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Good lord. In this thread, everything that follows in REFERENCES has already been accepted by multiple staff.
Also, reference the thread in the first link. Reference these for a quick summary.
If venom increased the physical attributes of Miles, then Rhino needing an entire suit that nullifies venom would be irrelevant since the force transfer would be equal regardless of whether electricity could flow or not. Plus, in terms of science, venom wouldn't and shouldn't have any mass.
This game has a stupid way of handling Rhino. They think when he takes a knee after being staggered, his durability drops by 70%. Proof? You literally are not allowed to harm him unless he's stunned. Peter stuns him by dropping concrete pipes on him, which allows him to beat up Rhino's armor. Miles makes Rhino run into a wall (something he literally did multiple times in the first Rhino fight in SM:MM, and he also ran through a massive exploding gas container, both with no damage), and this allows him to stun him and punch off Rhino's new armor with his bare physicals. Keep in mind that Rhino casually throws and runs through tanks in this fight (which are obliterated on impact) to understand how stupid that is.
Miles does all this work of harming Rhino (who admits they're surface wounds) to destroy his armor so he can hit him with venom strikes. Well, the obvious logic states that if Miles could destroy Rhino's armor and give him light wounds with just his physicals, yet Rhino's suit completely nullified venom powers, then Miles's strikes with venom only add extra energy, not force. That being said, Miles doesn't physically scale from any of his venom attacks because since he is immune to his own abilities and generally resistant to electricity, from his perspective, he's basically still using normal attacks, which are transferring stronger external energy.
This is shown here where Miles barely touches Kraven with venom, but he goes flying like Rhino just bulldozed him. We also see it in his fight with Li where he's unable to be harmed physically unless venom is involved. It is also shown when Miles's punch does nothing to Sandman, but venom blows a hole in his chest, and throwing large objects like building chunks causes visible damage.
You can argue here that Sandman's composition is what prevents them from doing damage with physical strikes, but both Spider-men can smash through concrete and harm people who can easily smash through steel with their strikes. Assuming Sandman is literally just walking Sandstone, his density values, on average, will be weaker than these materials on average. However, since he is greatly impacted by water, which means he's permeable and not a molecularly-bonded solid, he's simply just tightly compacted sand, which would be less dense than sandstone. This would only be an issue of surface area, not AP.
The Sinister Six needs to go back to their previous rating because I absolutely disagree with the current 8-A rating, which is based on Rhino or backscaling current Li, and that change was specifically argued against in the CRT linked in the references section.
References
At the beginning of the game, Miles casually does this feat, which sets the tone for the rest of the game's scaling. Low 7-C is 1.3x this value.Also, reference the thread in the first link. Reference these for a quick summary.
New Modifications
One of the things I originally said was, "His body can withstand the force of his venom attacks; therefore, his durability is equal." I believe this is wrong.If venom increased the physical attributes of Miles, then Rhino needing an entire suit that nullifies venom would be irrelevant since the force transfer would be equal regardless of whether electricity could flow or not. Plus, in terms of science, venom wouldn't and shouldn't have any mass.
This game has a stupid way of handling Rhino. They think when he takes a knee after being staggered, his durability drops by 70%. Proof? You literally are not allowed to harm him unless he's stunned. Peter stuns him by dropping concrete pipes on him, which allows him to beat up Rhino's armor. Miles makes Rhino run into a wall (something he literally did multiple times in the first Rhino fight in SM:MM, and he also ran through a massive exploding gas container, both with no damage), and this allows him to stun him and punch off Rhino's new armor with his bare physicals. Keep in mind that Rhino casually throws and runs through tanks in this fight (which are obliterated on impact) to understand how stupid that is.
Miles does all this work of harming Rhino (who admits they're surface wounds) to destroy his armor so he can hit him with venom strikes. Well, the obvious logic states that if Miles could destroy Rhino's armor and give him light wounds with just his physicals, yet Rhino's suit completely nullified venom powers, then Miles's strikes with venom only add extra energy, not force. That being said, Miles doesn't physically scale from any of his venom attacks because since he is immune to his own abilities and generally resistant to electricity, from his perspective, he's basically still using normal attacks, which are transferring stronger external energy.
This is shown here where Miles barely touches Kraven with venom, but he goes flying like Rhino just bulldozed him. We also see it in his fight with Li where he's unable to be harmed physically unless venom is involved. It is also shown when Miles's punch does nothing to Sandman, but venom blows a hole in his chest, and throwing large objects like building chunks causes visible damage.
You can argue here that Sandman's composition is what prevents them from doing damage with physical strikes, but both Spider-men can smash through concrete and harm people who can easily smash through steel with their strikes. Assuming Sandman is literally just walking Sandstone, his density values, on average, will be weaker than these materials on average. However, since he is greatly impacted by water, which means he's permeable and not a molecularly-bonded solid, he's simply just tightly compacted sand, which would be less dense than sandstone. This would only be an issue of surface area, not AP.
What this means
People who can take Venom strikes would scale their durability to its AP (maybe?) I'm not sure how energy vs force transfers work to say someone has X level of AP because they withstood strong electricity.Removals
The Sinister Six needs to go back to their previous rating because I absolutely disagree with the current 8-A rating, which is based on Rhino or backscaling current Li, and that change was specifically argued against in the CRT linked in the references section.
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