1st God of War CRT of 2025

[BEASTHEART8800]

Hey.​

Just an expansion to Divine Magic and other general abilities, some resistances, Intelligence upgrades, and a big possible speed upgrade. Part 2 coming soooonnn

Divine Magic addition​

• Immortality Negation(Types 1, 2, 3, 4 &7) (Virtually everyone kills the same creatures as Kratos) 10:55. Atreus and Thor are both capable of forcing out nightmares from helwalkers and killing them. 8:07 Hercules can easily kill numerous undead legionnaires. 27:13 Dragons can one shot seidr and dragr, both of which are undead and can resurrect. Along with already existing examples like Freya and Atreus Killing Valkyries

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

This only applies to anyone and anything that scales to and above GOW 2018 Kratos who we scale to Ares currently, as well as those who scale to Ares​

• Space-Time Manipulation & Void Manipulation Resistance. With enough strength one can close realm tears and withstand them, Sindri States. Another example is Sigrun who's perfectly fine chilling in a realm tear. Garm is another example, as well as Nidhogg.
• Advanced Non-Physical Interaction (Space-Time & Void)

Agree: 1

Disagree:

Neutral:

Champions of Ares​

The warriors of Ares have a magic attack called Ares' Fury which massively increases their strength and durability and gives them a flaming aura. The description states that you become the demigod of war 27:30. In this state lesser warriors should easily be 4-A. It's only for 9 seconds so not enough to warrant a straight up 4-A rating, so it should be specified in their justification that using this briefly grants them 4-A.


Agree: 1


Disagree:

Neutral:

Speaking of the warriors, all of them should have Resistance to

1. Biological Manipulation 0:52 can withstand being stung by the Megara's minions
2. Petrification. 3:15 can break out of Gorgon Petrification.
3. Poison and Acid manipulation At 8:00 can fight through the chimera acidic poison (they already have this, so I guess further justification)

Agree: 1


Disagree:


Neutral :

Kratos regains a few Resistances​

1. Demigod Kratos resistance to Madness Manipulation returns. This thread makes the claim that because the Manual and Gaia state that Kratos was indeed driven mad by the Furies. This is pretty dishonest tbh, The Furies literally confiscated all of Kratos Equipment, and he didn't have the Eyes of Truth, which is a hard counter to them. And he literally broke free and killed Megara, clearly not insane. Admittedly, it is quite vague on how he was driven insane, but it doesn't really matter, as he can still power through the songs of sirens.
2. Power Absorption. This thread canned it, but the justification was also pretty shady. The priest can only drain a very small amount of Kratos magic. Kratos is still very much capable of using his magic abilities. And killing the priest will restore his stolen magic.
3. Chimera's Acidic Poison. The same thread also got rid of this. Honestly, this was even more disingenuous. a literal failed QTE used as the justification for the removal. He is entirely capable of overpowering it's affects. You can even see the poison in the snakes mouth when it bites Kratos, and he doesn't suffer any further damage from that Here at 11:05 MegMage does the QTE successfully, she just didn't dodge or block the attack after that. You can see Kratos shake it off and pull out his blades right after that if you look closely. So this should be making a comeback.

Agree: Pepsi (on madness manip, not on power absorption justification

Disagree:

Neutral:

Atreus Is really smart.​

1. Atreus is currently rated with gifted intelligence, I don't mind this rating, but I feel it's a low-ball honestly. His feats on his page are definitely worth a genius rating. From Mimir and Kratos praising his skill with language, being able to speak dead languages after only hearing them a few times, to his adaptability and skill in combat, literally killed a armies worth of dark elves over the course of almost an entire day.

Agree: 1

Disagree:

Neutral:

Miscellaneous​

1. The Gauntlet of Zeus and Sun Shield be listed as optional equipment rather than standard. They got taken back at the end of Chains of Olympus
2. Resurrection should be removed from Kratos 2018 and Ragnarok keys. He's not the one who carries them, Atreus and Freya carry them, and he can't use them on his own, until Valhalla

I'm sure this is going to be cancerous lol​

Well.......... We've known that Cronos was the creator of time for a while now. And it's been about 2 or 3 years since the Universal energy system CRT. We've also come to know that magic is the primordial essence and source of all physical capabilities in the settings due to Ragnarok.

