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Kamen Rider Buffa VS Tomura Shigaraki: Impasse Of Ideals (10-6-0) MATCH CONCLUDED

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I got bored waiting for replies in the previous battle, so I'm going forward with my next battle. I am now officially a character spammer. Buffa is expected to have one more battle after these two.

By sending Deku and the others on a wild goose chase, which had led him to being put out of commission, Shigaraki sets his plan in motion; the destruction of Japan as a whole. With no one to stand in his way, this will be done and dusted in no time, finally realising his dream of toppling the society of heroes.

As it turns out, there is one man within his line of sight, who isn't running from his path of destruction like the others. In fact, this man stares right at him like he's some nuisance; a roadblock stopping the former from doing something. Meanwhile, this man, known as Michinaga, has a similar goal with Shigaraki: toppling over the Desire Grand Prix by winning it and destroying every Kamen Rider in it. But if this bastard is going to level everything, he might as well kiss that ideal world goodbye.

"There won't be a Desire Grand Prix if the world's getting destroyed," Shigaraki could hear him muttering to himself. "Gotta stop this now, or I'll never get my ideal wish!"

The fact that he suddenly transforms into a purple thing leads him to think he's some unknown hero that he isn't aware about.

"Who are you supposed to be?" Shigaraki snickers. Apparently, some no name can just strut into the presence of one of, if not, the most fearsome villain the world has ever seen. "No matter, you'll be a part of my destruction anyway."

"Kamen Rider Buffa," Michinaga replies. "I still need this world, so I can't let you wreak havoc. Prepare to be crushed!"

With that, their fight begins.

Keys and Versions used:​

Divergence Arc Kamen Rider Buffa in Zombie & Jyamato Form (7-C) & Complete Shigaraki (High 6-A). Nothing is restricted for Shigaraki, but Boost and Command Twin Buckles are restricted for Buffa.

Location:​

Shizuoka. Starting Distance is 75 meters.

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Battle Conditions:​

  • Both are in character, but willing to win.
  • Win Condition is by any means necessary, so killing is not off the table.
  • Speed is NOT equalized
  • Standard Equipment Only
  • Everything else unmentioned will be according to SBA

Votings:​


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His main shit are these:



His innate ability gives him this:
Which is ultimately minor since Buffa has quite the amount of Ls in the series. Just know that this is to either eek out a very close win or close out a win he's already winning.

Might be few more things that I have not mentioned that can be read in his profile, but these are basically his meat and potatoes.
 
He resists deconstruction to start, since every rider and their mothers can tank his hodgepodge of acid and poison
 
His main shit are these:



His innate ability gives him this:
Which is ultimately minor since Buffa has quite the amount of Ls in the series. Just know that this is to either eek out a very close win or close out a win he's already winning.

Might be few more things that I have not mentioned that can be read in his profile, but these are basically his meat and potatoes.
if he doesnt have flight then this might be a stomp because widespread decay
 
Interesting. Does he have any sort of dura negation and/or DC to take out the flesh fortress?

He doesn't have dura neg, but his left arm and Zombie Breaker chainsaw sword can can all kinds of poisons upon contact, most notably the poi-zom (which I explained at the ability spoiler tab) that can put the flesh fortress into zombie-like state by relaxing their muscles and causing Shigaraki to lose control them again (if they work like his limbs or something), all the while they dissolve from the acid. It can spread, but idk how fast it'd be since the flesh fortress size seems big. Not to mention, Shiggy might be able to adapt and spit them out, but he'd only be resisting one part of his hax, which contain multiple abilities packed into one technique.

Like with all Kamen Riders, Buffa can also cause explosions with certain attacks. And Shiggy won't be able to regenerate new ones (I think) on the account that Buffa has mid-high regen neg.

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Because this thing is just gonna spam decay, radio waves, rivet stabs and extended arms everywhere
Do radio waves do any damage in terms of hax?
Rivet stabs can work as roadblock for Buffa as he has to weave through them, though depending on their size, there's a chance he can use them as additional platforms. I also figure he can counter rivet stabs by incorporating his vines, which can spread a huge area, to block those attacks.

Being this big does allow Buffa to be able to traverse his body like a platform too, while being aided by vines and his own zombie hands for extra support.
 
