31x FTL+ Zoro (One Piece)

[Megavert56]

In Skypiea, Zoro is fighting a guy who uses a gun with a flash dial in it. Dials store things and the flash dial stores light, Zoro even calls the flashes from the guns Light. So Zoro goes in the air, the guy follows after and shoots the gun, and zoro dodges mid-air.



^^^SBS Answer from Oda showing Zoro is 178 cm



In his character design we see that he is 359 pixels and his head(and neck) is 59 pixels so his head is 29.2534818942 cm



his head and neck is 70.5762 pixels in the scan meaning each pixel is 0.41449499823 cm line from the gun to zoro's head is 27.58623 pixels so 11.434354355 cm distance from the gun

in the next panel zoro dodges the light blast from the guy.

in the character design page his thigh is 92 pixels so is 45.6155988858 cm




in the scan his thigh is 46.27094 pixels so each pixel in this scan is 0.98583687484 cm

the distance from the shot to zoros head is 65.45991 pixels

2atan(tan(70/2)*(65.45991/349) = 0.177275641 radians so panels angle is 10.157146039802 degrees

plug that into angsize calculator and the line is now 368.29 pixels(363.073862635 cm)

363.073862635/11.434354355 = 31.7528958228

zoro traveled 31.7528958228x the distance of the blast, given the blast was light that means zoro is 31.7528958228 c (FTL+)
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EDIT:
Pre timeskip was on the interviews question

he's labeled the Post and Pre, with the Post being Zoro as 181 cm but Pre being 178 cm from debut to timeskip

 

[ImmortalDread]

Has it been established that the height remains consistent across all scenes? Alternatively, which specific scenario, arc, or timeline was he referring to when he responded to the interviewer's question? (You could ignore the first question if you could answer the second question)

 

[Damage3245]

his head and neck is 70.5762 pixels in the scan meaning each pixel is 0.41449499823 cm line from the gun to zoro's head is 27.58623 pixels so 11.434354355 cm distance from the gun

Zoro's head and the gun are not in the same plane here. You cannot scale a line between Zoro's head and the gun like that.

 

[Megavert56]

Has it been established that the height remains consistent across all scenes? Alternatively, which specific scenario, arc, or timeline was he referring to when he responded to the interviewer's question? (You could ignore the first question if you could answer the second question)

Pre timeskip was on the interviews question

he's labeled the Post and Pre, with the Post being Zoro as 181 cm but Pre being 178 cm from debut to timeskip

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Didn't Zoro get clowned by Kizaru in Sabaody?
This is contradictory scaling.
Light < Skypiea Zoro < Sabaody Zoro <<< Kizaru and his beams

 

[Megavert56]

Didn't Zoro get clowned by Kizaru in Sabaody?
This is contradictory scaling.
Light < Skypiea Zoro < Sabaody Zoro <<< Kizaru and his beams

I already have somewhat of a justification towards this




Zoro in Sabaody was facing major drawbacks simply having to dodge The Pacifista, and they took down like 2-3 of those before fighting Kizaru.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I already have somewhat of a justification towards this




Zoro in Sabaody was facing major drawbacks simply having to dodge The Pacifista, and they took down like 2-3 of those before fighting Kizaru.

That's nice but he clearly wasn't in bad enough shape that he couldn't fight people.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Pre timeskip was on the interviews question

he's labeled the Post and Pre, with the Post being Zoro as 181 cm but Pre being 178 cm from debut to timeskip

Please do note this in OP if you don't mind. Thanks for answering the question.

 

[Megavert56]

That's nice but he clearly wasn't in bad enough shape that he couldn't fight people.

I should have added more context.



This is a litte bit after, around 4 fights in the show later, where Zoro made it clear that every second the fight went longer the weaker and slower he got, and at some point he could hardly move, stamina at the really low side



after 1 beam came in and he got struck that was wraps and his stamina was finished at that point

I know it looks kind of bad but when he was about to get hit he did react but couldn't dodge, and even Kizaru stated that you're a 1 hit knockout? Your exhaustion must've been built up over time

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Zoro was still moving and avoiding the Pacifista in that scene lol

 

[Megavert56]

Zoro was still moving and avoiding the Pacifista in that scene lol

Prove that he was still fighting the Pacifista post that scene I told you he kept getting weaker and could only stay in 1 spot when they took him down

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Look at the first clip, he jumped out of the way.

 

[Megavert56]

Look at the first clip, he jumped out of the way.

I said post that scene, maybe I didnt word it right, i meant after that scene since he made it clear he was getting weaker and slower as time passed and eventually couldnt fight like Luffy or Sanji was

 

[Syncornize]

In Skypiea, Zoro is fighting a guy who uses a gun with a flash dial in it. Dials store things and the flash dial stores light, Zoro even calls the flashes from the guns Light. So Zoro goes in the air, the guy follows after and shoots the gun, and zoro dodges mid-air.



