Ability Proposal: De-Evolution?

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

My bad if the Q&A board isnt the right place for this, but I figured it was better to ask this as a question rather than make an outright proposal. Anyway, I might have a possible ability thats worth adding to the wikia.

Could we possibly add De-Evolution?

The Purpose of The Ability​

The name could be different, like "Non-Evolution" instead, but im sure you guys get the point. The ability "De-Evolution" would be the ability to de-transform characters who are using a certain transformation, power-up or mode, bringing them back to their base form to weaken them in battle. Or going beyond that to weaken them even further, depending on how its used and how good the effect of it is.

I thought of this ability due to what Apocalymon from Digimon does. In his case, he was able to de-digivolve Digimon back into their base states and even less than that when battling against the Digidestined so he could weaken them. Normally, this would seem to be an ability that would be unique to only Apocalymon, but more or less, there are other verses I know and see that have done De-Transformation in some fashion that wasn't just smacking them into oblivion to knock them out of their forms.

So I figured this could be something worth discussing as a possible ability addition.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I'd support just a general ability for Evolution Manipulation honestly, but it might just be decided as unnecessary for being a subset of Biological Manipulation.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

a while ago I asked about this, the answer was one that is Sub-Power of manipulation Time/Biological/Causality

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

a while ago I asked about this, the answer was one that is Sub-Power of manipulation Time/Biological/Causality

Wait why Causality?

 

[Antoniofer]

Regressing stuff back to its former state is associated to Biological Manipulation (if it involves devolution) or Time Manipulation; alternatively, it could be Power Negation if it cancels out transformations.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Disagree. Verses usually treat it under one of our already existing powers (Stats reduction in Konosuba, Power stealing in Miitopia, etc...)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Wait why Causality?

I think it was because they reversed the effect, so it never happened, although I would need more context for the latter, but I don't remember much of the thread.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Disagree. Verses usually treat it under one of our already existing powers (Stats reduction in Konosuba, Power stealing in Miitopia, etc...)

Reducing stats doesnt usually end the transformation though, and we have pages for abilities here that are already sub powers for other abilities. Like EE and Void Manipulation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I think it was because they reversed the effect, so it never happened, although I would need more context for the latter, but I don't remember much of the thread.

I see. Well this would be treated on a case by case basis since not every case is the same when it comes to ending a form or transformation.

 

[Ionliosite]

I also disagree with this because of Antoniofer and YuriAkuto's reasons, besides, even Apocalymon's example is strongly linked to in-verse mechanics, so it should just be treated as the feats it showed (which were Age Manip + Transformation Negation iirc).

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Transformatio Negations a much better word for this lol, but okay if everyone seems to think it isnt neccessary.

So lets say a transformation makes a younger person appear older in some way, and someone can come de-transform them back into their original selves. That would also count as Age Manip + Limited Negation?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Bump

 

[Antoniofer]

If a transformation makes you look older, and then there's a power that revert that transformation, then is not Age Manipulation, as it's just aesthetic. Reverting transformations would be akin to Power Negation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Okay. What about say merging?

As in a younger characters transformation is merging with an older being and they become older themselves as that being? Take this for example:


This kid possesses a swordsman/Paladin and he takes on an older look as him.

 

[QuasiYuri]

It's just the fusion having this look.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah but while as the fusion, why wouldn’t he be older than he otherwise?

 

[QuasiYuri]

It's just one of the aesthetic thing of every transformation/fusion: Gon in his adult form, Gogeta/Vegeto, etc...

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

To be fair, Goku and Vegeta are already adults so its no surprise the fusions are the same age as them. And forgive me since I have 0 knowledge on HxH at all but does Gon not become older in his "adult" form?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Well his look and all are definitely older than that of a 14 years old. While I'm not an HxH expert iirc he "forcefully mature himself" or something like this.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Well his look and all are definitely older than that of a 14 years old. While I'm not an HxH expert iirc he "forcefully mature himself" or something like this.

Okay, fair enough.

So just so I get the correct consensus from this, reverting transformations/forms/evolutions, etc. would be a form of power null then? As Antonfier said above?