2nd Strongest 2-C Non-Smurf - The Creator Vs Oryx, The Taken King

[deonment]

Speed Equal, SBA otherwise

The Creator:

Oryx, The Taken King:

Inconclusive:

 

[deonment]

Alright so what exactly does The Creator lead with, without falling into jrpg character syndrome.

 

[Theglassman12]

Creator endlessly duplicates himself without stopping and has combat applicable Fusionism where he just makes contact with you and he fuses into your body to make another being that serves under the Creator. That and he has countless numbers of crystals and has an army of Maenads with their own crystals and summons, basically he overwhelms you with numbers alone and can throw any and all types of magic at you given crystals grant access to any of the job class abilities in the first 6 games.

 

[deonment]

Creator endlessly duplicates himself without stopping and has combat applicable Fusionism where he just makes contact with you and he fuses into your body to make another being that serves under the Creator. That and he has countless numbers of crystals and has an army of Maenads with their own crystals and summons, basically he overwhelms you with numbers alone and can throw any and all types of magic at you given crystals grant access to any of the job class abilities in the first 6 games.

Yeah, the cloning bit is prolly gonna screw him over cause if oryx "kills", by how sword logic work he would gain to everything the creator can do and resistance to such, and he will definitely be killing him both in part due to how massively far he scales above 2-C, but also how taking counts for such, and as such if he takes the creator (which he will go for, it is his first move in what we have seen of him, but also has a passive iteration of it that will affect any of them that go for the fusionism), he will also gain said the creator's powers and resistances to those powers.
He also likely just can nullify anything they may throw his way that he doesn't already resist, and yes, he can, guardians can just block gorgons trying to erase them from the timeline using a sword, and oryx is superior to them in that regard.

 

[Theglassman12]

That depends if he can kill the Creator when his immortality is rather busted by FF standards and even beings with the crystals are incapable of killing the Creator, plus the whole "composite FF1-6" abilities would grant him access to a wide variety of abilities and he can do the same "copy the powers of others" to some of the FF4 and 6 bosses, who have resistance to being analyzed by other FF members. So just him analyzing Oryx would let him copy all of his abilities and create another Oryx in the end too. Plus again he'd have to deal with an Army of Maenads and so many summons left and right on top of a never ending army of Creators coming.

 

[Quibster]

"composite FF1-6" abilities would grant him access to a wide variety of abilities and he can do the same "copy the powers of others

oh yeah Creator would technically have access to Blue Magic and Mime, right? That may work in Creator's favor actually

 

[deonment]

That depends if he can kill the Creator when his immortality is rather busted by FF standards and even beings with the crystals are incapable of killing the Creator, plus the whole "composite FF1-6" abilities would grant him access to a wide variety of abilities and he can do the same "copy the powers of others" to some of the FF4 and 6 bosses, who have resistance to being analyzed by other FF members. So just him analyzing Oryx would let him copy all of his abilities and create another Oryx in the end too. Plus again he'd have to deal with an Army of Maenads and so many summons left and right on top of a never ending army of Creators coming.

Yeah he aint analyzing Oryx, the man has so much stuff against that that it isn't funny, the Vex, of whom which even fodder are capable of simulating entire universes by themselves and creating entirely perfect copies of people within those, and generate those copies, and an axis mind, which is multiple steps up the wrung from those fodder and which was connected to the entire hive mind, which just read the description

All Vex are connected to a collective mind, and as such all information and knowledge can be transferred between them at will. The Vex as a collective can simulate an infinite amount of universes to near perfection, only being unable to comprehend certain beings such as Oryx, the Taken King. Vex are constantly making predictions and simulating possibilities, allowing them to foresee futures with the utmost accuracy. The Vex mind also spans across space and time, with Vex from pasts and futures also contributing information to the collective mind)

that was entirely focused on figuring out what the **** Oryx was, couldn't, just straight up failed, produced a version of him that was so far in the past he was still female, and was nothing compared to the actual Oryx
Anyways, kill by definition of sword logic is less permanently put down (otherwise oryx wouldn't have gotten "stronger" from killing Savathun or Xivu Arath), but just "overcoming" the person is enough to trigger sword logic, which includes killing them once, also guardians do have most of the notable immortalities and also a better regen, in sunsingers being able to come back from gorgons erasing them from across the timeline, and Oryx can put them down permanently.
Once he kills a single one of them he gains full resistance to all their stuff and doesn't really have to care. And if he really wants to he could just take all of the summons and clones which makes them all now instead fight on his side but stronger, with sword logic, and also with passive taking (but far weaker) themselves.

 

[Theglassman12]

That looks like baseline resistance to information analysis on a 4-D level, Creator’s much more potent than that. Plus copying his powers wouldn’t help when he has resistances towards that and the RE needs some evidence of working on anything and everything FF has with the changes to RE.

@Quibster yeah, he’d have access to that easily.

 

[deonment]

That looks like baseline resistance to information analysis on a 4-D level, Creator’s much more potent than that. Plus copying his powers wouldn’t help when he has resistances towards that and the RE needs some evidence of working on anything and everything FF has with the changes to RE.

The vex already can't simulate weaker paracausal entities, and then when they got one to finally be able to do so with quria it still couldn't do it, and this is just stuff that scales with the paracausal power layers, so ¯\(ツ)/¯
Also yes sword logic should work given it works on literally everything on destiny, which unless there is some obscure power I'm not thinking of (which yes includes fusionism cause just existing in the ascendant plane causes you to lose your "shape" and fuse with others), would be included in the wide berth of powers destiny has.

 

[Theglassman12]

That still sounds baseline to me.

Especially against stuff like Attack reflection? Cause he has that passively with his shields and can reflect all forms of magic, that and The Creator has his own version of evolution where he just evolves rapidly and can render a lot of magical abilities against him inert.

 

[deonment]

That still sounds baseline to me.

Especially against stuff like Attack reflection? Cause he has that passively with his shields and can reflect all forms of magic, that and The Creator has his own version of evolution where he just evolves rapidly and can render a lot of magical abilities against him inert.

How is that baseline, normal vex can't even begin to simulate paracausal stuff, Quria which was specifically made to do so still couldn't do so despite bootlegging its way into the sword logic system, ascending up the hierarchy, and still wasn't close to simulating him.

That attack reflection is gonna need feats or something similar of being able to work on ontological weaponry (which taking is)

The Vex do that exact same thing, they adapt to new stimuli and information and what have you and create new shit to counter or adapt or resist to whatever they are facing, its literally how Quria was created, and they still couldn't properly adapt to Oryx, and Oryx's main method of attack will not be magic anyways

 

[Theglassman12]

@deonment the description you've been giving me just sounds like more 4-D stuff without the layers.

Explain what ontological weaponry even means for Destiny.

So what exactly can he do because again, Creator's duplication is going to overwhelm him by sheer numbers and spammed magic alone.