4D Mind hax question

[Lloydblitzed]

If X character has let's say Low 2-C AP, and his mind resistances/hax gets stronger the more powerful he gets, should that grant him 4D mind hax resistances?

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

No, there's no reason the mind hax would scale to AP regardless of if it get stronger so you'll need actual mind hax feats/resistance that scale to that level for it to qualify.

It would be like arguing that someone has planetary mind hax because they say their hax gets stronger when they get higher AP and they become planetary.

There's no way to quantify the increase in mind hax/resistance in relation to AP based on only the information present, we can't even define what quality of it gets stronger.

Does it get more layered, does it get a range increase (and how does this range even apply? affecting more people over a wider range or affecting only the same amount of people but at a greater distance), does it get more complex/indepth, does the variety for what they can do with it increase (for instance before they could create illusions now they can alter emotions/memories) etc. - All of these things can be classified as "stronger" mind hax but with 0 information on exactly what they are now capable of there is literally no way to scale AP directly to mind hax/resistance

 

[Johner2133451]

No, there's no reason the mind hax would scale to AP regardless of if it get stronger so you'll need actual mind hax feats/resistance that scale to that level for it to qualify.

It would be like arguing that someone has planetary mind hax because they say their hax gets stronger when they get higher AP and they become planetary.

There's no way to quantify the increase in mind hax/resistance in relation to AP based on only the information present, we can't even define what quality of it gets stronger.

Does it get more layered, does it get a range increase (relevant to the AP), does it get more complex/indepth, does the variety for what they can do with it increase (for instance before they could create illusions now they can alter emotions/memories) etc. - All of these things can be classified as "stronger" mind hax but with 0 information on exactly what they are now capable of there is literally no way to scale AP directly to mind hax/resistance

Ok if a street level gets stronger alongside with it's hax to 4D. Does the hax has any qualitative superiority? Since it the character in question could effect a structure with qualitative superiority via ap https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hax

• Another way an ability can be shown to have smurf potency / power is if it significantly affects a structure of qualitatively superior size. E.g. existence erasure which can affect a (tiering-applicable) higher-dimensional structure or character would qualify. Note that if the ability can't have its potency focused on a small object, it's not necessarily considered to have smurf power / potency. The main advantage of an ability being considered smurf in power / potency is that it is assumed to be able to overpower all resistances that don't have feats or statements of being able to perform on an equal or superior level. That in practice means that, for example, a 3D character that has abilities with Low 1-C smurf potency would be able to overcome all the regular Tier 2 or lower resistances as if they weren't there.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Does the hax has any qualitative superiority?

Blud is still living in 2022, qualitative superiority is 1-A rn.

 

[Johner2133451]

Blud is still living in 2022, qualitative superiority is 1-A rn.

Then why in the hax thread it's mention that having low 1-c hax counts as qualitativer superior?

• Lastly, if it overcomes a resistance which is known to operate on a qualitatively superior level it would also be considered smurf.
  The main advantage of an ability being considered smurf in power / potency is that it is assumed to be able to overpower all resistances that don't have feats or statements of being able to perform on an equal or superior level. That in practice means that, for example, a 3D character that has abilities with Low 1-C smurf potency would be able to overcome all the regular Tier 2 or lower resistances as if they weren't there.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Then why in the hax thread it's mention that having low 1-c hax counts as qualitativer superior?

• Lastly, if it overcomes a resistance which is known to operate on a qualitatively superior level it would also be considered smurf.
  The main advantage of an ability being considered smurf in power / potency is that it is assumed to be able to overpower all resistances that don't have feats or statements of being able to perform on an equal or superior level. That in practice means that, for example, a 3D character that has abilities with Low 1-C smurf potency would be able to overcome all the regular Tier 2 or lower resistances as if they weren't there.

Outdated, I recall in some staff discussion they talked about rewording it to a current policy but the thread died and nobody did iirc.

 

[Johner2133451]

Outdated, I recall in some staff discussion they talked about rewording it to a current policy but the thread died and nobody did iirc.

Hm alright