^^^SBS Answer from Oda showing Zoro is 178 cm



In his character design we see that he is 359 pixels and his head(and neck) is 59 pixels so his head is 29.2534818942 cm



his head and neck is 70.5762 pixels in the scan meaning each pixel is 0.41449499823 cm line from the gun to zoro's head is 27.58623 pixels so 11.434354355 cm distance from the gun

in the next panel zoro dodges the light blast from the guy.

in the character design page his thigh is 92 pixels so is 45.6155988858 cm




in the scan his thigh is 46.27094 pixels so each pixel in this scan is 0.98583687484 cm

the distance from the shot to zoros head is 65.45991 pixels

2atan(tan(70/2)*(65.45991/349) = 0.177275641 radians so panels angle is 10.157146039802 degrees

plug that into angsize calculator and the line is now 368.29 pixels(363.073862635 cm)

363.073862635/11.434354355 = 31.7528958228

zoro traveled 31.7528958228x the distance of the blast, given the blast was light that means zoro is 31.7528958228 c (FTL+)
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EDIT:
Pre timeskip was on the interviews question

he's labeled the Post and Pre, with the Post being Zoro as 181 cm but Pre being 178 cm from debut to timeskip

this calculation does not make much sense. In that story arc the characters are not even SOL. Rayleigh clearly tells Luffy that he cannot sense the speed of light. The Mugiwara can't even see Kizaru move using the fruit that is precisely SOL when he moves with that.... at least, this wiki considers it so

 

[Megavert56]

this calculation does not make much sense. In that story arc the characters are not even SOL. Rayleigh clearly tells Luffy that he cannot sense the speed of light. The Mugiwara can't even see Kizaru move using the fruit that is precisely SOL when he moves with that.... at least, this wiki considers it so

Uncanon scene, uncanon movie

 

[Syncornize]

Uncanon scene, uncanon movie

Kizaru's problem would remain. A statment light speed is not enough, yours is a Nominal Fallacy, just because it is stated as light does not imply that it really is, you would have to prove that the dodged attack possesses the same properties as light. Also there is a problem in your calculations, it is more correct to use ang. sizing in dynamics like this, drawing a straight line greatly amplifies the calculation, the distances are too much in perspective to draw a straight line, that cannot be the real distance.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Even if you think the scaling for Kizaru >> Zoro is fucky due to him supposedly being wounded... For what ever reason... There's still Marineford G2 Luffy getting clapped up by Kizaru's casual kick, and Marineford G2 Luffy >>> Skypiea Zoro

 

[Megavert56]

Even if you think the scaling for Kizaru >> Zoro is fucky due to him supposedly being wounded... For what ever reason... There's still Marineford G2 Luffy getting clapped up by Kizaru's casual kick, and Marineford G2 Luffy >>> Skypiea Zoro

Go ahead and prove that

Marineford can't be used to scale whatsoever and is inconsistent. Wasn't this already established? Luffy in Sabaody could easily dodge Light beams that had the same properties/essence as Kizaru, so it would be a contradiction and thus can't be used to debunk FTL pretimeskip Zoro

 

[Damage3245]

@Megavert56 I know you're new and all, but you should know that something like this isn't going to get accepted.

Not just for scaling reasons, the calc is wrong as I pointed out above.

 

[Megavert56]

@Megavert56 I know you're new and all, but you should know that something like this isn't going to get accepted.

Not just for scaling reasons, the calc is wrong as I pointed out above.

I'm not arguing for the Calc anymore, I'm only disagreeing the takes that Monke said

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Go ahead and prove that

Marineford can't be used to scale whatsoever and is inconsistent. Wasn't this already established? Luffy in Sabaody could easily dodge Light beams that had the same properties/essence as Kizaru, so it would be a contradiction and thus can't be used to debunk FTL pretimeskip Zoro

Marineford is only inconsistent in like one or two parts.
To say it's all inconsistent due to a few outliers is a prime example of an association fallacy.
Luffy isn't FTL. Zoro isn't FTL. None of them are FTL pre tineskip.

 

[Megavert56]

Kizaru's problem would remain. A statment light speed is not enough, yours is a Nominal Fallacy, just because it is stated as light does not imply that it really is, you would have to prove that the dodged attack possesses the same properties as light. Also there is a problem in your calculations, it is more correct to use ang. sizing in dynamics like this, drawing a straight line greatly amplifies the calculation, the distances are too much in perspective to draw a straight line, that cannot be the real distance.

Thanks for the feedback and I'll only address the top.

It does indeed possess the same properties as light as

-The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way
-It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
-Said to weild the same properties/effects of actual Light and acts upon them

 

[Megavert56]

Marineford is only inconsistent in like one or two parts.
To say it's all inconsistent due to a few outliers is a prime example of an association fallacy.
Luffy isn't FTL. Zoro isn't FTL. None of them are FTL pre tineskip.

I was wrong in the first part in assuming the entirety was wrong with marineford scaling, I'll agree with that

However why are we going under the assumption that Luffy being blitzed by Kizaru, when he could already dodge Light pre this, is an outlier? It's clearly inconsistent

 

[KingTempest]

What's stopping me from closing this now that the calc is not accepted

(Also who told you about this because somebody just asked me about this a few weeks back)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Gear 2nd Luffy did not get blitzed by kizaru (people need to stop with that misinformation)... He got either outpaced or luffy couldn't move because he was stuck in the air, probably both but he still reacted to kizaru's light 2 times in marineford

In that story arc the characters are not even SOL.

The next arc luffy dodges noro beams

Tho 31x light speed in that arc makes no sense (so does the calc even)

Rayleigh clearly tells Luffy that he cannot sense the speed of light.

No, first it's non canon and second it says you can't see the speed of light

 

[Damage3245]

What's stopping me from closing this now that the calc is not accepted

Nothing, if you'd like the honors.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What's stopping me from closing this now that the calc is not accepted

(Also who told you about this because somebody just asked me about this a few weeks back)

Nothing, you will be called goat and based.

 

[KingTempest]

Yes