He doesn't have dura neg, but his left arm and Zombie Breaker chainsaw sword can can all kinds of poisons upon contact, most notably the poi-zom (which I explained at the ability spoiler tab) that can put the flesh fortress into zombie-like state by relaxing their muscles and causing Shigaraki to lose control them again (if they work like his limbs or something), all the while they dissolve from the acid
Shiggy has full body control and can generate new limbs without any issue (if he even loses control of his limbs, which I doubt), he can even just shed a new body if he feels like it.

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(This "shedding" completely healed his entire body despite him being unable to use his quirks, including regeneration, at this point. So it's pretty much just an insta-revive to max HP)


And the acid seems relatively slow to me. Shigaraki will have more than enough time to either spit it out by making mouths (which he can do with instinctive reactions and almost immediately after coming in contact with it) all over his body or just ignore it via super regeneration.

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Plus Buffa would have to do all that while hopping from platform to platform, assuming Shiggy doesn't grab and decay his platform, or send him flying with an Air Cannon into the contaminated decay zone.

Also idk if deconstruction resistance can resist acid, but he also has that.

Like with all Kamen Riders, Buffa can also cause explosions with certain attacks. And Shiggy won't be able to regenerate new ones (I think) on the account that Buffa has mid-high regen neg.
Depends on how the regen negation works, but normally it would take pretty much a full destruction of his body to kill him, since Shigaraki can grow a new body from just his head (since he should have the abilities of every other Nomu including Hood)

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(Hood was pretty much scorched to dust with only a small chunk of his head remaining and he still regrew his whole body almost immediately)

And Buffa's explosions would have to be big enough to cover the entire flesh fortress (assuming he has to resort to using it), because otherwise Shigaraki is just gonna continue to expand until the explosions would no longer be able to cover his entire body.

Do radio waves do any damage in terms of hax?
Rivet stabs can work as roadblock for Buffa as he has to weave through them, though depending on their size, there's a chance he can use them as additional platforms. I also figure he can counter rivet stabs by incorporating his vines, which can spread a huge area, to block those attacks.
Radio Wave + Air Cannon + Heavy Payload combined have been shown creating large explosions with electricity (Shigaraki rarely uses Radio Waves alone without buffing them).
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And Air Cannon by itself is just gonna be a Class P wind blast that's gonna send him flying off his platforms and into decay's range (If Shiggy is in the Flesh Fortress form, then decay is just gonna continue to spread as long as he's touching something and will take minutes to cover entire cities, if not regions).

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It was stated that the entire Shizuoka Prefecture (which according to Google is about 7,780 km²) would be decayed in an "instant" if Shigaraki wanted to. But at worst, Decay at its strongest would be a significantly faster than an Incomplete Shigaraki's, who took roughly a minute to delete a city (using the anime timeframe in the video, if it doesn't open just search "The Return of Shigaraki" on the Crunchyroll youtube channel)

As for the rivet stabs, it might actually backfire to use them as platforms or even touch them, considering Shigaraki can just decay the tendril. But even if you want to say he never did that in canon, Shiggy isn't an idiot, he'll immediately stop spamming them if Buffa somehow turns them against him.

Edit: added scans for the people too lazy to look over his profile, so they don't think I'm making stuff up.
 
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Well that at least alerts of him of any potential surprises that seemingly happen out of nowhere and that combined with his ability to predict an opponent capable of blitzing him several times over is gonna help him out a lot here.
 
Shiggy has full body control and can generate new limbs without any issue (if he even loses control of his limbs, which I doubt), he can even just shed a new body if he feels like it.

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(This "shedding" completely healed his entire body despite him being unable to use his quirks, including regeneration, at this point. So it's pretty much just an insta-revive to max HP)


And the acid seems relatively slow to me. Shigaraki will have more than enough time to either spit it out by making mouths (which he can do with instinctive reactions and almost immediately after coming in contact with it) all over his body or just ignore it via super regeneration.

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I'm not really seeing why Shiggy would still be able to use his extra limbs upon any form of contact with Buffa's arsenal. Firstly, the scan does show that he still got affected by it for a small moment. So anything and everything the poi-zom has would already be applied to him by the time it enters his system. Even his mouth things are able to spit them out, the acidic part can still damage him as they try to get them out, while the effects of the poi-zom would kick in with or without the poison itself as long as it has been administered already.