There's literally no reason why Cronos creating time by literally being born wouldn't scale to his physical speed. UES and Magic being the source of all physical capabilities, should support this. Especially since his very magic was one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the UES in the first place.

I'd say immeasurable speed would actually be pretty consistent.

1. The Sisters of Fate Managing million of threads of Fate, all of which span space and time
2. Thor's shockwaves being able to encompass the entirety of Yggdrasil, an infinite, higher dimensional structure, that each and every strand surpasses time and space, with him being able to use those shockwaves against Kratos, who has no difficulty dodging and blocking them
3. this feat from Nidhogg. She's capable of attacking before even sending her tail in the portal to strike.

Agree:


Disagree: 2


Neutral: 1

 

[Rutæhh]

im fine with everything except immeasurable speed. The only feat i can see being immeasurable would be thor's one but one could simply say its mere range feat

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree with almost everything, just immeasurable speed i will wait for more comments before voting

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

I doubt that with the Sisters of Fate there is an emphasis on reaction. It is more like incredibly scary multitasking, something like how omniscience works, but on a smaller scale.

I will not lie, I am very weak in understanding when they give Immeasurable speed for traveling between worlds, but ... It seems that for Thor's blow you can not give immeasurable speeds? This requires that the shock wave spread through time or something like that. And in all worlds it only comes out in the present time. Maybe I do not understand how it works correctly.

With Nidhog, it is just a strange thing. It is not necessarily immeasurable speed, of course I am picky, but purely visually it feels that in the physical world the speed of the tail is not immeasurable, but quite measurable. This would not give Kratos anything.

 

[Huesito88]

Where's the scan or video on Cronos creating time? (So I can read/watch it)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Where's the scan or video on Cronos creating time? (So I can read/watch it)

There is no, Cronos after being born time is created through his birth, from what i understand from Greek cosmology.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Immortality Negation(Types 1, 2, 3, 4 &7) (Virtually everyone kills the same creatures as Kratos) 10:55. Atreus and Thor are both capable of forcing out nightmares from helwalkers and killing them. 8:07 Hercules can easily kill numerous undead legionnaires. 27:13 Dragons can one shot seidr and dragr, both of which are undead and can resurrect. Along with already existing examples like Freya and Atreus Killing Valkyries

I disagree with most of this, as neither Dragur, Seidr or Legionnaires shown Resurrection from incineration/vaporiztion, which is kinda what seems to be done from Hercules and the Dragons. As for killing Valkyries, no? Not even 2018 Kratos can kill them that way, that's why it's in his Ragnarok key only.

As for nightmare forcing, ig that's true, but I don't see why this would apply to all beings rather then these characters.

This only applies to anyone and anything that scales to and above GOW 2018 Kratos who we scale to Ares currently, as well as those who scale to Ares​

• Space-Time Manipulation & Void Manipulation Resistance. With enough strength one can close realm tears and withstand them, Sindri States. Another example is Sigrun who's perfectly fine chilling in a realm tear. Garm is another example, as well as Nidhogg.
• Advanced Non-Physical Interaction (Space-Time & Void)

I can agree to this, as it's a ability gained from enough pure strength.

Champions of Ares​

The warriors of Ares have a magic attack called Ares' Fury which massively increases their strength and durability and gives them a flaming aura. The description states that you become the demigod of war 27:30. In this state lesser warriors should easily be 4-A. It's only for 9 seconds so not enough to warrant a straight up 4-A rating, so it should be specified in their justification that using this briefly grants them 4-A.

