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GRACE [8-0-0] Greatest Boxer Ever vs. Pay 1 Take 3 (Joe Yabuki vs MCU's Moon Knight)

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MK is at its second key
They'll be at a Minecraft Superflat World, no-construction seed, 2m apart.

Joe: noninho, Ebihara, Rikimarox2, Tonygameman, Daeggman, MannyQ361, Pyro9278, NotoriouSoda

Marc, Steven and Jake:

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Taskmaster ******* skillstomps him into oblivion. Like, Joe is literally not landing a single hit on him lmao.
 
Yall really undermining how fast Joe adapts to stuff and that he also learns while battling and has bested opponents stronger than him

And the fact that he negs Taskmaster's Analytical Prediction

And the higher LS that he has (diff is not big but still)

And that Taskmaster has no answer to being scared to hell by Joe's mere sight

And that Joe's resistant to Pain, like a whole lot

Give my man some credit! Joe and Taskmaster are not that far to each other skillwise and Joe is also a hell of a adapter on the fly while Taskmaster is scared AF and usually relies on knowing anything about the guy, while people way less intelligent than Joe explored his weakness to "too much style variation". Afterimage, Precog, Perception Manip, Damage boosted by opponent's own attack
Y'all not reading Joe's profile or really undermining him to hell
 
noninho said:
Yall really undermining how fast Joe adapts to stuff and that he also learns while battling and has bested opponents stronger than him
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noninho said:
And that Joe's resistant to Pain, like a whole lot
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Worthless against a single tap of pressure point. Or a single a punch due to the AP difference.

noninho said:
And the fact that he negs Taskmaster's Analytical Prediction
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The gargantuan difference of level is enough to neg his resistance. You're talking about a guy who's borderline a Supergenius in combat, dude.

noninho said:
And the higher LS that he has (diff is not big but still)
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He should have Class K due to DD scaling.

noninho said:
Give my man some credit! Joe and Taskmaster are not that far to each other skillwise
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A skilled boxer vs A guy who mastered all martial arts in the world, virtually all weapons with a precision that rivals Bullseye's supernatural's precision that defies physics and logic, masters individual fighting styles by just watching, and constantly envolves with each strike, has Daredevil/Spider-man levels of acrobatics. Yeah, totally same level.
 
Tomfer said:
A skilled boxer vs A guy who [...]
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The thing is that Joe is not just good at boxing he was one of the best in the world, who before even getting a second of training has beaten up an entire police station, who became that level in skill by improving his style and copying those who he fights on the fly to a level where more than once (almost every fight, actually) every single person who saw him fight claimed that it should not be possible for him to win due to having like days to prepare against someone who's training for years! Like, on his first match the difference between when he was beaten with a single punch by the guy and beating the same guy was less than a week and using an advanced technique that he saw being done only once (pretty much like a certain Taskmaster we're also talking about)!
That's not mentioning how big is his learning on the fly who also included some big **** that really look like Taskmaster's way to do stuff

Tomfer said:
The gargantuan difference of level is enough to neg his resistance. You're talking about a guy who's borderline a Supergenius in combat, dude.
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IMO Joe should get a level pretty similar due to his training and fighting style, but also this should be tagged with "possibly Limited resistance negation" if so.


Tomfer said:
He should have Class K due to DD scaling.
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Then the profile should get updated
Well, imma get another Brawler then.
 
MK can get impaled by three to four iron spears and keep fighting, and has range with throwing crescent darts
 
Emerald said:
MK can get impaled by three to four iron spears and keep fighting, and has range with throwing crescent darts
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Joe also should be dead from various opportunities, including the end where some call him dead supposedly from around the 2nd to last round
And is faster than MK, besides trendously more skilled
I'd bet he has a larger chance to outlast MK than the other way around.

DivineAura44 said:
Weird way to spell Ippo Makunouchi
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Ippo has no way of doing anything to Joe, last time I checked
 
What does Joe have that can put Moon Knight down, exactly? They're comparable in AP, so punches aren't really going to do much against his Low-Mid regeneration.
 
Da3ggman said:
They're comparable in AP
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You sure? MK seems to have a big AP advantage actually.

Anyways, Immortality + Regen gg. Joe's punches won't do much damage, and the little damage it does, will get healed. Yeah, MK might not touch Joe due to the enormous skill difference, but he'll win the stamina fight eventually and get ripped by the AP + LS advantage.
 
Da3ggman said:
What does Joe have that can put Moon Knight down, exactly?
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Lots and lots of techniques and adaptation to whatever he's facing. Also Duraneg.

Da3ggman said:
They're comparable in AP, so punches aren't really going to do much against his Low-Mid regeneration.
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Regen takes Stamina to happen, they're both very amazing at that and are reasonable that one side will outlast the other, I'm just pretty sure it's Joe because of the huuuuuuge skill gap

Tomfer said:
You sure? MK seems to have a big AP advantage actually.
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Not quite that much.
12,528,790.3655 J vs 2,315,636.73 J
Exactly 5,4407456067

Not enough to one-shot and Joe's pain tolerance is stupid good

Tomfer said:
Anyways, Immortality + Regen gg.
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Not infinite Stamina + duraneg + severe outspeed + tremendous outskill gg.