Secondly, they aren't just stings, they can vary from that to whole ass slashes. Coupled by the fact a chainsaw can rip and tear through flesh rather easily, he'd have a harder time dealing with the poi-zom, especially since the part that's ripped apart wouldn't be able to grow mouths while it's being shredded.

Shedding may work if it hasn't spread to the 'new' parts of Shigaraki's body. Otherwise, the effect would still persist. It does have the problem where those new parts are wide open for stray vines or some other attacks Buffa can dish out. So there's that.

Plus Buffa would have to do all that while hopping from platform to platform, assuming Shiggy doesn't grab and decay his platform, or

Problem is, his resistance extends to the energy hands and vines, since those as well as other equipments from Geats are able to trade blows with the chainsword and left-hand gauntlet. Cutting the vines via other means are fair game.

Also idk if deconstruction resistance can resist acid, but he also has that.
I'm actually unsure. The acid does have corrosive properties as well as deconstructive properties (at least the ones from Geats).

Depends on how the regen negation works, but normally it would take pretty much a full destruction of his body to kill him, since Shigaraki can grow a new body from just his head (since he should have the abilities of every other Nomu including Hood)

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(Hood was pretty much scorched to dust with only a small chunk of his head remaining and he still regrew his whole body almost immediately)

Buffa (and other Geats Riders)'s regen neg are simply just regen neg. Their attacks can just negate the regeneration without any further explanation. They didn't alway have this at first, since they initially couldn't kill off the Jyamato Riders that could regen from becoming ash (Kamen Rider finishers usually do not leave traces of the enemy save for dust I guess), until they could. So yea, even a slice can be dangerous since you can't regen that injured area anymore, though Shigaraki still has a fighting chance as long as his really vital parts aren't hit. And I'm not sure how this interacts with him shedding his old body for his new one.

And Buffa's explosions would have to be big enough to cover the entire flesh fortress (assuming he has to resort to using it), because otherwise Shigaraki is just gonna continue to expand until the explosions would no longer be able to cover his entire body.
Buffa should scale to Geats' DC, where the latter can explode two gigantic enemies on separate occasions. Both monsters are type 2 in size at their max peak (since the latter monster can grow in size).

Radio Wave + Air Cannon + Heavy Payload combined have been shown creating large explosions with electricity (Shigaraki rarely uses Radio Waves alone without buffing them).

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He should be fine against the electricities due to his resistance, and his vines should be able to defend him from the AP of the explosion, though they get poofed in his place.

send him flying with an Air Cannon into the contaminated decay zone.
And Air Cannon by itself is just gonna be a Class P wind blast that's gonna send him flying off his platforms and into decay's range (If Shiggy is in the Flesh Fortress form, then decay is just gonna continue to spread as long as he's touching something and will take minutes to cover entire cities, if not regions).

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It was stated that the entire Shizuoka Prefecture (which according to Google is about 7,780 km²) would be decayed in an "instant" if Shigaraki wanted to. But at worst, Decay at its strongest would be a significantly faster than an Incomplete Shigaraki's, who took roughly a minute to delete a city (using the anime timeframe in the video, if it doesn't open just search "The Return of Shigaraki" on the Crunchyroll youtube channel)

As for the air cannon, his vines should be able to wrap around any available part of Shiggy. And if that fails, his energy hands save him by being graspy hands, which would benefit from Buffa's Desire Amp of Shigaraki's stats. His resistance to decon should allow him many more tries to return up to Shigaraki's mass.

Nice tidbit tho. Unfortunately, couldn't find it at all for the life of me (and yea, the video in question was unavailable).

As for the rivet stabs, it might actually backfire to use them as platforms or even touch them, considering Shigaraki can just decay the tendril. But even if you want to say he never did that in canon, Shiggy isn't an idiot, he'll immediately stop spamming them if Buffa somehow turns them against him.
Don't really mind it as a possible move, tho his vines could wrap around them to allow safe passage. But his resistance to decon should be more than enough.

Edit: added scans for the people too lazy to look over his profile, so they don't think I'm making stuff up.
Lol.
Usually I give people the benefit of the doubt, so it is fine. I linked scans for shit that's available for me to showcase, too.
 
Isn’t Buffa only Relatvistic + here rn
Remember: Spark.