Speaking of the warriors, all of them should have Resistance to

1. Biological Manipulation 0:52 can withstand being stung by the Megara's minions
2. Petrification. 3:15 can break out of Gorgon Petrification.
3. Poison and Acid manipulation At 8:00 can fight through the chimera acidic poison (they already have this, so I guess further justification

Sure.

Demigod Kratos resistance to Madness Manipulation returns. This thread makes the claim that because the Manual and Gaia state that Kratos was indeed driven mad by the Furies. This is pretty dishonest tbh, The Furies literally confiscated all of Kratos Equipment, and he didn't have the Eyes of Truth, which is a hard counter to them. And he literally broke free and killed Megara, clearly not insane. Admittedly, it is quite vague on how he was driven insane, but it doesn't really matter, as he can still power through the songs of sirens.

I do agree he should keep his resistance from Sirens and the Furies, but for the Furies aspect, he was made insane, it's just that with stilling his mind he can overpower their effects.

Power Absorption. This thread canned it, but the justification was also pretty shady. The priest can only drain a very small amount of Kratos magic. Kratos is still very much capable of using his magic abilities. And killing the priest will restore his stolen magic.

I disagree, I do agree Kratos resists power Absorption, just not from this feat.

Chimera's Acidic Poison. The same thread also got rid of this. Honestly, this was even more disingenuous. a literal failed QTE used as the justification for the removal. He is entirely capable of overpowering it's affects. You can even see the poison in the snakes mouth when it bites Kratos, and he doesn't suffer any further damage from that Here at 11:05 MegMage does the QTE successfully, she just didn't dodge or block the attack after that. You can see Kratos shake it off and pull out his blades right after that if you look closely. So this should be making a comeback.

Yeah I agree.

Atreus Is really smart.​

1. Atreus is currently rated with gifted intelligence, I don't mind this rating, but I feel it's a low-ball honestly. His feats on his page are definitely worth a genius rating. From Mimir and Kratos praising his skill with language, being able to speak dead languages after only hearing them a few times, to his adaptability and skill in combat, literally killed a armies worth of dark elves over the course of almost an entire day.

Yeah I definitely agree here.

Miscellaneous​

1. The Gauntlet of Zeus and Sun Shield be listed as optional equipment rather than standard. They got taken back at the end of Chains of Olympus
2. Resurrection should be removed from Kratos 2018 and Ragnarok keys. He's not the one who carries them, Atreus and Freya carry them, and he can't use them on his own, until Valhalla

Sure.

I'm sure this is going to be cancerous lol​

Well.......... We've known that Cronos was the creator of time for a while now. And it's been about 2 or 3 years since the Universal energy system CRT. We've also come to know that magic is the primordial essence and source of all physical capabilities in the settings due to Ragnarok.

There's literally no reason why Cronos creating time by literally being born wouldn't scale to his physical speed. UES and Magic being the source of all physical capabilities, should support this. Especially since his very magic was one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the UES in the first place.

I disagree, the way UES works is X attack has X speed and thus scales to the user, time doesn't have a speed as it doesn't move a distance, it's just what we use to calculate speed, hence I don't think you can get any type of speed from this, but admittedly I'm not that knowledgeable on it so I'll rather let others decide.

The Sisters of Fate Managing million of threads of Fate, all of which span space and time

I'd say this is more infinite speed rather then immeasurable.

Thor's shockwaves being able to encompass the entirety of Yggdrasil, an infinite, higher dimensional structure, that each and every strand surpasses time and space, with him being able to use those shockwaves against Kratos, who has no difficulty dodging and blocking them

The same as above.

this feat from Nidhogg. She's capable of attacking before even sending her tail in the portal to strike.

I disagree, Nidhogg stuff is more so Space-Time Manipulation given her use of portals and Bifrost, rather then pure speed.

 

[Huesito88]

There is no, Cronos after being born time is created through his birth, from what i understand from Greek cosmology.

