8D Archie Sonic

[Hypercyber37]

Hello! I swear it's very simple. There's nothing confusing. If Archie Solaris is accepted on the site, it's a shame that this one isn't.

Archie comic many times accepts the story in the game as canon within itself. Like the events of 06 and Solaris. Even Arabian Nights exists in the Archie universe

Time Eater (Archie)

The Time Eater is a character that is mentioned in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics. It is a monster with powers over time and space that once was discovered by Dr. Eggman. Dr. Eggman discovered the Time Eater following one of his defeats at the...

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Time Eater (Pre-Super Genesis Wave)

The Time Eater is a character that is mentioned in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics. It is a monster with powers over time and space. The Time Eater existed at one point in the reality of Mobius Prime after the Prime Zone had its timeline altered...

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White Space (Archie)

The White Space is a location that appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series and its spin-offs published by Archie Comics. It is an empty realm between dimensions that holds Sonic's world in the In Another Time, In Another Place zone together and where areas or people that have been torn...

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In Archie Comic, all Generations events from Time Eater to White Space are already officially available.

White Space is a realm existing beyond all the previous ones, as this realm completely lacks any sort of time. This is in stark contrast to, as they still had a flow of time (albeit distorted). Even Time Eater's lair at the end of time, containing an infinite time tunnel, which is reinforced as the end of time in the Encyclospeedia, still contains a flow of time. It also has an “endless” size

The End of Time and White Space are accepted as part of the 6-D hypertimeline, so just consider all of this as part of 6-D.

The Next Evolution is a layer of its own existence, above the mortal plane.

Described by the Brotherhood of Guardians, it is a plane of existence that is equally in the middle between the lower, mortal plane of existence (ex. Prime Zone & Cosmic Interstate) and higher plane of existence (Chaos Force). Brotherhood members go through a process of evolution, described as transcending and ascending, from their corporeal state of being into their new higher plane that bridge the gulf between time and space where the concept of time is irrelevant to them.

6D White space,7D the next evolution,8D Chaos energy

Agree: @Monsters_fight @FaceOff81 @SneakyTurtle-0 @JJSliderman @Mythic381 @RigelBR7
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[Theuser789]

The Hypertimeline is 6-D, not White Space. And you can't use any Phantom Ruby evidence since that doesn't exist in Archie.

 

[Hypercyber37]

The Hypertimeline is 6-D, not White Space. And you can't use any Phantom Ruby evidence since that doesn't exist in Archie.

Sonic the Hedgehog (Game) Cosmology Blog

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I reviewed the wrong blog?

 

[Hypercyber37]

Oh wait this?

Sonic The Hedgehog (Main Continuity) Cosmology Page

The main universe where the majority of the series takes place,[1] housing countless[2] planets and stars[3] within it. The future of this world isn't set in stone and is prone to changing.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] A “strange new multiverse”[16] created by the shattering[17] of...

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This is the dimension where the battle with Time Eater took place, separate from the previous one, objects from other dimensions may drift here and it goes on forever as it is infinite. It is implied to be a time dimension as flying through it is treated as the same as flying through the end of time, even when the space-time of the rest of the multiverse was erased, making it a different time dimension than the rest of cosmology. Additionally the Time Eater could alter its flows to even slow down both of the Super Sonics despite previously Sonic being able to freely move when the flow of time was put to a complete stop or outright removed, cross an infinite distance within a finite time and Super States doing this while time was distorted and are able to travel through it.

Thus the Infinite Tunnel Dimension is 1-C (6-D) due to it being a Hypertimeline that encompasses all the rest of the cosmology.

still Time eater events are canon for archie verse. Doesn't chance

 

[Theuser789]

That's the game cosmology blog. Archie doesn't have EVERY game canon, and even then Gens is only canon to Post-Gen.

 

[Hypercyber37]

That's the game cosmology blog. Archie doesn't have EVERY game canon, and even then Gens is only canon to Post-Gen.

The official archie time eater wikis I shared describe the same events in the game. Not everything may be the same, but Generations events are the same, which is what we need.

 

[Hypercyber37]

The official archie time eater wikis I shared describe the same events in the game. Not everything may be the same, but Generations events are the same, which is what we need.

If Solaris is accepted, then Time Eater must also be accepted.

 

[Hypercyber37]

That's the game cosmology blog. Archie doesn't have EVERY game canon, and even then Gens is only canon to Post-Gen.

Pre-genesis
URL unfurl="true"]https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Eater_(Pre-Super_Genesis_Wave)[/URL]

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

It is pretty cringe how Archie leaches off of all of the Game feats without putting in any of the work to tell their own story regarding them. Literal AFK farming.

