

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Matthew. However, "Durability negation for up to Solar System level opponents" might work.

 

[Newendigo]

it could work very well.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will add the sentence to his profile.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Can his claws go through magical barriers for example? There are characters whose durability scales from those.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know, but I vaguely recall that force fields have been harder for him to cut.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

I don't know much about Wolverine, but if he has trouble against those kinds of things, it should be noted.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Considering the sheer amount of comics out there, I wouldn't doubt if they can go through magical barriers cause "lol adamantium".

 

[Muuuuh]

I think hes not solar system, he cant cut Sentry: [[1]]

If have other comics that he cut him sorry.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That's because it's The Sentry. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys like Thor.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, he is likely stronger than Thor, but not overwhelmingly so nowadays.

Anyway, Wolverine was not shown to fail to cut Sentry in that scan.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

So what are we thinking for Logan's claws?

 

[Muuuuh]

That's because it's The Sentry. He is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys like Thor.

But he still have solar system durability?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

But on a much higher scale

 

[Antvasima]

According to Marvel editorial's "top 10 strongest heroes" Youtube video, Tom Brevoort & company somehow think that The Thing is stronger than The Sentry.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That makes 0 sense to even the most basic understanding.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, The Thing failed to even budge The Sentry in the slightest.

 

[Antvasima]

Here:

https://youtu.be/lBloNZwhZFQ

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Honestly that was likely never intended as a serious video and more of a publicity thing. Even Capcom UK's Top 5 Strongest Street Fighters tries to go in-depth.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I have an extremely low opinion of Tom Brevoort and his sense of judgement after repeatedly treating me horribly, along with Marvel's ideological policies, so I am not so sure that it was not intended to be taken seriously, despite being idiotic.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"Thor can't punch 100s of times in a minute because that'd be a feat of superhuman speed." - Tom Brevoort

... Despite there being humans who can do that.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I consider his sense of judgement terrible.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I like how several of the characters on this list were Hulk related.

"Hulk is the strongest there is" amiright?

 

[RadicalMrR]

I agree with making Wolverine 4-B with his claws. The reason he cant one shot 4-Bs is an AoE fallacy.

If we say a bug smaller then his claws has 4-B durability, Wolverine can one shot it just fine. Guys like Hulk on the other hand are way to big for his small "damage radius" so he cant one shot them.

 

[Huesito88]

Yep I agree with radical

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I agree with Rad as well.

 

[Golden_Void]

Well then should that scale to anyone who can weaponize adamantium or stronger materials? Cap's shield is stronger than Wolverine's claws, even though Logan is stronger, Cap can still weaponize a much stronger object.

This would also scale to X-23, Black Panther has anti-metal claws that can destroy adamantium, etc. then? Though I assume this would only count for the Marvel verse. There are OV characters that can use/destroy adamantium.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Rad's reasoning makes sense

 

[Antvasima]

The profile currently states that it has durability negation up to Solar System level. I think that summarises Wolverine's abilities reasonably well.