A Tale of Souls and Swords

[Desmond253]

Nightmare Vs. Aegislash

Speed Equalized

Complete Nightmare

Takes place in Ostrheinsburg Castle

Nightmare: 4 (Dragonmasterxyz, MrKingOfNegativity, Gargoyle One, Calaca Vs)

Aegislash:

 

[Desmond253]

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[Dragonmasterxyz]

Aegislash is supposed to become High 6-C.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Is Nightmare a new spam character now? Sheeeit...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Seems like it.

 

[Desmond253]

I check the clac he scales to and it only puts him at a little under 2x ap unless there is a new clac I didn't look for

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Aside from AP, does Aegislash have any defense for Soul Wave or Evil Seed? A.K.A Nightmare going "Watch This!"

 

[Desmond253]

Can either of those hit Aegislash while he is using shadow sneak?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Depends on if we treat Shadows as Non-Corporeal. If so, yes he can.

 

[Desmond253]

I don't know what we treat shadows as, also do you have a scan of evil seed/soul wave I know it's from legends and I vaguely remember a cutscene, but I can't seem to it anywhere.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

https://youtu.be/JuPrhjMXFiI?t=19

https://youtu.be/AiFZVTj8UKo?t=4

 

[Schnee_One]

<No Defense

Nightmare says his Watch This

 

[Desmond253]

I didn't realize the Nightmare Critical K.O in SCIV was soul wave.

Not sure I buy that working on something almost twice as strong as Nightmare; Seigfried is comparible to him and the other guys are just nameless soldiers. Especially in their duel at the beginnning of SCV Seigfried won and this move was not used.

I gonna assume Aegislash gets teleportation from shadow sneak even though that's not really how shadow sneak works; I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to avoid soul wave.

 

[Schnee_One]

Siegfried specifically combats him because Soul Caliber grants him resistance to soul destruction

For god sakes that's literally the plot of the game.

And Aegislash doesn't resist it, unlike Siegfried so.....

Watch This GG

 

[Desmond253]

So the argument is that because this move worked on some nameless soldiers who we have no reason to believe are comparible to nightmare let alone to Aegislash we should just say that it will work on Aegislash. That sounds dumb to me.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

When has Soul Manipulation been bound by tiering? Answer. Never.

 

[Schnee_One]

No the argument is more "If literally every single character can't fight Nightmare without getting their soul destroyed, then strength clearly means nothing"

Which, it doesn't, being physically stronger doesn't protect your soul.

 

[Desmond253]

would it hit through king's shield?

 

[Schnee_One]

Not seeing why it wouldn't

After all it's targeting his soul and destroying it, not his body

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Wasn't this an example of a Soul Wave as well?

Zasalamel getting overwhelmed by it should be plenty of proof that it works on more than just "nameless soldiers".

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Not seeing why it wouldn't

After all it's targeting his soul and absorbing it, not his body

FTFY.
The only being in SC that can actually "destroy" souls is Night Terror.

 

[Desmond253]

Wasn't this an example of a Soul Wave as well?
Zasalamel getting overwhelmed by it should be plenty of proof that it works on more than just "nameless soldiers".

That would be something I was looking for.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Not that you needed it in the first place as Soul hax is not bound by tier.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

^

 

[Desmond253]

honestly if it was just another person I wouldn't have said anything, but aegislash being a soul that has taken the shape of a sword and shield makes me feel like it would work a bit differently, but whatever works I guess.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Aegislash isn't a soul that has taken that shape. He's a soul that has possessed a sword and shield.

 

[Desmond253]

that raises so many questions.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

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[Schnee_One]

Voting Nightmare via Soul Wave BTW

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That's 3 votes for Nightmare

And 0 for Aegislash.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I hadn't initially voted yet, so I dunno why my name is up there.

Although at this point, I'm voting for Nightmare due to everything that's been presented, so I guess you can leave it as it is.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Bump

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

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[The_Calaca]

Nightmare FRA.

 

[Desmond253]

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[Dragonmasterxyz]

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