A Potential Speed Upgrade?

[Lightbuster30]

This is a show about illogical magic. Realism isn't at all a high priority, and their sun has been stated outright to be as big as ours. We are not going to downgrade their tiers. Sorry.

As long as the sun is as big as ours we should still be able to apply a tier to it. The fact that Luna moving the Sun is considered harder than the moon is by itself is evidence it's comparable to the real sun.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, in any case we are not going to downgrade the characters, and should return to the main topic.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Yes. Regardless, we don't know to what extent she got faster, certainly not to a signifigant degree. She was always one of the fastest pegasi, even faster than the Wonderbolts ever since childhood. While she did grow faster, I doubt it was to the point of top tier levels. Nightmare Moon didn't just outspeed her, she was out of Rainbow Dash's sight and beyond her in under a second.

Even still: How is this is any way relevant to her telekinesis? It's not a race between Twilight accelerating herself with telekinesis vs Rainbow Dash flying. The entire point is that it only scales to their reactions to the telekinesis. Had Rainbow Dash outflown telekinesis in a race, I would be inclined to agree with inconsistency, yet she didn't.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the problem is that this is similar to Calc Stacking. Assume that a speed from another feat holds true to an unrelated feat in order evaluate statistics. It is unreliable and tends to give inflated values.

 

[Lightbuster30]

How is scaling the speed of telekinesis used on the sun, to telekinesis by people of the exact same power calc stacking? What evidence is there suggesting it is somehow different when used on a smaller object?

 

[Antvasima]

Please read the Calc Stacking page. We have rules against this type of practice, and cannot make exceptions.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Shouldn't the scene in the movie where the Storm King casually moves the sun like nothing be proof they're solidly in the Tier 4 range? Anyway.

This isn't calc stacking. Calc stacking is taking the value of one thing and applying it to another calculation. This is applying the value of one thing and applying it to something that should have similar application.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Would it be calc stacking if I found results for the individual princesses and divided the original result between the 4 of them?

 

[Antvasima]

Isn't that an extremely narrow distinction?

 

[Lightbuster30]

Isn't that an extremely narrow distinction?

Which one? Applying the value of one thing and applying it to something that should have similar application. Or dividing the result between the princesses?

 

[Antvasima]

The former.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

It was a similar logic we used to scale their durability. Since they can move the sun, their magic attacks are probably comparable to that, and so their durability should be comparable to that.

Since they can move the sun at MFTL speeds, they should be able to move other objects at such speeds if they need.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, okay then, but this would be combat speed only, correct?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Probably.

And I think we should only have it on the profiles as a "possibly" rating. "At least Relativistic, possibly Massively FTL".

 

[Lightbuster30]

When you say MFTL, are you referring to the calc I linked to? Because otherwise, it'd be FTL+, not MFTL. (The fastest accepted speed for the Sun was 30-59 c)

@Antvasima Yes, combat speed only. That much is for certain.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

FTL+ then. There's a lot of calcs for those feats so I got them mixed up.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[Lightbuster30]

FTL+ then. There's a lot of calcs for those feats so I got them mixed up.

Any opinions on the one I linked to earlier? Or should I re-post it in proper blog format?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I am unsure of using the specific movement of the sun as justification for a speed upgrade like this. I don't think we've ever scaled stuff like this directly to combat speed unless the object moving at said speed is being used in an attack. This seems like a far cry from the other best speed feats we have, which even then, aren't super direct nor casual.

I don't really like the idea of bumping everyone to FTL+ under the idea that Celestia could theoretically tk a rock or something at 59x SoL towards an enemy, despite never having done so, all without any actual combat speed feats of this level being achieved. Seems kinda shaky to perform a large speed upgrade off of things that never actually happen or are stated to have happened.

 

[Antvasima]

Azathoth is probably correct.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I was agreeing on the notion they have reacted to things that the high tiers TK'd when they were serious. It's a similar logic to scailing their magical attacks to the sun feats, why would using telekinesis to attack someone by lifting and throwing an object at them be millions of time slower than moving the sun.

Of course if they never did this then I'm not sure if I agree.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Casting a shield spell as you're being thrown by TK by someone who is as strong as you would count right? She would have to think and be able to put it up before she hit the mountain.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I'm actually not sure, that kind of stuff is usually a weird gray area.

 

[Lightbuster30]

I'm actually not sure, that kind of stuff is usually a weird gray area.

Well lifting a living creature and throwing them should be no different than throwing an non living object like the Sun. Unless your this guy I argued with about living creatures somehow working different.

Out of curiocity: Wouldn't them moving the Sun behind the planet at those speeds require reactions at that level anyways? I get that from far away, it makes it easier to see mid motion like a car, but when that thing is flying behind the planet at ftl speeds, you have no way of looking at it. I'm not sure if the distance argument is appliable as the Twilight and the Storm King are no longer able to see the Sun once it goes behind the planet opposite to their position. So wouldn't that force them to guess it's position and act on instinct?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

It's not that, it's moreso that reacting to being thrown isn't really the same as reacting to an object being thrown. I dunno, it's just not as clear cut I guess.

 

[Lightbuster30]

It's not that, it's moreso that reacting to being thrown isn't really the same as reacting to an object being thrown. I dunno, it's just not as clear cut I guess.

Well if she's being thrown at theoretically the same speed, then wouldn't she have to react before she hits the mountain? The point is that she was being thrown at ftl speeds, yet her reaction speed was still fast enough that she could think and perform an action (like a spell) as she was being thrown at those speeds. If her reactions weren't on par with the speed with which she was being thrown, then she wouldn't have been able to act in the middle of the throw.

@Bold Maybe I'm just not looking into it as deeply as you, but to me it sounds simple enough. Idk, I sometimes miss out on certain details.