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A question about a certain tier

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I agree Ryu it needs to be approved. I agree with your hypothesis though. That would mean that time as a concept exists within that Dream World, and combined with it being a Universe, definitely opens te possibility of Max's Dream World being Low 2-C by a lot . 3-A isn't that big, but Low 2-C for just the Max's Dream World is a little bit more so, but still possible IMO . We need more input for this to go further and hypothesize how many dreams are connected to Max's ( because if all dreams created by children are connected to Max's Dream World, it shouldn't be that hard to calculate. If it's 3-A, then it would just be a very VERY high-end 3-A. If Max's Dream World is Low 2-C...Let's not go there [ At least not yet ] . )
 
I either think "At least 4-A, possibly far higher" or "At least 4-A, possibly 3-A" could fit in this case, given the "searching the universe" statement. Unless theirs any mention of its timeline, I wouldn't be comfortable with anything above tier 3, and certainty not Tier 1
 
Not to seem rude... but If time is a concept in a space-filled universe ( with a object that can control time ) , wouldn't that imply space-time , and as a result a timeline ?
 
I dunno, maybe. It seems all a little to vague. I don't think Low 2-C is out of the question, but I want more opinions.
 
Thanks for your feedback Anime . It is appreciated . I am as unsure as you are Anime . Please don't get that confused. Hence why i am 50-70% sure as opposed to 90-100% sure. An children's movie usually will never refer to timelines, as it will confuse the younger ones.
 
Maybe one of these ratings. Whatever is decided by rest of staff I am ultimately fine with though.

"At least Multi-Solar System level (Created and has complete and utter control over the Dream World, which has been shown to have numerous starst and constellations), possibly Universe level (Max has described Dream World as being an entire universe)"

Or alternatively

"At least At least Multi-Solar System level (Created and has complete and utter control over the Dream World, which has been shown to have numerous starst and constellations), possibly Universe level+ (Max has described Dream World as being an entire universe. Along with the Dream World having its own seperate flow of time)"
 
What about the Passage of Time & The incident with the Crystal Heart, that can mess with time itself ? Those are instances of at least mentioning the concept of time in seemingly a regular universe with no time. What about the Nexus thing i mentioned ? It's kinda proven more in the movie than the script, because of other dreamers existing within said Dream World, ( you can clearly see at least 5-7 of them on that ride ) and as such there dreams would be there as well. Minus had the power of Max's Notebook, which is the thing that Max used to create the Dream World. Would that effect anything ?

I am not saying i disgree. Just being an counterargument because of the lack of it.
 
.....Julian. These examples had to do with time itself , not space. Space-Time is only applicable when it is talking about both simultaneously. Both instances refer to time. Max would have space-time manipulation as a whole, do not get me wrong, but not because of that.
 
@Seed Well if not that then this could solidify his "Space-Time Manipulation". Even if those examples only had to do with time itself that would only be a sub-power of "Space-Time Manipulation" so my point still stands. And even then all of those could also be summarised as "Reality Warping" which Max should clearly have.
 
Wait a minute... Those instances were not to prove that he can warp time and space. I think we are getting confused. What this means is that time & space are a concept in the Dream World, and as such, it would not be just a regular universe, but a timeline instead. We enver had to argue this in the first place, as this both proves my point and your point simultaneously.
 
Well Okay. But I suggest however that you send screenshots with the scenes which explain all of this or at least a link to the script so it can be reviewed by the staff.


But as of now it appears that "At least 4-B possibly 3-A" Is the most acceptable one.
 
Julian... It's 4-A. Anyways...

Link to the script : http://fragglevision.tumblr.com/post/143079279756/sharkboy-and-lavagirl-script

Universe statement: "He had been traveling the universe In search of his father. "

Crystal Heart statement : "- It can freeze anything.- Even time itself . "

This statement about the Crystal Heart was used twice, proving that time itself is a concept in the Dream World. Due to it being a Nexus, it isn't hard to believe the other dream worlds connected to Max's also have it, unless explicit evidence is shown . Due to the showings of other dreamers inside of Max's dream, we can confirm that it is a nexus for everyone's dreams who dreams at night. If each of these are considered timelines, which isn't hard to grasp due to time legitimately existing within said worlds, it isn't hard to determine what tier this would fall under.