Ok, then my thoughts on that feat is "Cronos creating time" is unquantifiable in speed

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I mean it makes sense... Cronos is depicted to be the one from where time itself was born. We know in greek mythology there are two layers of time stacked over one another from perpendicular axis and if Cronos created the first layer of time with his mere birth then he should be granted immeasurable speed from there by default imo.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

im fine with everything except immeasurable speed. The only feat i can see being immeasurable would be thor's one but one could simply say its mere range feat

I will not lie, I am very weak in understanding when they give Immeasurable speed for traveling between worlds, but ... It seems that for Thor's blow you can not give immeasurable speeds? This requires that the shock wave spread through time or something like that. And in all worlds it only comes out in the present time. Maybe I do not understand how it works correctly.

Thor's shockwaves are a speed feat because Kratos reacts and dodges them essentially, but we consider them to be only infinite in speed as they cover the whole Yggdrasil but do not travel back in time as Jorme did. This was all covered in a past CRT.

I doubt that with the Sisters of Fate there is an emphasis on reaction. It is more like incredibly scary multitasking, something like how omniscience works, but on a smaller scale.

Multi tasking is considered a speed feat, and the Sisters legit easily detect vibrations in the threads and then expertly react to the incoming quivers and shakes in a thread across it's entirety in real time and then re-adjusting them meticulously to produce outcomes that align with their views, albeit we only consider this to be infinite as the threads themselves would be infinite in length given what they span.

With Nidhog, it is just a strange thing. It is not necessarily immeasurable speed, of course I am picky, but purely visually it feels that in the physical world the speed of the tail is not immeasurable, but quite measurable. This would not give Kratos anything.

Yeah Nidhogg is more so Space-Time stuff.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Where's the scan or video on Cronos creating time? (So I can read/watch it)

It's in the 2018 Comic-Con Panel, where they showed various concept arts of Kratos, and one of them states that Kratos's bloodline is cursed by the cycle of patricide, a cycle of sons killing their fathers that "traces back to the very beginning of time", and it starts with Cronos, whose birth is that of time, as per a conversation with Ariel Lawrence, the writer of God of War 2, there's other stuff as well, like his magic working with the Amulet of the Fates to manipulate time.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's in the 2018 Comic-Con Panel, where they showed various concept arts of Kratos, and one of them states that Kratos's bloodline is cursed by the cycle of patricide, a cycle of sons killing their fathers that "traces back to the very beginning of time", and it starts with Cronos, whose birth is that of time, as per a conversation with Ariel Lawrence, the writer of God of War 2, there's other stuff as well, like his magic working with the Amulet of the Fates to manipulate time.

It's all blank, to be honest you should stop using these images that are blank.

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

It's all blank, to be honest you should stop using these images that are blank.

Just fixed them, they should work now.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Just fixed them, they should work now.

Thanks, it works perfectly now.

 

[Cire]

Where can I read the CRT on universal creation?

 

[Huzy]

Thor's shockwaves are a speed feat because Kratos reacts and dodges them essentially, but we consider them to be only infinite in speed as they cover the whole Yggdrasil but do not travel back in time as Jorme did. This was all covered in a past CRT.

Does Yggdrasil itself not encompass all of time?

 

[Pepsimanslover_69]

Does Yggdrasil itself not encompass all of time?

It does, it's just the shockwaves didn't travel back in time as Jormungandr did. Of course all of the time traveling stuff is through damaging the tree.

 

[Eseseso]

Hey.​

Just an expansion to Divine Magic and other general abilities, some resistances, Intelligence upgrades, and a big possible speed upgrade. Part 2 coming soooonnn

Divine Magic addition​

• Immortality Negation(Types 1, 2, 3, 4 &7) (Virtually everyone kills the same creatures as Kratos) 10:55. Atreus and Thor are both capable of forcing out nightmares from helwalkers and killing them. 8:07 Hercules can easily kill numerous undead legionnaires. 27:13 Dragons can one shot seidr and dragr, both of which are undead and can resurrect. Along with already existing examples like Freya and Atreus Killing Valkyries

Valkyries are not a good example, and the rest are kind of high-tiers. Neutral.