Tomfer said:
will get healed.
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Up until certain point, yeah

Tomfer said:
Yeah, MK might not touch Joe due to the enormous skill difference, but he'll win the stamina fight eventually and get ripped by the AP + LS advantage.
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And won't touch him because of outspeed. Also, tremendous mistake to undermine Joe's tolerance to pain and Stamina itself, besides the effect duraneg has on Stamina together with trying to tag someone immensely faster than ya

Da3ggman said:
Damn, really? I kind of assumed OP would've at least made that fair. In any case, Moon Knight FRA
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Unfortunately the calc is misplaced on the profile. It could get some rewriting, I just don't have the time rn.
It's the last link on the speed section, the only AP calc I recall rn and he's upscaling a lot in comparison to it.
Still voting MK?
 
noninho said:
Lots and lots of techniques and adaptation to whatever he's facing. Also Duraneg.
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This doesn't help against his regeneration at all. If I can regrow my arm, and you slice it off with a durability negating sword, that doesn't stop me from regrowing it; you need regeneration nullification.
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Regen takes Stamina to happen, they're both very amazing at that and are reasonable that one side will outlast the other, I'm just pretty sure it's Joe because of the huuuuuuge skill gap
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Moon Knight literally kept fighting with giant ass spikes impaling him and his internal organs. Unless Joe is pulling some Baki shit and still fighting with literally holes in his chest, he probably doesn't out-stamina him.
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Not quite that much.
12,528,790.3655 J vs 2,315,636.73 J
Exactly 5,4407456067
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A 5.5x difference is massive, dude. Like, genuinely, Moon Knight needs to hit him twice, while Joe needs to hit him God knows how many times in order to get through the AP difference + regeneration + better stamina.
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Not enough to one-shot and Joe's pain tolerance is stupid good
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It's enough to two shot him. Hell, if MK gets a shot on his head, there's a good chance it's splitting his skull in two.
noninho said:
Not infinite Stamina
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Neither does Joe, and MK likely has better stamina based on the feats presented.
noninho said:
duraneg
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Won't really help him unless it allows him to cleave Moon Knight in two. Also, I just checked Joe's page, and it doesn't look like he has that on there? Unless I'm blind or something.
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severe outspeed + tremendous outskill gg.
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These only get him so far against a brick wall like MK, who again, needs to hit him at most twice to win.
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Still voting MK?
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Yeah.

Oh, also, I checked their Lifting Strengths, and Moon Knight has a massive advantage there as well, being a whopping 48x stronger. If he manages to grab Joe once, he just kinda wins via crushing him like a can of soda.
 
Da3ggman said:
This doesn't help against his regeneration at all. If I can regrow my arm, and you slice it off with a durability negating sword, that doesn't stop me from regrowing it; you need regeneration nullification.
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This helps draining ur Stamina, and very fast.
His main feat was being impaled by 4 lances and still keep fighting, while they were just immense piercing damage, for sure besides his AP capabilities. Imagine being hit and reacted to by someone who's absurdly faster than you (baseline Subsonic vs 1074m/s = 31,3x faster!!!!!), every single one of them by someone who wasn't a world champion by points, who learns by the second how to be even better... yeah, not at all easy and fine.

Da3ggman said:
Unless Joe is pulling some Baki shit and still fighting with literally holes in his chest, he probably doesn't out-stamina him.
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Joe can put several dents in his Stamina
MK can't hit him at all.

"Nuh uh".

Da3ggman said:
A 5.5x difference is massive, dude. Like, genuinely, Moon Knight needs to hit him twice
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Just for your information: that is not how this works. Not just by this case where we're dealing with pain tolerance and etc, it's simply that 7x is OHK to out standards and other values like 5.5x is a diff to be argued about
It isn't "5.5x2=11, 11>7 therefore 2 hits kill".
If I got u wrong and this ia not what you meant, I'm sorry.

Da3ggman said:
It's enough to two shot him. Hell, if MK gets a shot on his head, there's a good chance it's splitting his skull in two.
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100% kill due to the LS diff, but Joe is 31x faster, so no.

Da3ggman said:
Won't really help him unless it allows him to cleave Moon Knight in two. Also, I just checked Joe's page, and it doesn't look like he has that on there? Unless I'm blind or something.
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Ig it got removed or I just got something wrong at one time. Sorry.
Point still stands that he's messing up the guy and no, it's not just severing him that will end him

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Yeah.

Oh, also, I checked their Lifting Strengths, and Moon Knight has a massive advantage there as well, being a whopping 48x stronger. If he manages to grab Joe once, he just kinda wins via crushing him like a can of soda.
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Can't deny you from voting him

Won't happen to Joe cuz 31x faster, intimidation, precog and perception manip, so I'm voting Joe.
 
noninho said:
Ty for the input
If possible to call others here, I'd appreciate (already bothered who I could lol)
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i dont really know anyone :( but always feel free to ask me for input/votes on matches (no tier 1)
 
Oh yeah, forgot about this thread. In hindsight, with speed unequalized, a 31x speed gap with the massive skill gap would probably allow Joe to eventually win the war of attrition over Moon Knight in the end. Joe FRA.
 
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