a character in another universe?

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

just wondering why a character in their universe is stronger than lets say them in another?

like original donkey kong is stronger than punch out donkey kong. even though they are the same character. why is that. is it because of this.

We will never know if Saitama could defeat God because the Bible can never be edited to account for Saitama, and even if some version of God were introduced as a character in One Punch Man, it would merely be an Expy created to serve that specific author's narrative purpose. (from tv tropes)

is this quote related to what i said about.

so the punch out donkey kong was just created just so little mac can beat DK. (we can never know if Little Mac can actually defeat DK)

finally what's the difference between what i just talked about and something like let's say a crossover?

 

[QuasiYuri]

Any character that doesnt share the same canon is just a different, unrelated character no matter how similar it is to the "original" (ofc there's some exceptions but that's the main gist of it).

Basically these gods and these DK have as much connection as Krillin and a One Piece character in essence.

Also Expy don't really work this way. Being "God" is more of a mere tropes than being an actual expy nowadays.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Any character that doesnt share the same canon is just a different, unrelated character no matter how similar it is to the "original" (ofc there's some exceptions but that's the main gist of it).

Basically these gods and these DK have as much connection as Krillin and a One Piece character in essence.

you mean even if they are the exact same person. (also what do you think about the quote from tv tropes? it isn't the full quote though)

here's the full quote if you want to read it

Spoiler: Full quote

Fictional Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny comparisons. A popular usage of the "No Limits Fallacy" is to claim that because a specific character's abilities work in a particular setting, it cannot be extrapolated to infinity in another setting. For example, "If Saitama can defeat anyone with one punch, then can he defeat Superman, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, or God as written in The Bible?". The problem with this question is that fiction does not follow "logical" conclusions; what is stated in the text is true until stated otherwise in the text. But at the same time, if the text initially assigns something an "infinite" value, adding a limitation later means that the object is no longer "infinite". We will never know if Saitama could defeat God because the Bible can never be edited to account for Saitama, and even if some version of God were introduced as a character in One Punch Man, it would merely be an Expy created to serve that specific author's narrative purpose.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

btw i think things get kinda a little bit wonky when two verses actually have a crossover.

because once the crossover ends and the character gets stronger and stronger. what happens? (should we still assume the character that fought the guy that's getting stronger and stronger still beat him?)

and does this crossover have anything to do with the tv tropes quote.

 

[QuasiYuri]

btw i think things get kinda a little bit wonky when two verses actually have a crossover.

because once the crossover ends and the character gets stronger and stronger. what happens? (should we still assume the character that fought the guy that's getting stronger and stronger still beat him?)

and does this crossover have anything to do with the tv tropes quote.

Crossover follows the same logic as above. They are just others versions of a character - same as another whole character - unless it is a case of canon crossover and coe.

And there's no reason to assume that being stronger than a guy at a point in time means you're stronger than him at any others.

And nah tv tropes has others pages detailling that.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Crossover follows the same logic as above. They are just others versions of a character - same as another whole character - unless it is a case of canon crossover and coe.

And there's no reason to assume that being stronger than a guy at a point in time means you're stronger than him at any others.

And nah tv tropes has others pages detailling that.

you mean like this https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rimuru_Tempest_(Nanatsu_no_Taizai)

 

[QuasiYuri]

Yup