8-D Archie Sonic Upgrade

[SJG13673]

Time for a major Archie Sonic upgrade, let's go.

The higher realm above the Next Evolution will be Virtual Zone, or just location inside the Chaos Force, where Aurora, Athair and Ancient Walkers reside.

As said by Guardian members, those on the plane below can't see those on the plane above, but those above can see those below, etc.

When Knuckles ascended to be one with Chaos Force, he disappeared from the Virtual Zone, leaving Aurora and Athair behind, with Aurora saying that they will get to see each other only from time to time, with Encyclopedia stating that he ascended to a level even Ancient Walkers couldn't achieve, the most experienced chaos users in the verse, a state above time and space - Being one with Chaos Force itself, with Aurora being surprised when she saw Knuckles leaving plane above, and Knuckles' and Aurora's locations being referred to as different planes/realms.

Those in Virtual Zone seem to be still bound by time to some degree, with Aurora and Athair having to wait until arrival of Merlin Prower, where as Knuckles is outside time all together.

It was never explicitly stated that Deities like Aurora and Walkers are directly one with Chaos Force, besides this one, and are much more often referred to and implied as being inside of it.

The cosmology link to see how Next Evolution, Chaos Force and transcendence work.

How scaling is affected:

• Virtual Zone is located between Next Evolution and Chaos Force.
• All 7-D characters are now 8-D.
• Off-Panel is now 9-D by viewing all as fiction.
• Aurora, Walkers and True Enerjak become only Nigh-Omnipresent.

Agree: Theuser, Bernkastelll, Hypercyber

Disagree: LifeRider, Starsprite, Da3ggman

Neutral:

 

[Theuser789]

I tentatively agree.

 

[Starsprite53]

"those on the plane below can't see those on the plane above, but those above can see those below, etc"
How does that imply higher dimensionality exactly?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Time for a major Archie Sonic upgrade, let's go.

The higher realm above the Next Evolution will be Virtual Zone, location inside the Chaos Force, where Aurora, Athair and Ancient Walkers reside.

As said by Guardian members, those on the plane below can't see those on the plane above, but those above can see those below, etc.

When Knuckles ascended to be one with Chaos Force, he disappeared from the Virtual Zone, leaving Aurora and Athair behind, Aurora saying that they will get to see each other only from time to time, with Encyclopedia stating that he ascended to a level even Ancient Walkers couldn't achieve, the most experienced chaos users in the verse, a state above time and space - Being one with Chaos Force itself, with Aurora being surprised when she saw Knuckles leaving plane above, and Knuckles' and Aurora's locations being referred to as different planes/realms.

Those in Virtual Zone seem to be still bound by time to some degree, with Aurora and Athair having to wait until arrival of Merlin Prower, where as Knuckles is outside time all together.

It was never explicitly stated that Deities like Aurora and Walkers are directly one with Chaos Force, besides this one, and are much more often referred to are are implied as being inside of it.

How scaling is affected:

• Virtual Zone is located between Next Evolution and Chaos Force.
• All 7-D characters are now 8-D.
• Off-Panel is now 9-D by viewing all as fiction.
• Aurora, Walkers and True Enerjak become only Nigh-Omnipresent.

Agree: Theuser

Disagree:

Neutral:

For now I agree

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

"those on the plane below can't see those on the plane above, but those above can see those below, etc"
How does that imply higher dimensionality exactly?

If anything, the Next Evolution scaling as a whole should be removed. I'm sure Ultima already pointed it out in a previous thread.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Agree

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

i disagree

"Zector, the Zone Cop version of Vector, states spatial rules are more lax in the Cosmic Interstate, followed immediately a warning to Sonic that entering the No Zone will cause spatial adjusting to take over after they leave. Because the Cosmic Interstate operates under 4 Spatial + 1 Temporal Dimension (compared to a normal universe's 3 Spatial + 1 Temporal to make 4-D), that makes it a Low 1-C (5-D) realm."

I don't get this part of the cosmology blog. as far as I am concerned Occam's razor just dictates that the Universe is 4D not 3D+1D it just is 4D, cause when you say 3D+1D dimensional you are just talking the Pseudo Riemann manifold of the Universe so even if you argue intrinsic curvature its still embedded in a 4D space in non Euclidean geometry (in this case you are only talking about the manifold of the Universe). I've yet to find any proof that adding time to a 4D object results in a 5D object except for when they talk about extrinsic curvature with GR because in this cause the 3D hypersurface would then curve not just to the 4th vector but then curve to the 5th vector with gravity being the 5th dimension. So if we following spacetime rules in non euclidean geometry i don't see the 5th dimension being called gravity so it just seems like a 4D space with time with no superiority there ngl. like imagine adding time to a 4D shape and then it becomes a 5D shape that be funny i ain't gonna lie

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

"those on the plane below can't see those on the plane above, but those above can see those below, etc"
How does that imply higher dimensionality exactly?

it should be like as a 3D being i am viewing a 2D plane as Null to my perspective if they wanted full higher D forgot all the QS stuff for this but basically what they saying I will use a analogy is Plane 1 is 2D and Plane 2 is 3D ie 2D can't see the 3rd vector cause the Z axis is set to null or 0 depending on the conversation or something along those lines might be steelmaning them

also old crt has some stuff thats relevant to this thread

 

[Theuser789]

i disagree

"Zector, the Zone Cop version of Vector, states spatial rules are more lax in the Cosmic Interstate, followed immediately a warning to Sonic that entering the No Zone will cause spatial adjusting to take over after they leave. Because the Cosmic Interstate operates under 4 Spatial + 1 Temporal Dimension (compared to a normal universe's 3 Spatial + 1 Temporal to make 4-D), that makes it a Low 1-C (5-D) realm."