Max's World is a Nexus to all the children's dreams in the world. There are many children, but a quick look shows there are 74.2 Million Children currently on earth.. That is a lot of dreams. If it is 3-A, this is extremely high-end 3-A. If Max's Dream is Low 2-C... That's a lot of timelines. However, my main concern is the timelines first.
 
Pretty much. And considering that Minus, was going to destroy it all, via Max's Notebook, yet he fears Max and wants him destroyed as a top priority , says he is far stronger than even where we place him at. So yeah... 2-B Max
 
I'm more comfortable with "At least 4-A, possibly Low 2-C" than any speculation reaching into 2-B.
 
@Seed yeah 4-A. Opss lol.


Anyways I don't know...i mean I'd rather stay at "At least 4-A possibly 3-A" just to be safe. Also this would probably be Multiverse Level in terms of range to be honest.


EDIT:I wrote my comment at the same time as prom. I think that this at best would indeed be Low 2-C. So "At least 4-A possibly Low 2-C" is plausible.
 
Ryukama said:
"At least At least Multi-Solar System level (Created and has complete and utter control over the Dream World, which has been shown to have numerous starst and constellations), possibly Universe level+ (Max has described Dream World as being an entire universe. Along with the Dream World having its own seperate flow of time)"
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Basically what Ryukama suggested as an alternate description would be acceptable.
 
Okay so there are other kids who can reality warp with their dreams within Max's dream. Any evidence that all of these kids dream entire timelines and that Max has power over all their dreams as well as his own?
 
About the other dreams. The structure of dreams were never hinted to be different, and if they overlap perfectly as they do in Max's Dream, they should have comparable structures, unless specifically noted. If they "overlap" all of their dreams inside of Max's dream, and Minus was confident he could end all of it with Max's Notebook, this heavily implies he has control over every Dream connected to his own. The girl's dream , the one who can control time, that was her dream connected to Max's dream. It was said to be able to stop the entire timeline from moving with the Crystal Heart. This is pretty good proof IMO.

We have no real evidence as to how this overlapping of their Dreams even began. It clearly was going on for quite some time, evidenced by the movie, but it is unknown for how long.

Minus' showing of being able to destroy Max's Dream World ( which would include the other Dreamers' Dreams as they are overlapped inside of it. Evidenced by the children being ij sepcifically Max's Dream, the girl having the time power inside of Max's Dream in her own dream , and maybe a few more examples. Plus the fact Max materialized this Crystal Heart, which is an essential part of the snow girl's dream, from her own dream supports Max's superiority. ) with Max's Notebook, which he used to to attempt to destroy Dream World. Also the fact that despite having all of these dreamer's there sedated, he still viewed Max as more of a threat than any of the other Dreamers ( Get him before he realizes his true powers, and tears my new kingdom apart. This is Minus when amped by Max's Notebook ] , which included the girl . She was onky considered an annoyance. Sorry, I don't believe she was named. Will have to go back.
 
We can't afford much speculation when dealing with tierings this high. Unless there is explict, concrete proof that each kid individually dreams up an entire timeline, we're not going with that.

As of right now, it's just been proven that Max's dream contains other reality warpers.
 
That'd be my suggestion. I'm perfectly fine with whatever most staff decide though.
 
Okay then. Okay. Fine. At least 4-A , possibly Low 2-C. That's enough. I'm not saying anymore about this topic. This is stressful. I try to at least attempt to prove where the series did not even try to explain, but just put it like " THERE IT IS. " and we are forced to figure out why they did it. That crap is annoying. Speculation is the only way to explain why they are even frickin connected to other Dreamers in the first place. Dreams dont connect to other Dreams for a reason . Daydreaming ability should be superior to a Dreamer's ability, but like I said, enough is enough.
 
I'm sorry you feel that way, but there is no need to feel stressed out over this. Don't worry.
 
It's fine. Nothing to feel bad about. This whole thing is no big deal at all. It's all good :)
 
I'm not sure if most staff have agree upon how to rate him. It seems like many are fine with At least 4-A, possibly 3-A or At least 4-A, possibly Low 2-C.
 
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