I knew someone might ask this... Maybe? I don't recall any canon evidence to say so, but there's nothing disproving it either. But if you just read the profile and go to intelligence, the plants seem to be as intelligent and emotional as humans, so it seems likely that they'd have SOULs.Stalker Maggot said:
With soeed equal, I'm not sure which would happen first, does the player get dunked on, or does Sans get Power Tossed into oblivion? We need to consider standard battle assumptions. The OP did not state location and starting pos, so the player (as in the actual human controlling the plants) is probably at a disadvantage due to range. Their regular attacks (plants' various abilities and Sans' danmaku) are tens to dozens of meters, but Sans has much further range via teleportation and Gaster Blasters. On the plus side, Central Park, New York City, gives the player an environmental advantage due to being surrounded by soil to put plants wherever he wants. However, we don't know just what the range is for how far away the player can plant plants, but we only see in game that while the player is inside their house, plants can be placed anywhere on the front lawn, backyard, or roof. The screen itself for the player clicking/tapping and dragging the plants might also be a range restriction, also for using powerups. With all that in mind, there's one of two ways the battle will begin. Either Sans teleports the player closer to be in range of the bone danmaku, or tries to snipe them off from the starting distance with Gaster Blasters. With speed equal, the player reacts and probably stops the lasers with plant food on an Infi-Nut to create a holographic barrier. Since the forcefield itself is an inanimate object that wouldn't have a SOUL, and it's created by a building+ durable plant, while Sans is just building AP, I'm not sure if he could pierce the forcefield that quickly with Gaster blasts. Even when he does, the player has more plant food or can probably create a little more with a Power Lily, and if he can't, he'll probably just plant a few more defensive plants around the Infi-Nut, if not a decent meat shield via Puff-Shrooms. With the player hiding behind a good defense, Sans will either have to close the distance to get in bone range, teleport over, or most likely, teleport the player to him. When that happens, he'll get crushed with bones. Thing is, would it really kill him instantly? The SOUL poison and lack of invincibility frames is caused by karmic retribution, which probably wouldn't affect the player well since he's not some genocidal maniac, he's just a protag trying to survive in a zombie apocalypse, he hasn't really done anything bad, and we could debate all day about the ethics of killing undead corpses. Before the unavoidable bones kill him, since speed is equal, he might have time to react and use a Cherry Bomb, Power Toss, or Power Zap, or many other options that could probably kill Sans instantly. I don't know if Sans can get out of the way before the Cherry Bomb right on top of him explodes. Power Zap deals rapid electric damage and the player controls it, so he could probably keep it on top of Sans if he dodges, but maybe not if he teleports, but he wouldn't have to be shocked for long before he's a pile of dust and ash since it's building+ against 1 HP only assumed to be regular building. Funny how both of them have telekinesis, Sans has blue mode and can change SOUL gravity while tossing it against box sides, while the player can wreak havoc with Power Toss. One thing's for sure, Sans definitely wouldn't be able to dodge telekinesis. And the zombies most affected by it are rapidly spun before they go of screen or simply fade and disappear, heavily implying it killed them, and let's not forget that the zombies are building+ while Sans is only building. But now that I think about it, ironically one of the most effective, fast, and little reaction for dodging should be Spikeweed or more likely Spikerock. It will get planted beneath Sans' feet and he's instantly taking damage, and with building+ against building, I don't know if Sans will be able react and step off of it before it kills him. Probably not just the methods I already listed, the player just has so many different plants and various options for how to kill Sans once they close the distance and get this close encounter. But I don't know how many of these attacks Sans can react to and dodge, if any, and I certainly don't know if it can kill Sans before the player is eventually killed by the bones.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Huh, just a funny thing I wanted to point out, we assume the PvZ plants have SOULs because they are very sentient, but Flowey is an Undertale character who's a sentient flower and lacks a SOUL. But it doesn't matter, he's a special case since he used to be a regular flower that wasn't sentient in the first place, probably doesn't even identify as a monster. He was only given personality and a will to live in the first place by Asriel's dust and a DETERMINATION injection, but it's explicitly stated this worked without giving him a SOUL. The PvZ plants on the other hand actually seem to have compassion unlike Flowey, and they're actually born with sentience in the first place rather than it just being injected. So yeah, we'll still assume for this thread that the plants have SOULs, I like energy equalization. Cute image hereRicsi-viragosi said:
Well, Sans is the only character in his own game who has telekinesis, and has no experience fighting someone else who has telekinesis. He's never been in the situation for him to teleport out of a telekinetic hold, so we do not know whether he can. You can't prove to me that he can avoid the Power Toss, which is very likely to kill him if he can't escape it.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Well Ricsi proved to me that the point about the forcefield was false. But we're assuming the plants have human SOULs, so Sans' danmaku wouldn't just pass through, it would bypass durability and he'd have to shatter the plants' SOULs before it reaches the player hiding behind. And the player just planted them, having a sad short life before Sans annihilates them. Given that, they don't have LV, so he depletes 20 HP in 0.3 seconds, making quick work of any plant regardless of their physical durability. That being said, the player can still maintain an effective meat shield by randomly planting as many plants as possible since he has infinite sun. With a regenerating shield, Sans would just have an easier time teleporting the player into short range, as we've discussed. At that point, I don't know whether the player will get poison crushed by bones first or if Sans will get Power Tossed into oblivion (the player's most likely choice in this situation), and there's no proof that Sans can teleport out of the telekinetic hold.Kriskirby said:
It's an year old match, it's been changed after some discussion.Dangeroustaco said:
The message began with "Huh, just a funny thing I wanted to point out," stating loud and clear that it's something funny I wanted to bring up and wasn't serious about. It ended with "So yeah, we'll still assume for this thread that the plants have SOULs, I like energy equalization", stating loud and clear I was reaffirming the earlier agreement about how the plants will have SOULs. Perhaps that makes the message about Flowey pointless, but I was just trying to lighten the mood, especially from bringing up a fanart of him and Sunflower.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Because 90% of Sans threads are pure shitshowsSuper Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
Well gee, I'm sorry for a little mistake I made, and for us having to take it this far. It's just a problem I have that when I get interested in chatting about a certain topic, I get way ahead of myself and forget to organize things into paragraphs, but that's not to say I never do so. This is just one such case where I failed to. I'll try not to do it again, and to be more organized in this thread. And I prefer when people don't point out my little grammar/writing mistakes, because they usually never do, I'm not use to it >:/Ricsi-viragosi said:
I didn't say the ice plants will damage him. I said they'll freeze him, "stop dead in your tracks" is an expression that usually means to stop, get stuck, or be frozen, at least how I see it and have used it throughout my life. Anyway, with him frozen, he's open to any attack that would kill him instantly. And his profile says absolutely nothing about resisting cold/ice manip, despite living a cold place.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yes.Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