I don't get this part of the cosmology blog. as far as I am concerned Occam's razor just dictates that the Universe is 4D not 3D+1D it just is 4D, cause when you say 3D+1D dimensional you are just talking the Pseudo Riemann manifold of the Universe so even if you argue intrinsic curvature its still embedded in a 4D space in non Euclidean geometry (in this case you are only talking about the manifold of the Universe). I've yet to find any proof that adding time to a 4D object results in a 5D object except for when they talk about extrinsic curvature with GR because in this cause the 3D hypersurface would then curve not just to the 4th vector but then curve to the 5th vector with gravity being the 5th dimension. So if we following spacetime rules in non euclidean geometry i don't see the 5th dimension being called gravity so it just seems like a 4D space with time with no superiority there ngl. like imagine adding time to a 4D shape and then it becomes a 5D shape that be funny i ain't gonna lie

I don't particularly get the disagreement? Archie is still 5D because of Maginaryworld. This doesn't have much to do on what's the OP.

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

I don't particularly get the disagreement? Archie is still 5D because of Maginaryworld. This doesn't have much to do on what's the OP.

Ik i am just pointing this out its weird to just only talk about the Manifold of the Universe in the cosmology blog in reference to the whole Universe if time really does fully = space just say 4D. Yea ik MaginaryWorld is 5D i am not disagreeing with that i am just pointing out why not just say 4D why go out and specifically say "3D+1D" maybe its just me and i am overthinking it.
Though I gotta recheck the Maginary World Crt in all honesty cause memory loss sucks

 

[Theuser789]

But the Cosmic Insterstate has nothing to do with this thread, which is why I don't understand the disagreement.

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

But the Cosmic Insterstate has nothing to do with this thread, which is why I don't understand the disagreement.

Ik it doesn't i am just pointing all a small flaw. before the virtual zone in this is talked about. and the Encyclopedia scan is fine Cause the NeoWalkers are still trying to understand everything about the Chaos force and when they became 4D they didn't cause the chaos force was even higher then 4D. They are on separate planes of existence with being Closer to the connection of the Chaos force itself, like separate planes of existence. One hyperspatial plane is the Universe(if we go by the cosmology blog its a hypersurface with time embedded in a 4D space), the other is the people inside the Chaos force (in a separate plane of existence lets say this is hyperspatial + time embedded into a 5D space for sake of analogy).

The scans showed more aligned with different connections of the chaos force then any higher D stuff i was pointing out the Cosmology blog itself had that one small thing that was already Sus cause i've seen a few people and mods say Space = Time so the blog should reflect that just say 4D it be way easier to understand then talking about the manifold over the whole container.

 

[Starsprite53]

it should be like as a 3D being i am viewing a 2D plane as Null to my perspective if they wanted full higher D forgot all the QS stuff for this but basically what they saying I will use a analogy is Plane 1 is 2D and Plane 2 is 3D ie 2D can't see the 3rd vector cause the Z axis is set to null or 0 depending on the conversation or something along those lines might be steelmaning them

Higher dimensionality isn't always the answer. For instance, consider different planes of existence, Us from the physical plane cannot see people who exist in the astral plane and people from astral plane cannot perceive people from mental plane and so on and so forth

 

[Starsprite53]

Aurora refers to the Virtual Zone as "a repository of all life's experiences- and you are simply reliving yours!"
This doesn't imply any superiority that stacks on top of the Next Evolution,as it's simply a quality that Carrie's over. It's moreso Knuckles overlooking his life story as a ghost.
Also; Off-Panel honestly should be excluded from the impacts of these revisions because I believe @ElixirBlue wanted to either upgrade or downgrade it himself (because R>F is no longer +1D, it defaults to Low 1-A to 1-A).

 

[Da3ggman]

Yeah imma be real I’m not seeing much here to say it’s a whole ass higher dimension, count me as disagree.

 

[ShakeResounding]

OOF, yeah Starsprite brings up a good point about the Virtual Zone. Not sure I agree with an additional dimension here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

But the Cosmic Insterstate has nothing to do with this thread, which is why I don't understand the disagreement.

As it's still a cosmology thread it IS relevant still.

Not too hard to collectively agree here that the evidence is doodoo and remove it.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

I disagree as it seems like a huge leap in logic. I don't much see how it equates to one dimensionality tier higher. Seems like a bit of a stretch. Maybe I'll change my opinion based on the arguments presented, but I'm firm on my stance for now.

 

[Theuser789]

OOF, yeah Starsprite brings up a good point about the Virtual Zone. Not sure I agree with an additional dimension here.

Changing to disagree as well.