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Bang vs Jiraiya | [0-8-0] (Concluded)

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  • Speed is equalized
  • Part 2 Jiraiya is used
  • Both start 20 meters away from each other

Fight takes place here:
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Silver Fang:

Toad Sage: Arkenis, Arkansalter2, Pluto321, Foriaa , AlternativePrinciple ,MaskedDragon908, karo_senpaii, DavidTPPM

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So Bang is almost exactly 3x stronger and a lot more skilled h2h.
However Jiraya absolutely dwarfs him in hax. Bang is going to be fighting countless massive toads that are shooting long range attacks alongside Jiraya
 
Delusionaltx2 said:
isn't Base Bang 1.88x weaker than Base Jiraya? Or are you referring to them at their respective peaks?
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Yeah but it's not like Bang is going to see a dude spawn 3 giant toads twice as strong as himself and shoot fireballs out his ass while clearly preparing something (SM) and not use awakening breath
 
Pretty sure Bang can deal with most if not all of Jiraiya's hax by using WSRSF. Is there anything I'm missing?
 
Kachon123 said:
He should be able to null this, just not sure why he doesn't have it on his profile. Someone must have missed it when the Willpower page got removed and the abilities on it got put on individual profiles
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It’s layered, by creating a genjutsu world it traps its victims in it and seals them via sound
 
Kachon123 said:
He should be able to null this, just not sure why he doesn't have it on his profile. Someone must have missed it when the Willpower page got removed and the abilities on it got put on individual profiles
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It's layered. He's getting cooked.

Jiraiya is probably going to fight him for a while, see he can't defeat him easily, summon some toads to fight him and then start running until he activates sage mode. By then it's wraps with the genjutsu
 
MrTayman616 said:
Where can i see the layers? (Not related to this fight, as Bang didn't get resistance to BFR)
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Here
Kachon123 said:
Pretty sure Bang can deal with most if not all of Jiraiya's hax by using WSRSF. Is there anything I'm missing?
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Ngl I don't see how it's countering most of Jirayas actually decent shenanigans.
Shadow based paralysis, sealing, and genjutsu are all not really parriable.
Bang also can't sense or interact with nature energy so he's not doing anything to frog kata.

And his summons make this all so much worse. At least 3 giant toads of comparable stats to Jiraya, 2 toads in Jirayas shoulders that can paralyze you with a scream, the toad stomach that traps the opponent in an acidic/poisonous stomach, the toad that BFRs you, etc.

So not only is Bang fighting against a pretty big number disadvantage but a good chunk of the actually threatening abilities can't just be deflected.
 
Ngl the toad acid stomach is enough. All Jiraiya has to do is summon it. Keep forgetting he has that busted summoning.
 
I thought I said this already (wth happened), but uh the ap advantage Bang has won't matter once Jiraiya starts whipping out rasengans and sm yeah? Also ik Bang's pretty skillful but it doesn't read very well in his intel section or martial arts section. Jiraiya's basically got the same experienced if not more in terms of time, I just don't see Bang having a great upper hand in h2h here.
 
Kachon123 said:
Awakening breath Analytical prediction and superior AP gets the job done easily.
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Not to mention the fact that Jiraiya has no idea just how outmatched he is in cqc. The second he tries to trade blows with Bang its over. The fact that there's a FRA train because of a genjutsu that he feasibly wouldn't be able to pull off is insane to me.
 
Kachon123 said:
Awakening breath Analytical prediction and superior AP gets the job done easily.
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Kachon123 said:
Not to mention the fact that Jiraiya has no idea just how outmatched he is in cqc. The second he tries to trade blows with Bang its over. The fact that there's a FRA train because of a genjutsu that he feasibly wouldn't be able to pull off is insane to me.
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Sage mode has better ESP, analytical prediction and danger sense far better than what bang has. He also has attack reflection similar to wsmfr.

Not to mention the massive speed and reaction amp from sage mode and shunshin . Mind you every single frog he's whipping out has all this on a greater level than jiraiya.

The chances of bang surviving this is very low already. Add in genjutsu and it's wraps
 
Kachon123 said:
Awakening breath Analytical prediction and superior AP gets the job done easily.
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His not analytically predicting substitutions, even the sharingan can’t do so and judging by his profiles justification his analytical prediction isn’t that good.
Kachon123 said:
Not to mention the fact that Jiraiya has no idea just how outmatched he is in cqc. The second he tries to trade blows with Bang its over. The fact that there's a FRA train because of a genjutsu that he feasibly wouldn't be able to pull off is insane to me.
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The moment he tries to go h2h and sees the difference in strength he substitutes out of there, summons the frog stomach to trap Bang while he gathers nature energy and summon Ma/Pa. Even if bang breaks out of the frog stomach Jiraiya can trap him again in Toad Gourd Prison which is a spatial-temporally separate dimension which bang has no way of escaping.

Bang won’t understand what Jiraiya is doing as his unable to sense nature energy meaning to him Jiraiya is just sitting/standing still this assuming he got out of the previous two summons and can track Jiraiya while fighting multiple large toads. furthermore once Ma and Pa are summoned they will use long ranged attacks such as Genjutsu
 
Bang does eclipse Jiraya in h2h combat skill but Jiraya doesn't normally start with h2h combat anyway but rather long range fire, oil, and hair attacks leading into summonings.

And he's very analytical. He'd notice Bang is constantly trying to get close without using any long range abilities and figure out he probably can't fight at long range but is likely very dangerous at close range meaning he should avoid him pretty comfortably.
 
Toad Sage and his many toads have many different approaches to taking out Mr. Attack Reflection.

Minor tangent: Substitution jutsu is a get-out-of-jail-free card that most verses just don't have. How do you even counter it?

Everyone seems to agree that Jiraiya has a massive versatility advantage and Bang has a CQC advantage, so there's not much else to elaborate on. Masked will go ahead and vote for Jiraiya, simply due to the many options he has in his arsenal, including Sealing and Genjutsu.
 
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