This only applies to anyone and anything that scales to and above GOW 2018 Kratos who we scale to Ares currently, as well as those who scale to Ares​

• Space-Time Manipulation & Void Manipulation Resistance. With enough strength one can close realm tears and withstand them, Sindri States. Another example is Sigrun who's perfectly fine chilling in a realm tear. Garm is another example, as well as Nidhogg.

Resistance to both of those is fine.

• Advanced Non-Physical Interaction (Space-Time & Void)

Agree

Champions of Ares​

The warriors of Ares have a magic attack called Ares' Fury which massively increases their strength and durability and gives them a flaming aura. The description states that you become the demigod of war 27:30. In this state lesser warriors should easily be 4-A. It's only for 9 seconds so not enough to warrant a straight up 4-A rating, so it should be specified in their justification that using this briefly grants them 4-A.

Speaking of the warriors, all of them should have Resistance to

1. Biological Manipulation 0:52 can withstand being stung by the Megara's minions
2. Petrification. 3:15 can break out of Gorgon Petrification.
3. Poison and Acid manipulation At 8:00 can fight through the chimera acidic poison (they already have this, so I guess further justification)

Agree

Kratos regains a few Resistances​

1. Demigod Kratos resistance to Madness Manipulation returns. This thread makes the claim that because the Manual and Gaia state that Kratos was indeed driven mad by the Furies. This is pretty dishonest tbh, The Furies literally confiscated all of Kratos Equipment, and he didn't have the Eyes of Truth, which is a hard counter to them. And he literally broke free and killed Megara, clearly not insane. Admittedly, it is quite vague on how he was driven insane, but it doesn't really matter, as he can still power through the songs of sirens.
2. Power Absorption. This thread canned it, but the justification was also pretty shady. The priest can only drain a very small amount of Kratos magic. Kratos is still very much capable of using his magic abilities. And killing the priest will restore his stolen magic.
3. Chimera's Acidic Poison. The same thread also got rid of this. Honestly, this was even more disingenuous. a literal failed QTE used as the justification for the removal. He is entirely capable of overpowering it's affects. You can even see the poison in the snakes mouth when it bites Kratos, and he doesn't suffer any further damage from that Here at 11:05 MegMage does the QTE successfully, she just didn't dodge or block the attack after that. You can see Kratos shake it off and pull out his blades right after that if you look closely. So this should be making a comeback.

What Pepsiman said.

Atreus Is really smart.​

1. Atreus is currently rated with gifted intelligence, I don't mind this rating, but I feel it's a low-ball honestly. His feats on his page are definitely worth a genius rating. From Mimir and Kratos praising his skill with language, being able to speak dead languages after only hearing them a few times, to his adaptability and skill in combat, literally killed a armies worth of dark elves over the course of almost an entire day.

Sure

Miscellaneous​

1. The Gauntlet of Zeus and Sun Shield be listed as optional equipment rather than standard. They got taken back at the end of Chains of Olympus
2. Resurrection should be removed from Kratos 2018 and Ragnarok keys. He's not the one who carries them, Atreus and Freya carry them, and he can't use them on his own, until Valhalla

Sure

I'm sure this is going to be cancerous lol​

Well.......... We've known that Cronos was the creator of time for a while now. And it's been about 2 or 3 years since the Universal energy system CRT. We've also come to know that magic is the primordial essence and source of all physical capabilities in the settings due to Ragnarok.

There's literally no reason why Cronos creating time by literally being born wouldn't scale to his physical speed. UES and Magic being the source of all physical capabilities, should support this. Especially since his very magic was one of the strongest pieces of evidence for the UES in the first place.

I'd say immeasurable speed would actually be pretty consistent.

1. The Sisters of Fate Managing million of threads of Fate, all of which span space and time
2. Thor's shockwaves being able to encompass the entirety of Yggdrasil, an infinite, higher dimensional structure, that each and every strand surpasses time and space, with him being able to use those shockwaves against Kratos, who has no difficulty dodging and blocking them
3. this feat from Nidhogg. She's capable of attacking before even sending her tail in the portal to strike.

