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A madman screams at a rock - The Beast vs Luke Hobbs

Breaking bulletproof glass that no-sells 5.56x45 ammo >>>>>>>>>>>> breaking spines or even denting cars. Not like the Horde would excel there, because Roland Deschai dented armored cars by hurling the Rock into them.

Anyways, Luke via skill and AP advantage.
 
KLOL506 said:
Breaking bulletproof glass that no-sells 5.56x45 ammo >>>>>>>>>>>> breaking spines or even denting cars.
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Horde scales to Dunn, who can go out of a train collision that killed every single passenger in his car absolutely unscathed. He also was only staggered and took superficial damage from a direct shotgun blast.

If anything The Horde has the AP advantage here, and has a definitive dura advantage.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
KLOL506 said:
Breaking bulletproof glass that no-sells 5.56x45 ammo >>>>>>>>>>>> breaking spines or even denting cars.
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Horde scales to Dunn, who can go out of a train collision that killed every single passenger in his car absolutely unscathed. He also was only staggered and took superficial damage from a direct shotgun blast.
If anything The Horde has the AP advantage here, and has a definitive dura advantage.
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Dom survived a building collapsing on him, and Luke Hobbs scales to that by fighting him on equal terms. If anything, Hobbs should be somewhat on par with the Horde.
 
A building collapsing on him isn't A. concentrated damage and B. guaranteed to do damage like at all, since it's reasonable to get stuck in what you could call a cubby hole.

Basically a normal human can tank that.
 
Horde scales to Dunn, who can go out of a train collision that killed every single passenger in his car absolutely unscathed. He also was only staggered and took superficial damage from a direct shotgun blast.

If anything The Horde has the AP advantage here, and has a definitive dura advantage.

Not too mention that he completely tanked the train before he even got physically stronger and that was almost 20 YEARS before the Beast fought him

Going with Beast, he has a solid strength advantage as well as mobility and ability to climb on walls or get his arms to wrap around Luke and squeeze him to death
 
yeah for now count me for Beast.
 
Schnee One said:
Horde scales to Dunn, who can go out of a train collision that killed every single passenger in his car absolutely unscathed. He also was only staggered and took superficial damage from a direct shotgun blast.
If anything The Horde has the AP advantage here, and has a definitive dura advantage.
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Not too mention that he completely tanked the train before he even got physically stronger and that was almost 20 YEARS before the Beast fought him
Going with Beast, he has a solid strength advantage as well as mobility and ability to climb on walls or get his arms to wrap around Luke and squeeze him to death

We'll need a proper calc on the train thing.

Also, change my vote to the Beast FRA.
 
Why do I feel like that the Horde and David might actually be 9-A?
 
How high-end tho?

EDIT: I just checked Dom's feats, and he got away from the building site, but instead ends up in a wreck.

A few more feats here too.
 
Not saying that Luke could win, just pointing out that he has a lot of feats missing.

EDIT: Including getting wrecked in armored cars and taking explosions.
 
Either way, Hobbs might get a decent upgrade in the new film. Will check to see.
 
Should we keep this thread going, or are we gonna wait for Hobbs and Shaw to be released?
 
Bump

Honestly we can't really scale the Beast to the full KE of the train unless David Dunn has a showing of tanking the entire thing crashing him into a wall and stopping dead in its tracks. It's more or less similar to the car crashes of real-life.
 
I mean every single person in the train car including someone standing next to him got every single of their bones crushed
 
People can get their bones crushed with significantly less forces tho. *cough* car crashes *cough*

Angle of attack is really important to consider.

Not that the Rock would be any higher, TBF, but right now, being able to fight against a bulletproof Deschain kinda makes me lean towards the big dude ATM.
 
People can indeed get their bones crushed by a car accident

Every single one of their bones crushed however?
 
Which is why its baseline 9B

Casually tanking the force of something that can very easily shatter the bones of a human can give up to 9A.
 
So would being bulletproof to the likes of FN Five-sevens, which Brixton apparently says he's immune to.

And Luke fractured an elevator that no-selled 5.56x45mm rounds.

Frankly, Luke is seeming to be more impressive when it comes to feats.
 
You mean in the movie? Don't remember it shrugging off 55.6 bullets

Also, feats>Statements.

Besides, FN Five-Sevens don't shatter every person's bones on contact
 
Yeah, I'd argue the same thing Bambu did for the train feat for Dunn if every single other person in the cabin wasn't killed instantly.

And tanking point-blank shotgun blasts is pretty impressive given piercing damage.
 
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