A void and something about all potentialities tiering question

[TheUnshakableOne]

Simply put I'm just curious what tier this cosmology is

Here is the rundown on it

1.) This Void is the ultimate reality.

2.) It shapes all reality including all universes in the multiverse

3.) To actually view this ultimate reality. You need to achieve a state of being that transcends the time as well as space, go beyond the universe, and some higher dimensional membrane that isn't well elaborated. Once then you can see it

4.) This Void, ultimate reality, is also the Primordial chaos that created everything

5.) Its states to exist as an indifferentiated state that carries the ability to create all potentialities

6.) By Void, I mean a state of nothingness. The Ultimate reality is that all things at the most fundamental level even more fundamental than concepts are empty and nothing at all. Nothing actually exist.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Looks like 1-A.

 

[Secimatar]

1-A looks good

 

[Compsito]

If that void eclipses the universes in the sense of being vaster than them, well, 1A is doing quite well.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Simply put I'm just curious what tier this cosmology is

Here is the rundown on it

1.) This Void is the ultimate reality.

2.) It shapes all reality including all universes in the multiverse

3.) To actually view this ultimate reality. You need to achieve a state of being that transcends the time as well as space, go beyond the universe, and some higher dimensional membrane that isn't well elaborated. Once then you can see it

4.) This Void, ultimate reality, is also the Primordial chaos that created everything

5.) Its states to exist as an indifferentiated state that carries the ability to create all potentialities

6.) By Void, I mean a state of nothingness. The Ultimate reality is that all things at the most fundamental level even more fundamental than concepts are empty and nothing at all. Nothing actually exist.

Would be minimum 1-A, but if point 3 and the state of "being that transcends time and space, beyond the universe etc" is elaborated upon, it may reach even higher.
Additionally, if the cosmology has some sort of R>F, even if its not a 1-A>Non 1-A kind[because it can be a lower level too, for example, something that is fiction to the baseline non 1-A reality yet still exists in its own sense inside the verse], it can also go higher than just 1-A.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Would be minimum 1-A, but if point 3 and the state of "being that transcends time and space, beyond the universe etc" is elaborated upon, it may reach even higher.
Additionally, if the cosmology has some sort of R>F, even if its not a 1-A>Non 1-A kind[because it can be a lower level too, for example, something that is fiction to the baseline non 1-A reality yet still exists in its own sense inside the verse], it can also go higher than just 1-A.

Rephrase that please?

I think I misunderstood what your trying to say

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Rephrase that please?

I think I misunderstood what your trying to say

First things first, it would be 1-A.

Second off, it could be higher than 1-A depending on if this thing[the bolded parts] as some more context:

3.) To actually view this ultimate reality. You need to achieve a state of being that transcends the time as well as space, go beyond the universe, and some higher dimensional membrane that isn't well elaborated. Once then you can see it

For example:
A way of "viewing" something is to become one with it.
A way to "achieve" a state of nothingness is by being reduced to nothingness yourself.
"Transcends", when taken as a qualitative transcendence, can also very well be the lack of space-time[which comes by one's nature of being beyond it], which results in a kind of nonexistence. A 1-A Void of nothingness as described in the BDE page is a good example.

For the latter part, I meant that if a verse has some form of Reality>Fiction transcendence, and then there's some monad-type [undifferentiated whole] character, as you've said in the OP, then the latter[ultimate reality] can be High 1-A even if the Reality>Fiction transcendence is not between a 1-A and a Non 1-A, and simply a Non 1-A[for example, a Low 2-C universe] and something that's fictional to even that[qualitatively inferior.

This is mainly because the genus/quality/distinction that distinguishes 1-A from Non 1-A[that is, the quality of R>F] is also the same quality that distinguishes baseline reality[let's say Low 2-C] from something qualitatively inferior.
I think this would serve as an example of what I mean by "Qualitatively inferior".

• Immersion and Plot Manipulation (Despite being inside a painting that made people forget who their truly are and follow the plot of the story, Hajime's group were not only conscious of who they really were, but they also were capable of freeing themselves at any moment and doing whatever they wanted despite the plot but because the girls wanted to be rescued by Hajime they followed the role of heroine that the plot give to them,[48] though Hajime thought that was annoying and thus destroyed their tales with brutality)

The "Story" or inside of the painting here would be something qualitatively inferior to even baseline reality.