Neutral

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Where's the scan or video on Cronos creating time? (So I can read/watch it)

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/v...ByFED0X.png/revision/latest?cb=20220915091116 it's on the explanation page, but I should have included it here forgive me.

This requires that the shock wave spread through time or something like that.

look close 1:17 You can actually see Thor's lightning shockwaves disappear alongside Jormungandr implying they very well traveled with him

I disagree with most of this, as neither Dragur, Seidr or Legionnaires shown Resurrection from incineration/vaporiztion, which is kinda what seems to be done from Hercules and the Dragons

You're right in the sense that they haven't shown resurrection from incineration 5:50 but enemies are all pretty capable of killing each other. Cyclops have no problem killing undead legionnaires by smashing them, same with ogres in the new games.

And it doesn't exactly require complete annihilation to destroy them, Freya, Thor, Atreus, Thrud can all kill them with simple cqc

As for killing Valkyries, no? Not even 2018 Kratos can kill them that way, that's why it's in his Ragnarok key only.

I mean he literally snaps a Valkyries neck in Ragnarok. He's not THAT much more powerful tbh. There's literally no reason he shouldn't be able to kill them in 2018. Especially considering how the goal is to free them from their corrupted states

As for nightmare forcing, ig that's true, but I don't see why this would apply to all beings rather then these characters.

Because Freya is also capable of forcing them out, but yeah I understand you. There's no reason anyone else shouldn't be able to do the same, but I guess this is pretty vague

I can agree to this, as it's a ability gained from enough pure strength.

It's pretty similar to Buu saga characters who have portal creation based on scaling to Super Buu

I disagree, the way UES works is X attack has X speed and thus scales to the user, time doesn't have a speed as it doesn't move a distance, it's just what we use to calculate speed, hence I don't think you can get any type of speed from this, but admittedly I'm not that knowledgeable on it so I'll rather let others decide.

Fair enough. Tbh, some of the shit on here is probably some stuff that's for a site wide CRT. I'm not that knowledgeable on it either honestly other than the basics, which is why I was hesitant to include some things here.

I disagree, Nidhogg stuff is more so Space-Time Manipulation given her use of portals and Bifrost, rather then pure speed.

Bifrost would absolutely scale due to UES, and she has to open portals to use them to attack, in those moments she strikes before even reaching for the portal.

I'm pretty sold on this one.

I'd say this is more infinite speed rather then immeasurable

Why? The sisters hold power over time, and Kratos pretty much straight up says the threads of Fate span all of life and time.

I disagree, I do agree Kratos resists power Absorption, just not from this feat.

Ok fair enough

It does, it's just the shockwaves didn't travel back in time as Jormungandr did. Of course all of the time traveling stuff is through damaging the tree.

Encompassesing (is that a word? lol) something that itself encompasses all of time and surpasses it is immeasurable

 

[Zabazab]

Immortality Negation(Types 1

I have to ask, do they make Type 1 Immortals age to death? If not, this shouldn't be here.

 

[Eseseso]

I have to ask, do they make Type 1 Immortals age to death? If not, this shouldn't be here.

I've always thought the same thing, tbh.

 

[Hellbeast]

Me looking at the OP:

But anyway

Neutral but leaning to disagree on Immortality Negation

Agree with the Realm Tear stuff

Agree on the Ares Champ scaling, I actually wanted to bring this up at one point

I’m fine with Madness (the Furies could easily be overcoming his resistances) and Ackd but not Power Absorption.

We have no reason to believe the absorption is so minuscule only because of Kratos’ resistance, it’s only shown taking slivers of health and magic and Kratos taking it back (likely via his Blades sucking Life-Force more then me after too many drinks) doesn’t cut it as justification for a resistance imo

Neutral on Atreus intelligence

And I’m just having popcorn for the Immeasurable arguments