 

[Hypercyber37]

It is pretty cringe how Archie leaches off of all of the Game feats without putting in any of the work to tell their own story regarding them. Literal AFK farming.

The same goes for Archie Solaris, but he has a profile. Archie sticks to the story of the game. Time Eater has an official pre-genesis wiki, and the way he is defeated is the same as in the game verse.

 

[Hypercyber37]

I don't know who the admins are who handle Sonic. Who should I show this to?

 

[Theuser789]

The official archie time eater wikis I shared describe the same events in the game. Not everything may be the same, but Generations events are the same, which is what we need.

The wikia made by fans... it isn't an official source. And even then it only refers to the reality after the first Genesis Wave that the Mega Man crossover takes place in, and only that Time Eater might be canon, but nothing about the End of Time. Still, it is canon to Post-Gen at least.

 

[Hypercyber37]

When did the wiki become a Fan creation...?

So what exactly was Archie Solaris accepted for? Everything from White Space to Time Eater is available, but the defeat method is written to be the same as in the game

The wikia made by fans... it isn't an official source. And even then it only refers to the reality after the first Genesis Wave that the Mega Man crossover takes place in, and only that Time Eater might be canon, but nothing about the End of Time. Still, it is canon to Post-Gen at least.

 

[Theuser789]

Archie Solaris is show and stated in the official encyclopedia for Archie.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Archie Solaris is show and stated in the official encyclopedia for Archie.

Time eater is also mentioned? It's just not shown. And everything in Solaris' profile is said to be "probably" the same as in the game

 

[JJSliderman]

Wait why was the Phantom Ruby mentioned? That didn’t exist when Archie was canned.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Wait why was the Phantom Ruby mentioned? That didn’t exist when Archie was canned.

That's my fault. but it's irrelevant anyway. The real story is that the Time Eater battle in Generations also happened in Archie. Like the Solaris battle in 06 and the Overlord battle in Heroes.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Bump
I won't let something so simple go to waste.

 

[RedReaper616]

So checking the actual sources, it’s that Dr. Light references the Time Eater (events of Generations) in Issue 250, which happens prior to the Post-Genesis Rewrite that occurs due to Eggman’s interference at the end of Issue 251. The very first Issue of the Post-Genesis Continuity is 252, meaning Doctor Light IS referring to a Pre-Genesis Time Eater, here. Albeit in a one off line. Thus Sonic Generations and its implications are fair to use.

Now, I have no idea what those implications are. I’m into Archie but I’m not deep into the lore trenches, as it were. I’m just adding some clarification to the claims made in the thread.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Bump

So checking the actual sources, it’s that Dr. Light references the Time Eater (events of Generations) in Issue 250, which happens prior to the Post-Genesis Rewrite that occurs due to Eggman’s interference at the end of Issue 251. The very first Issue of the Post-Genesis Continuity is 252, meaning Doctor Light IS referring to a Pre-Genesis Time Eater, here. Albeit in a one off line. Thus Sonic Generations and its implications are fair to use.

Now, I have no idea what those implications are. I’m into Archie but I’m not deep into the lore trenches, as it were. I’m just adding some clarification to the claims made in the thread.

Even the mere confirmation of Solaris' existence made the events of 06 have a profile with an Archie Adaptation. Because archie was always based on canon in old sonic games. They even have Arabian nighs. The same goes for Time Eater and Metal Overlord but they don't count them. If this is accepted, the next evolution will be an Afterlife above the plane where Time Eater is fought. Chaos energy will also rise above this and become 8D.

 

[Theuser789]

So checking the actual sources, it’s that Dr. Light references the Time Eater (events of Generations) in Issue 250, which happens prior to the Post-Genesis Rewrite that occurs due to Eggman’s interference at the end of Issue 251. The very first Issue of the Post-Genesis Continuity is 252, meaning Doctor Light IS referring to a Pre-Genesis Time Eater, here. Albeit in a one off line. Thus Sonic Generations and its implications are fair to use.

Yes, that's literally what I said:

And even then it only refers to the reality after the first Genesis Wave that the Mega Man crossover takes place in, and only that Time Eater might be canon, but nothing about the End of Time.

Technically the first Mega Man crossover applies to both pre and post gen.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Hypercyber37]

Bump

 

[Hypercyber37]

Bump

 

[Monsters_fight]

I agree with 8-D + Bump + You should summon staff

 

[Hypercyber37]

Bump

 

[FaceOff81]

I most certainly agree with 8-D Archie Sonic here. BUMP

 

[Monsters_fight]

Someone should ask staff to come here

 

[Hypercyber37]

I'm looking for something very simple but convincing enough for the admins to be sure

Someone should ask staff to come here

 

[Hypercyber37]

I found black knight too...