Well that at least alerts of him of any potential surprises that seemingly happen out of nowhere and that combined with his ability to predict an opponent capable of blitzing him several times over is gonna help him out a lot here.
I made sure to remove any possible form amps, so there won't be any blitzing here. I figure the fight would be relatively straightforward as is.
 
Remember: Spark.


I made sure to remove any possible form amps, so there won't be any blitzing here. I figure the fight would be relatively straightforward as is.
My point is that Shiggy can basically read his movements like a book considering he could do it to someone who was so absurdly faster than him that he couldn't even perceive him and would have still managed to clobber Izuku if Gearshift didn't remove inertia from the equation entirely.
 
I'm not really seeing why Shiggy would still be able to use his extra limbs upon any form of contact with Buffa's arsenal.
Well, when I said full body control, I meant it. Shigaraki's body constantly grows, adapts, evolves to find the perfect form depending on his situation.

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For example;
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When he was outnumbered, had his powers nullified, and got his ass handed to him, he sprouted these giant finger-tentacles and covered the entire flying coffin they were fighting in to control the flow of the fight, separate his opponents, restrict their mobility, and immediately gave himself the upper hand.

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When he got poisoned, he spat the venom out of his body and sprouted these giant finger-tentacles with giant mouths to spit the venom out from his main body, and back at the guy who poisoned him.

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When his finger tentacles were getting dismantled and he was taking a lot of damage, he took on a defensive form, creating reinforced hands all over his body to act as armor, and started tanking everything.

Honestly I don't think there's a reason to believe that the guy who can control his own flesh, constantly adapt and change his own body to match his environment, and do all of this WHILE being under the effects of a power-nullifying ability... for whatever reason can't adapt to his muscles relaxing and going numb.

Firstly, the scan does show that he still got affected by it for a small moment. So anything and everything the poi-zom has would already be applied to him by the time it enters his system
I don't think it does? He spat out the poison and sprouted giant tentacles while laughing at Suneater's audacity the very same moment he got stung. Also, this was a quirkless Shigaraki, this flesh manipulation and body control stuff is just his natural thing. Buffa would have an incredibly hard time landing hits on the guy when he can...

Predict the movements of people who are too fast for him to perceive.
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Adapt to become fast enough to keep up with guys who are not just normally faster than him in their base form, but are also using several blitz amps to become even faster.
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AND he can become fast enough to catch the SAME guy off-guard despite him having a form of precognition (Danger Sense) on top of his speed amps.

(Even if Buffa matches this speed instantly, he's still gonna struggle keeping up considering Shigaraki also snatches away Danger Sense)

And also use an ability that allows him to track someone's very soul and constantly scan them for weaknesses (Search).
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If Buffa also grows to match his increasing stats, Shigaraki can take advantage of this by nerfing his own AP while severely buffing his durability, so Buffa would be pretty much invulnerable to physical attacks, while being significantly weaker in physicality. This scenario would be perfect for Shigaraki to either decay him or take away his abilities.

Even his mouth things are able to spit them out, the acidic part can still damage him as they try to get them out, while the effects of the poi-zom would kick in with or without the poison itself as long as it has been administered already.
I full heartedly disagree that the acid is gonna do any real damage, but even if it does, it's not something that would negate his regeneration, so Shigaraki would heal before even taking any significant damage. And the effects aren't really gonna do much either, since Shigaraki would either cover himself in his finger-tentacles to shed a new body (that also generates a massive explosion btw, could be useful to push Buffa away), or he'll just morph into the flesh fortress and shed safely inside there, while cutting off any other parts of his flesh that have been contaminated.

Secondly, they aren't just stings, they can vary from that to whole ass slashes. Coupled by the fact a chainsaw can rip and tear through flesh rather easily, he'd have a harder time dealing with the poi-zom, especially since the part that's ripped apart wouldn't be able to grow mouths while it's being shredded.
He wouldn't be able to have any interaction with any part of Shigaraki's flesh APART from his main body.

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These giant tentacles? They're 100% fingers, each of them can use Decay, so even touching them is gonna be insta-death. And the decay can transfer from the chainsaw to Buffa's body. If he even stands on it? Dead. His vines touch those things? Dead. And if you're wondering how Mirko is standing on the tentacle in the scan, it's because Shigaraki's powers were disabled, including Decay.

(Or if Decay doesn't work, All For One can snatch his resistance away)

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Same goes for the flesh fortress btw. All of that can spread Decay under normal circumstances. Shigaraki is effectively untouchable in this form.