Source for the High 1-A logic: Ultima's sandbox

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Rephrase that please?

I think I misunderstood what your trying to say

First things first, it would be 1-A.

Second off, it could be higher than 1-A depending on if this thing[the bolded parts] as some more context:

3.) To actually view this ultimate reality. You need to achieve a state of being that transcends the time as well as space, go beyond the universe, and some higher dimensional membrane that isn't well elaborated. Once then you can see it

For example:
A way of "viewing" something is to become one with it.
A way to "achieve" a state of nothingness is by being reduced to nothingness yourself.
"Transcends", when taken as a qualitative transcendence, can also very well be the lack of space-time[which comes by one's nature of being beyond it], which results in a kind of nonexistence. A 1-A Void of nothingness as described in the BDE page is a good example.

For the latter part, I meant that if a verse has some form of Reality>Fiction transcendence, and then there's some monad-type [undifferentiated whole] character, as you've said in the OP, then the latter[ultimate reality] can be High 1-A even if the Reality>Fiction transcendence is not between a 1-A and a Non 1-A, and simply a Non 1-A[for example, a Low 2-C universe] and something that's fictional to even that[qualitatively inferior.

This is mainly because the genus/quality/distinction that distinguishes 1-A from Non 1-A[that is, the quality of R>F] is also the same quality that distinguishes baseline reality[let's say Low 2-C] from something qualitatively inferior.
I think this would serve as an example of what I mean by "Qualitatively inferior".

• Immersion and Plot Manipulation (Despite being inside a painting that made people forget who their truly are and follow the plot of the story, Hajime's group were not only conscious of who they really were, but they also were capable of freeing themselves at any moment and doing whatever they wanted despite the plot but because the girls wanted to be rescued by Hajime they followed the role of heroine that the plot give to them,[48] though Hajime thought that was annoying and thus destroyed their tales with brutality)

The "Story" or inside of the painting here would be something qualitatively inferior to even baseline reality.

Source for the High 1-A logic: Ultima's sandbox

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

3.) To actually view this ultimate reality. You need to achieve a state of being that transcends the time as well as space, go beyond the universe, and some higher dimensional membrane that isn't well elaborated. Once then you can see it

Pretty sure this disqualifies 1-A since you're going through a higher dimensional brane (a concept in physics) to reach this level of reality.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Pretty sure this disqualifies 1-A since you're going through a higher dimensional brane (a concept in physics) to reach this level of reality.

How so? To me it reads more like it's beyond dimensionality

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

How so? To me it reads more like it's beyond dimensionality

because it suggests theres some sort of continuity between said ultimate reality and physical reality since you can reach it by passing a higher-D brane

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

because it suggests theres some sort of continuity between said ultimate reality and physical reality

Continuity?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Continuity?

it's not entirely disconnected from reality

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

it's not entirely disconnected from reality

Even if Saud ultimate reality is stated to be beyond all dualities in the multiverse? And true type 1 concepts?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Even if Saud ultimate reality is stated to be beyond all dualities in the multiverse? And true type 1 concepts?

yea. it's just low 1-A since that membrane stuff really kills 1-A.

 

[GarrixianXD]

1-A.

yea. it's just low 1-A since that membrane stuff really kills 1-A.

Not exactly. Dimensions can be defined differently according to the verse, unless it is in an actual strict scientific context.

 

[Huesito88]

1-A.

Not exactly. Dimensions can be defined differently according to the verse, unless it is in an actual strict scientific context.

What if the author states they got there inspiration from real life higher dimensional physics and they hoped they portrayed it right for the story?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

What if the author states they got there inspiration from real life higher dimensional physics and they hoped they portrayed it right fir the story?

That's not really related to what I'm talking about. That's actually entirely different

 

[GarrixianXD]

What if the author states they got there inspiration from real life higher dimensional physics and they hoped they portrayed it right for the story?

Low 2-C since the size of the extra-dimensional membrane wasn't specified.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Not exactly. Dimensions can be defined differently according to the verse, unless it is in an actual strict scientific context.

But a higher dimensional membrane is a very specific concept

 

[Huesito88]

Bump

 

[Huesito88]

Bump