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Time eater

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Everyone knows the heroes,06 references. The secret rings reference is right there on the CRT.



Does Lan Flynn really have to say it directly with his mouth to prove that the old games actually happened in archie!?

Time eater is Ok
White space is Ok
Why is the plane we fight with Time eater not in Archie? It is more reliable than Solaris

 

[RedReaper616]

I mean, if you want more direct statements, there's the old BumbleForums.

Here's Flynn saying that Colors and Generations happened Post-Reboot.

Flynn saying that 06 happened and confirming (as well as lampshading) he once said all games are canon to the Post-Reboot Continuity. He does list some exceptions, which are: Sonic Chronicles (the Lawsuit made those unusable due to Ken trying to lay claim over the Echinda clan from that title, and thus their entry into the comic, which was literally happening at the same time, was moved into a different Sonic's reality from the Prime Sonic's), Lost World (literally just released), Unleashed (as they intended to adapt it), and Sonic R (no reason given).

So there's sufficient evidence to say that Post-Reboot definitely has it, bare minimum. As for Pre-Reboot, there's also stuff from Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Riders, and what have you, so there's still a decent amount of stuff to cover that is absolutely true for Pre-Boot, even if the Time Eater/Generations isn't (though it should, given Doctor Light directly referenced it, verbatim, Pre-Reboot).

 

[FaceOff81]

This is exactly what I mean by there is still so much work left to be done with Archie. Other than White Space and some events involving the Games in Post-Reboot, there is plenty of other things within the Cosmology that DESPERATELY need to be added just as Sonic Live, Image Comics Multiverse connection, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and especially Off Panel.

 

[RedReaper616]

The games are pretty important given it gives serious cosmology information. Like the plot stuff from the Time Eater’s wipe out of the Cosmology (and thus the Secret Rings and Black Knight story worlds, like in the canon Sonic cosmology), or Shuffle (MaginaryWorld), and etc. etc. A lot of Archie Sonic’s missing work is just straight up games being canon to him that aren’t accounted for.

 

[FaceOff81]

The games are pretty important given it gives serious cosmology information. Like the plot stuff from the Time Eater’s wipe out of the Cosmology (and thus the Secret Rings and Black Knight story worlds, like in the canon Sonic cosmology), or Shuffle (MaginaryWorld), and etc. etc. A lot of Archie Sonic’s missing work is just straight up games being canon to him that aren’t accounted for.

While true, the stuff I previously mentioned were mostly in the Pre-Genesis section as well. BOTH desperately need major revamps in their cosmologies.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Most of the Cosmology structures from the old games should be in Archie Cosmology. White space, Arabian nights, End of time

 

[Hypercyber37]

I mean, if you want more direct statements, there's the old BumbleForums.

Here's Flynn saying that Colors and Generations happened Post-Reboot.

Flynn saying that 06 happened and confirming (as well as lampshading) he once said all games are canon to the Post-Reboot Continuity. He does list some exceptions, which are: Sonic Chronicles (the Lawsuit made those unusable due to Ken trying to lay claim over the Echinda clan from that title, and thus their entry into the comic, which was literally happening at the same time, was moved into a different Sonic's reality from the Prime Sonic's), Lost World (literally just released), Unleashed (as they intended to adapt it), and Sonic R (no reason given).

So there's sufficient evidence to say that Post-Reboot definitely has it, bare minimum. As for Pre-Reboot, there's also stuff from Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Riders, and what have you, so there's still a decent amount of stuff to cover that is absolutely true for Pre-Boot, even if the Time Eater/Generations isn't (though it should, given Doctor Light directly referenced it, verbatim, Pre-Reboot).

Thanks

 

[SneakyTurtle-0]

I always wondered why no one argued this. The events of Generations in general have been shown to have happened in Archie's continuity through the "In another time, in another place" side story and with Doctor Light mentioning Eggman's use of the Time Eater in the past. Since the hypertimeline argument is accepted for the game continuity, I see no reason why it shouldn't apply the same here. So yeah, I agree with this upgrade.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

I think, at the very least, this wouldn't give Archie Shadow stuff from Shadow Gens since it wasn't technically made in that time, so giving Archie everything from a remaster of a game that was made nearly a decade after the comic's end would be dicey, imo.

 

[RedReaper616]

I think, at the very least, this wouldn't give Archie Shadow stuff from Shadow Gens since it wasn't technically made in that time, so giving Archie everything from a remaster of a game that was made nearly a decade after the comic's end would be dicey, imo.

I mean, I figure that’s self-explanatory.