About Amala Network and what it is in terms of dimension, as well as Kagutsuchi's function and tier

[Jaakuace44]

!!! NOTE: THIS IS NOT A CRT FOR A REASON. I AM UNSURE IF THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE, AND SO I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN REQUESTING ONE !!!

Kagutsuchi is listed as at least 2-A. His death led to the Amala Network and the possibly infinite number of universes in it being destroyed.
In the past, I've seen each universe described as a 4-D construct, lined up along a 5-D axis. Points along a line, basically.

Would the Network itself count as this 5-D axis? If so, wouldn't Kagutsuchi need to be either on the same dimensional level or above to actually maintain the Network, or even oversee it? The Network's existence, I would imagine, is dependent on his to degree. In that case, wouldn't his death be High 2-A? If not, then why?


If the Amala Network isn't the 5-D axis itself, then what is?

 

[Elizhaa]

Overseeing something is not enough for a higher D rating. Polaris is an example of this. To prove transcendence, it does need to state as with Canopus's transcendence: Exists even beyond the Devil Survivor 2 Multiverse.

 

[Jaakuace44]

Fair enough. That makes sense.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Even Canopus currently has a good chance of being knocked down to 2-A with our current rules.

 

[Elizhaa]

Even Canopus currently has a good chance of being knocked down to 2-A with our current rules.

I don't think it is the case since Canopus exist beyond Akasha Starnum which is 4-D at 2-A where Polaris is At least 2-A. He exist is beyond all of it, hence High 2-A rating.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Existing beyond and above isn't counted as valid reasoning IIRC, hence why Madoka Kaname is still 2-A IIRC

 

[Elizhaa]

Existing beyond and above isn't counted as valid reasoning IIRC, hence why Madoka Kaname is still 2-A IIRC

I think from her 3-D form

 

[Yobo_Blue]

No, she exists above the multiverse IIRC

 

[Elizhaa]

No, she exists above the multiverse IIRC

She exists on a conceptual level. higher level of existence to become a conceptual entity. In the past Type 9 which used this to mean this as change to abstract existence Type 1.

Only one text has beyond:

The Law of Cycles encompasses the infinite multiverse as well as the nonexistent multiverse beyond it. Has shown to be o par with Ultimate Kriemhild Gretche

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Pretty sure that's not all there is to it, but the general idea is simply existing above something isn't evidence

 

[Elizhaa]

Pretty sure that's not all there is to it, but the general idea is simply existing above something isn't evidence

The higher plane referred she exist is as a concept in the scan. That's all to it, regarding Madoka's case.

 

[Jaakuace44]

That still doesn't answer the main question: Is the Amala Network the 5-D axis itself?

 

[Elizhaa]

That still doesn't answer my question: Is the Amala Network the 5-D axis itself?

Well, Jaakuace44, I answered your question.

 

[Kaltias]

Madoka is a weird case, and the fact that the writers like to play with all the paradoxes caused by her status as an abstract doesn't help.

Regardless, it's kinda hard to judge Canopus' tier based on two lines, does more context exist?

About the OP, the reason why it's "at least 2-A" is because 0 (5-D volume of an infinite multiverse) x infinite is indeterminate

 

[Jaakuace44]

No, you answered question about Kagutsuchi overseeing the Amala Network. If it's a 5-D axis, and its existence is dependent on Kagutsuchi, that would mean his destruction resulted in the collapse of a 5-D contstruct.

 

[Elizhaa]

Regardless, it's kinda hard to judge Canopus' tier based on two lines, does more context exist?

More context, He's 5-D because there are actually the higher dimensions in DeSu 2. Akasha Stratum exist above other universes and view them as nothing more than the data that recorded in Akashic Record, and Providence, the dimension where Canopus and his factors reside, is even exist above Akasha Stratum. The scans in his page is just a way to tell that how high is the Providence. That said, Providence is 5-D level dimension because it's exist above entire Devil Survivor 2 multiverse

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Regardless, it's kinda hard to judge Canopus' tier based on two lines, does more context exist?

I don't believe so.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

More context, He's 5-D because there are actually the higher dimensions in DeSu 2. Akasha Stratum exist above other universes and view them as nothing more than the data that recorded in Akashic Record, and Providence, the dimension where Canopus and his factors reside, is even exist above Akasha Stratum. The scans in his page is just a way to tell that how high is the Providence. That said, Providence is 5-D level dimension because it's exist above entire Devil Survivor 2 multiverse

I don't recall Akasha ever being called higher D, or Canopus for that matter.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Higher dimensions aren't really mentioned in the plot, tbh.

 

[Elizhaa]

No, you answered question about Kagutsuchi overseeing the Amala Network. If it's a 5-D axis, and its existence is dependent on Kagutsuchi, that would mean his destruction resulted in the collapse of a 5-D contstruct.

Does he have a 5-D statement?

If not the 5-D axis is not a valid standpoint, even we human being exist on a 5-D plane (if it exists) though we are especially flat there.

 

[Jaakuace44]

I don't believe he has any explicit 5-D statements, no.
That'll about do it, then.

 

[Elizhaa]

More context, He's 5-D because there are actually the higher dimensions in DeSu 2. Akasha Stratum exist above other universes and view them as nothing more than the data that recorded in Akashic Record, and Providence, the dimension where Canopus and his factors reside, is even exist above Akasha Stratum. The scans in his page is just a way to tell that how high is the Providence. That said, Providence is 5-D level dimension because it's exist above entire Devil Survivor 2 multiverse

I don't recall Akasha ever being called higher D, or Canopus for that matter.
Akasha is 4-D from Administrators like Polaris. It gives Admins their powers and Canopus created the entire system viewed it as data.

 

[Elizhaa]

I don't believe he has any explicit 5-D statements, no.
That'll about do it, then.

I guess that is that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah, but that's because Canopus is a living computer in a world entirely made of data, even to Polaris. By that logic Polaris is High 2-A

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah, but that's because Canopus is a living computer in a world entirely made of data, even to Polaris. By that logic Polaris is High 2-A

Yeah

 

[Jaakuace44]

https://imgur.com/a/WISZ8cP

Something that will maybe clear up any confusion about the Amala 'Universe.'

Think of each dot contained in each square as a 4-D point, and the connecting line as the 5-D axis.

Also an extra image to show that Kagutsuchi can rise at any of these points at once.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am neutral on this point. You should contact Ultima again

 

[Jaakuace44]

It's more for people who are new to these sorts of discussions and don't understand anything about the Amala Network. Not really trying to make a point so much as provide something that would better illustrate what it actually is.

 

[Jaakuace44]

Ultima Reality, are the images I provided any good in illustrating what Amala actually is?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Seems fine? I am fairly sure that is something which logically applies to any series with a Multiverse (One composed of separate space-time continuums of course)

 

[Jaakuace44]

A spiral's just a line curving around a single point and spreading outward infinitely, right?

I guess that would make sense, considering there's supposed to be infinite universes.