Shedding may work if it hasn't spread to the 'new' parts of Shigaraki's body. Otherwise, the effect would still persist. It does have the problem where those new parts are wide open for stray vines or some other attacks Buffa can dish out. So there's that.
If the effect can only be spread through the vines, Shigaraki would know this via his "Search" ability reading Buffa's weakness. He'd just spam those arm tentacles or whip out the flesh fortress and he's effectively immune to getting touched.

Problem is, his resistance extends to the energy hands and vines, since those as well as other equipments from Geats are able to trade blows with the chainsword and left-hand gauntlet. Cutting the vines via other means are fair game.
If you mean his deconstruction resistance, I don't know if it applies here, considering he gets the resistance from resisting poison? I don't quite understand the justification or the clip on his profile. But either way, I don't think the vines are gonna able to attach themselves without getting blasted away by an Air Cannon.

Another thing I noticed is the deconstruction and other resistances are based on biological manipulation? If his powers and resistances are biological, then Shigaraki would actually be able to steal those abilities and use them for himself.

Buffa (and other Geats Riders)'s regen neg are simply just regen neg. Their attacks can just negate the regeneration without any further explanation. They didn't alway have this at first, since they initially couldn't kill off the Jyamato Riders that could regen from becoming ash (Kamen Rider finishers usually do not leave traces of the enemy save for dust I guess), until they could. So yea, even a slice can be dangerous since you can't regen that injured area anymore, though Shigaraki still has a fighting chance as long as his really vital parts aren't hit. And I'm not sure how this interacts with him shedding his old body for his new one.
Interesting. Seems rather ineffective against the flesh fortress, but I wouldn't count on him getting close considering Shigaraki would absolutely try to range-spam him off the bat. Even if he gets close, the regen negation would have to be his first move because Shiggy's immediate response to being in a slightly disadvantageous position is spamming an infinite mass of hands.

Buffa should scale to Geats' DC, where the latter can explode two gigantic enemies on separate occasions. Both monsters are type 2 in size at their max peak (since the latter monster can grow in size).
Interesting. But the first one would be unlikely, as Shigaraki would immediately swat him out of the sky or blast him away with a Heavy Payload Air Cannon, and the second one seems to take a while to charge up.

As for the air cannon, his vines should be able to wrap around any available part of Shiggy. And if that fails, his energy hands save him by being graspy hands, which would benefit from Buffa's Desire Amp of Shigaraki's stats. His resistance to decon should allow him many more tries to return up to Shigaraki's mass.
Again, not so sure about the vines helping his maneuverability considering Shigaraki's spammable range options. But even if he resists Decay, he's gonna have a hard time making it up the mass without getting his power snatched.
 
Could someone do a quick recap? Theres a ton of static and scans being thrown and I don’t feel like making an argument that’s already been said
 
Finally got some free time to read some of the things in this thread. I just wanna point out some things.

While Danger Sense would alert Shiggy, Michi is just as skilled as Ace. You guys know how skilled he is. Number crunching trillions of calculations, predicting the skipped time, yeah. So Shiggy being able to predict movements from faster foes really won’t be effective against’s Michi’s raw battle IQ. If you want me to go in detail, I can.

Another thing I wanna point out is if Rider powers are biological. Yes and no. Some aspects like Michi’s plant Hax is bio, while his Rider Power as a whole, is conceptual. Look at the Rider Physiology for more info. Rider Powers have been stolen before but that was through like, layered time/plot Hax
 
A few things to add on to what Berries said:

- Kamen Riders also aren't new to battling people that can see time in slow motion. Kamen Rider Horobi as well as other AI riders can see basically 5 seconds as hours and Buffa already scales.

- Kamen Rider explosions can blow up a huge chunk of whatever it is hitting. For example, Geats can blow up a flying fortress that is Kaiju sized just by kicking through it.

- Buffa's acid is not just acid, it's also a deconstruction that can melt things into a pile of goo.
 
Just as a side note, Kamen Rider's favorite thing is speed blitzes nowadays. We had 9 seasons in a row that has a character use or fought against speed blitzes. The newest favorite subject on KR though is precognition. From seeing the future to, just as berries said, out predicting quantum supercomputers that can process trillions of timelines in less than a second.
 
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